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Old 11th Mar 2013, 08:19
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They only thing they understand is delays.

Go work overtime, get the aircraft out on time, pat yourself on the back and watch them sack you or your fellow colleagues.
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 08:21
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Can I answer with a question?

WTF would the work be completed if Qantas kind find enough boys to work the needed overtime?
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 08:24
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Or dont work overtime, show the company that they cant even keep the operation working, even without forced redundancies. And then maybe, just maybe they might have to question their numbers!
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 08:28
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A the end of the day mate, everybody has to make their own choice. However the only way to make progress here is to ensure Qantas knows you exist. That means they absolutely need to feel it when you are not there regardless of the need for overtime. If one fails on that point you lose everything.

It is very simple Ewan and if your butt can't stop twitching, plug it until this is all over.
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 09:02
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Like I said,go and talk to Brissy Heavy guys.If they do no O/T, planes goes out late,lose the work,lose their jobs.I am not twitching ABAT.Seen it all before.The only ones twitching are the bully boys who are about to lose their Qantas"job for life".Make hay while the sun shines I say.
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 09:12
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It's the past that was destroyed that has caused the current problems of today. NEVER FORGET!!!

Ain't that the truth. Those who ignore the errors of the past are destined to repeat those same errors going forward into the future. Just look at the havoc that Geoff, James, the Wespac chick, Alan, and the polka dotted tie wearing engineering clown have wreaked on the once fine Flag carrier to drag it down to a shadow of its former self.
It's a far cry from the place it was when I did my B707, JT3D, and Extension "A" E & I training there in the 70s.
Good luck to ya all, hang tough, and fight the good fight.
Regards, Big E.
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 09:20
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I would say 99% of the guys on my crew don't believe it is going to make 1 ounce of difference in saving most of the jobs.
My guess is that these are the blokes who happily come in to work O/T.

Quite the opposite,if no one does O/T,would the bean counters not look at that port/work area,and deem that they must be overstaffed.
EWANQF I don't quite follow your logic here. To my reckoning if no O/T was performed there would be less available man hours to acquit maintenance thereby creating backlogs. With people working O/T the available man-hours increase allowing more maintenance to be acquitted. The net result is more aircraft available to the airline. I fail to see how not being able to acquit scheduled maintenance means that a section is overstaffed.

And no,I am not burying my head in the sand,this is the new reality,things are changing rapidly and even if the engineering is being run into the ground,there really is nothing you can do.(ie they shut the bloody airline down last time it got tough...don't you remember)
So you'd just rather throw your hands up in the air and give up? "It's too hard..I can't do it.." You may very well be right in that there's not much we can do but why make any easier for them than it should be?

Its time to move on 1me,no one outside of QANTAS really cares about working in the rain at 2am during winter.You chose this industry,I chose this industry.I am going to stick with it as long as I can.And if that means adapting to change,then that is what I will do.
If you read my post then you will find that that is exactly what I'm saying.. nobody cares but us! Adapting to change is one thing EWANQF but to me that doesn't include working O/T when the company is going to push good people out the door under the premise that we are overstaffed!

Will we see you at the meeting on Wednesday?
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 09:38
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Originally Posted by silverado
Or dont work overtime, show the company that they cant even keep the operation working, even without forced redundancies. And then maybe, just maybe they might have to question their numbers!
or maybe just call it ineffective and shut it down.
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Romulus, once again, you are one of the few who can wade through the sh1t and put a realistic view on things.
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Well I guess I left in this VR for the right reasons. I could see what was going to happen and did not want to be a part of it. They are dividing and conquering, they have got the internal bickering going.
Am so glad to have walked away and saw none of it because without doubt this crap is going to ruin careers and most of all, the friendships that are made when you work with guys 20+ years.
Remember that is much easier to beat a team of individuals than it is to beat a team of players!
Stick together guys and remember many of you will be around a lot longer than any of the management.
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 10:14
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1me,this airline has 120+ jets.They will shuffle the oustanding work around the network and it will get done with or without O/T.You wont even realise you are doing it.Like I said,good blokes will lose their job and that is sad but hey maybe we are overstaffed,with full MOD around the corner,blokes clambering over each other for B1 training you must be naive to believe the current LAME numbers are going to stay the same.Hey here is an idea,say no to any future aircraft B1 type training .That will save more jobs than people not doin O/T.Union reps take note.Make a stand and show your fellows LAMES how its done.
Knock the training back............I know they or you couldnt do......could you.
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 10:29
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Hey here is an idea,say no to any future aircraft B1 type training
yeah good luck with that, we all know what you greasers are like.
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Romulus your point about being ineffective and shutting it down, I hope you are not onto something there.

But the way things are, we might be playing the game they want us to play. A workforce resistant to the change they want ,its too hard for them. So they bring in the third party provider, the only qantas paid engineers will be the guys in MOC and tech services.

I do remember Uncle Geoff telling us a few years ago that there were 100,000 chinese engineers who would love to do our work.

He had a way with words, so inspirational.

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Old 11th Mar 2013, 10:55
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They can't just outsource your current jobs.
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 10:59
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Given their recent track record, I bet they would give it a go anyway.
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 11:11
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Bingo Superlame!
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 11:18
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Originally Posted by another superlame
the only qantas paid engineers will be the guys in MOC and tech services
Why would you keep them?
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 11:19
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Originally Posted by fedsec
They can't just outsource your current jobs.
Why not?

Happens every day in businesses around the country, aviation is no different.
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 11:20
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Can't outsource our jobs.WTF is Brissy heavy then?And while I am now on something Fedsec,nice QANTAS tie up with the EK hub for the 380 maintenance happening as we speak.You know it is going to happen.

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Old 11th Mar 2013, 11:36
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Why not?

Happens every day in businesses around the country, aviation is no different.
Romulus, have a look in the EBA..

And EWANQF you haven't answered my question.. will you be attending the meeting on Wednesday?
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