Qantas Engineering redundances - Advice required!!!
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I wonder if the A380 w@nkers that have been ca$hing in on the OT will be game to show their faces at the union meeting on Wednesday? Then again, it doesn't really affect them being a protected species and they obviously don't care what happens to other members further down the food chain. We even had a whole crew shamelessly show up for OT in Base the other day. I hope all members are giving them the reception they deserve and will all remember them into the future.
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How do you expect our a380 heros to not do overtime when
The AME union rep in base is doing the maximum amount possible?
Pretty piss poor the amount of solidarity shown by some.
Exactly how does doing heaps of OT and helping CN get rid of people seem like a good idea? I suppose when you know you are safe, you don't need to give a f**k
about anyone else do you. May as well make yourself look good to management and make a load of coin to boot eh
What I love is you don't talk to these ----'s when they are on your crew because
You don't want to say something you will regret, now they are getting upset because we are not talking to them!! Harden up ladies!
When this is over people will have plenty to say to you.
Looking forward to Wednesday meeting
Great picture bug a lugs
The AME union rep in base is doing the maximum amount possible?
Pretty piss poor the amount of solidarity shown by some.
Exactly how does doing heaps of OT and helping CN get rid of people seem like a good idea? I suppose when you know you are safe, you don't need to give a f**k
about anyone else do you. May as well make yourself look good to management and make a load of coin to boot eh
What I love is you don't talk to these ----'s when they are on your crew because
You don't want to say something you will regret, now they are getting upset because we are not talking to them!! Harden up ladies!
When this is over people will have plenty to say to you.
Looking forward to Wednesday meeting
Great picture bug a lugs
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Solidarity. Wow what a strong word. There has never been total solidarity at base, never. Don't expect it to start now. What the place does have though is a very short memory. This is the first time that base is really feeling threatened, most other times when VR/CR was happening base was the protected species doing the OT. Speak to any ex HM person, I am sure they will remember the solidarity shown for them.
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Bootstrap1, there has never been solidarity anywhere in QANTAS. It's always been the case that if your section is not in trouble, who gives a rats? Now that the axe is swinging through all sections, the anal sphincter muscles are working O/T. I never expect anyone to have my back or look out for me. Been burnt with that misconception in the past.
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That's a strange bit of advice. It's the past that was destroyed that has caused the current problems of today moving well into the future. NEVER FORGET!!!
The O/T issue is but one of many issues that need to be addressed. Not the primary or only one. The direction of the company needs to be addressed. This isn't going to happen with "unofficial O/T bans". This is only going to happen with a change of the board, and there's only 11 to go.
CASA, unions and even the government aren't going to change where QANTAS is going. Our tie-up with Emirates is making sure we will not expand, but contract. Our retiring of the 747and 767 fleet is helping this also. Updating outdated 767's to HNL but not increasing capacity is doing nothing to expand QANTAS's routes. Pulling out of FRA is not helping either. Making Asia a destination and not a transit hub isn't helping to expand. Dropping BKK doesn't help.
What's the answer? It's complicated, but a change of the the QF board and upper management is a start. NOT reintroducing Dixon and co. is also of great benefit. A management team made up of QANTAS people who look past their five year tenure, and aren't solely focussed on investors returns, not that there's been any for the last five years or so. QANTAS at the moment is run very similarly to the current Federal Government. They will push things through to meet their own needs, can't make a decision on their own without having outside consultancy groups making their decisions for them, and EVERYTHING comes down to the dollar. They have no hesitation in blowing money on wrong aircraft types and marketing. This is all done without accountability, but when it comes to spending money on the right equipment and aircraft, it all needs a business case and committee meetings to justify it, and even then in most cases it will be rejected.
If "unofficial O/T bans" is the best we've got, then we're stuffed well and truly. All those that have had a sudden desire to spend more time with their families, will have all the time they can handle in the not-too-distant future.
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Getting all upset about the past could destroy your future.
The O/T issue is but one of many issues that need to be addressed. Not the primary or only one. The direction of the company needs to be addressed. This isn't going to happen with "unofficial O/T bans". This is only going to happen with a change of the board, and there's only 11 to go.
CASA, unions and even the government aren't going to change where QANTAS is going. Our tie-up with Emirates is making sure we will not expand, but contract. Our retiring of the 747and 767 fleet is helping this also. Updating outdated 767's to HNL but not increasing capacity is doing nothing to expand QANTAS's routes. Pulling out of FRA is not helping either. Making Asia a destination and not a transit hub isn't helping to expand. Dropping BKK doesn't help.
What's the answer? It's complicated, but a change of the the QF board and upper management is a start. NOT reintroducing Dixon and co. is also of great benefit. A management team made up of QANTAS people who look past their five year tenure, and aren't solely focussed on investors returns, not that there's been any for the last five years or so. QANTAS at the moment is run very similarly to the current Federal Government. They will push things through to meet their own needs, can't make a decision on their own without having outside consultancy groups making their decisions for them, and EVERYTHING comes down to the dollar. They have no hesitation in blowing money on wrong aircraft types and marketing. This is all done without accountability, but when it comes to spending money on the right equipment and aircraft, it all needs a business case and committee meetings to justify it, and even then in most cases it will be rejected.
If "unofficial O/T bans" is the best we've got, then we're stuffed well and truly. All those that have had a sudden desire to spend more time with their families, will have all the time they can handle in the not-too-distant future.
Well said QF94 I agree.
No one has your back except yourself and maybe 1 or 2 close workmates. Unless that is you are part of one of the many cliques that this place has and then your are truly on your own.
No one has your back except yourself and maybe 1 or 2 close workmates. Unless that is you are part of one of the many cliques that this place has and then your are truly on your own.
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When this is all said and done and the pages of history have gathered the dusts of time, who will remember what we did or achieved?
It certainly won't be the general public. Whilst they may cast a disapproving eye towards the callous and calculated actions of the select few, they remain opiated by the market that controls them. Cheap fares and a good safety record soothes and lulls the masses.
It certainly won't be the politicians who can see only as far as the next election and are too busy pandering to the bleatings of vocal minorities and big business to care about such trivial matters as air safety and the loss of local expertise and industry.
Will it be the unions who seem unable put aside biases and personal agenda's to work together and present a united front? Or will this battle be too painful a reminder of their impotence and discord?
No..
The one's who will remember will be us my friends; the engineers. The guys and girls who sweated it out through the height of Australian summers and froze our bums off through the chilliest of winters. The people who were out there at 2am changing engines with the rain blowing sideways; our fingers so numb we could barely grip our spanners.
It will be those guys who endured the same tasks for days on end as they slowly disassembled and reassembled aircraft undergoing heavy maintenance checks; perfecting their craft so as to achieve benchmark turn-times.
It will be those who fought deadlines and nil stock situations, strategy maps and LEAN processes to try and get the aircraft to serviceability and meet schedule.
It will be the one's who overhauled engines ensuring that IFSD rates were the lowest in the world and who devised processes and repair schemes that even the manufacturers would adopt.
It will be all those who missed out on spending quality time and celebrating significant moments with their friends and family.
In short it will be us.. We will remember when no-one else does.
It certainly won't be the general public. Whilst they may cast a disapproving eye towards the callous and calculated actions of the select few, they remain opiated by the market that controls them. Cheap fares and a good safety record soothes and lulls the masses.
It certainly won't be the politicians who can see only as far as the next election and are too busy pandering to the bleatings of vocal minorities and big business to care about such trivial matters as air safety and the loss of local expertise and industry.
Will it be the unions who seem unable put aside biases and personal agenda's to work together and present a united front? Or will this battle be too painful a reminder of their impotence and discord?
No..
The one's who will remember will be us my friends; the engineers. The guys and girls who sweated it out through the height of Australian summers and froze our bums off through the chilliest of winters. The people who were out there at 2am changing engines with the rain blowing sideways; our fingers so numb we could barely grip our spanners.
It will be those guys who endured the same tasks for days on end as they slowly disassembled and reassembled aircraft undergoing heavy maintenance checks; perfecting their craft so as to achieve benchmark turn-times.
It will be those who fought deadlines and nil stock situations, strategy maps and LEAN processes to try and get the aircraft to serviceability and meet schedule.
It will be the one's who overhauled engines ensuring that IFSD rates were the lowest in the world and who devised processes and repair schemes that even the manufacturers would adopt.
It will be all those who missed out on spending quality time and celebrating significant moments with their friends and family.
In short it will be us.. We will remember when no-one else does.
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I seem to recall our union defending a certain LAME in Brissy over being harassed and intimidated by a QANTAS manager.Will my union defend me if I am harassed and intimidated by my work colleagues for doing a small amount of overtime?....Steve.....??.(yeah I know,I know,look at the big picture.And when I ask my union rep to explain what the "big picture" is he can't)
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EWANQF:
How about you grow some mate?? We're not in kindergarten here. If you want to do O/T (along with "the other anal sphincter muscles working O/T"-to quote QF94) then that's your choice..
How about you grow some mate?? We're not in kindergarten here. If you want to do O/T (along with "the other anal sphincter muscles working O/T"-to quote QF94) then that's your choice..
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Well if its my choice to work O/T,then dont harass me.If you voted for this EBA,then you are obliged to work within it.If you want to make a stand,go for it.But dont dictate your unwanted hatred for the company to your fellow workmates. And before you start down the "whoa is me I am about to become redundant" line.I have had redundancies in the past,so dont tell me to grow some.Go and talk to any of the Heavy brothers in Brissy if you want to get a feeling of this "unoffical O/T ban".They are working more O/T than ever before.Tell them to stop working it and they will kick your arse out of that hangar,and politely remind you to mind to your own business.Hell,even the union reps are doin O/T.
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"the anal sphincter muscles are working O/T"
Maybe not quoted in the context it was intended, but yes, yes they are..
Maybe not quoted in the context it was intended, but yes, yes they are..
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Well if its my choice to work O/T,then dont harass me.
If you voted for this EBA,then you are obliged to work within it.If you want to make a stand,go for it.But dont dictate your unwanted hatred for the company to your fellow workmates.
And before you start down the "whoa is me I am about to become redundant" line.I have had redundancies in the past,so dont tell me to grow some.
Go and talk to any of the Heavy brothers in Brissy if you want to get a feeling of this "unoffical O/T ban".They are working more O/T than ever before.Tell them to stop working it and they will kick your arse out of that hangar,and politely remind you to mind to your own business.Hell,even the union reps are doin O/T.
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I seem to recall our union defending a certain LAME in Brissy over being harassed and intimidated by a QANTAS manager.Will my union defend me if I am harassed and intimidated by my work colleagues for doing a small amount of overtime?....Steve.....??.(yeah I know,I know,look at the big picture.And when I ask my union rep to explain what the "big picture" is he can't)
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1me,the only divisive and emotive issue where I am working is having to cop unofficial O/T ban "pressure" from the union/reps/workmates.I would say 99% of the guys on my crew don't believe it is going to make 1 ounce of difference in saving most of the jobs.Quite the opposite,if no one does O/T,would the bean counters not look at that port/work area,and deem that they must be overstaffed.Do you really think that doing O/T for someone who has gone sick is going to save anyones job in Sydney,now that is childish.Agreed,it is sad that people will lose their jobs,but hey people are losing their jobs in every industry daily.At least the company is offering alternative employment in Brissy Hangars,with transfer packages.The mood is changing,LAMES just want to come to work,do their job and go home.The union reps know the feelings of the LAMES in other ports outside of Sydney.And no,I am not burying my head in the sand,this is the new reality,things are changing rapidly and even if the engineering is being run into the ground,there really is nothing you can do.(ie they shut the bloody airline down last time it got tough...don't you remember).Its time to move on 1me,no one outside of QANTAS really cares about working in the rain at 2am during winter.You chose this industry,I chose this industry.I am going to stick with it as long as I can.And if that means adapting to change,then that is what I will do.
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Quite the opposite,if no one does O/T,would the bean counters not look at that port/work area,and deem that they must be overstaffed
I think you are assuming that bean counters are logical thinkers like us.
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Fedsec,so you are saying ,if the work is completed regularly with O/T or the work is completed with no O/T the end result is the same?.Flawed logic me thinks.And no I am not on anything......yet.