QANTAS - WHERE TO NOW?
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I think it will be the 'long termers' for the high jump.
Word is, they can't /won't go on performance or attendance record.
If they allow 'last on, first off' they'll lose a shed load of 330 LAME's
They want to be shut of 'redundant' licences, so they'll be fighting hard to piss the older blokes off...
Word is, they can't /won't go on performance or attendance record.
If they allow 'last on, first off' they'll lose a shed load of 330 LAME's
They want to be shut of 'redundant' licences, so they'll be fighting hard to piss the older blokes off...
If you go back to 8 and observe Qantas procedures to the letter, the company will go to FWA, claiming it is unprotected industrial action, and they will order you to cease and desist. You can count on Shortens lapdogs to do that.
The entire " Labor " government is corrupt. The Labor party should have a rule that bars any union official with less than ten years on the tools from standing as a candidate. Without that, they are just champagne socialists after money.
The entire " Labor " government is corrupt. The Labor party should have a rule that bars any union official with less than ten years on the tools from standing as a candidate. Without that, they are just champagne socialists after money.
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Sunfish I agree with every word except. They cannot claim going to an 8 is unprotected action and win. It is a right we have under our EA. They tried to stop is doing it once before in FWA and failed.
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Regardless of what shift is agreed on or whatever F Wits Australia have to say, this round of redundancies is just the first hurdle. Once the dust settles on this lot, the next will be fired at us.
It's all very well for those outside of the firing range to cast opinions and aspersions of what should or shouldn't be done, but once the engineering numbers have been dwindled to an amount that makes engineering untenable to keep, they will just shut it down.
Just remember October 2011 when the airline was shut down and there wasn't a thing anyone could do about it. Not even the government, as they were forced to go to F Wits Australia.
To all the "experts" on this forum who think they have the answers, you don't.
It's not just QANTAS, but every job in every industry in this country is stuffed. Why? Because there are those on this forum that say "Australian products or services" just aren't up to scratch to compete with the overseas competitors, and vote to go with them. A lot of people seem to enjoy laying into QANTAS and its employees, but the one true saviour of QANTAS to date is its employees and their dedication to making the company run, regardless of the adversities and obstacles in their way.
Sunfish should remember what I have said from previous posts. We can't make apple pie from crap, but we make the best apple pie tasting crap and serve it with a smile.
I am resigned to the fact that I will eventually be out of a job, if not in this round, it will be one in the future, but I will be damned if I'm going to be scared off, bullied or threatened out of my job. I will continue to do what I do and as I've been doing for many years until I'm given my eviction notice.
It's all very well for those outside of the firing range to cast opinions and aspersions of what should or shouldn't be done, but once the engineering numbers have been dwindled to an amount that makes engineering untenable to keep, they will just shut it down.
Just remember October 2011 when the airline was shut down and there wasn't a thing anyone could do about it. Not even the government, as they were forced to go to F Wits Australia.
To all the "experts" on this forum who think they have the answers, you don't.
It's not just QANTAS, but every job in every industry in this country is stuffed. Why? Because there are those on this forum that say "Australian products or services" just aren't up to scratch to compete with the overseas competitors, and vote to go with them. A lot of people seem to enjoy laying into QANTAS and its employees, but the one true saviour of QANTAS to date is its employees and their dedication to making the company run, regardless of the adversities and obstacles in their way.
Sunfish should remember what I have said from previous posts. We can't make apple pie from crap, but we make the best apple pie tasting crap and serve it with a smile.
I am resigned to the fact that I will eventually be out of a job, if not in this round, it will be one in the future, but I will be damned if I'm going to be scared off, bullied or threatened out of my job. I will continue to do what I do and as I've been doing for many years until I'm given my eviction notice.
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Increased capacity to support growing demand for its line and base maintenance services
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Singapore, 5 November 2012 – ST Aerospace today broke ground to add a narrow-body aircraft hangar at its Changi facility in Singapore.* The total investment in the hangar and associated equipment amounts to $11m.* The new hangar is expected to be operational by the end of third quarter 2013.
With the new hangar, ST Aerospace will extend its suite of services to support a host of wide-body and narrow-body aircraft at Changi Airport.* At over 3,600 sqm, the new hangar will be able to accommodate two narrow-body aircraft such as the Boeing 737 and Airbus A320, contributing an additional 200,000 man-hours annually.
The capacity expansion is in response to robust demand for ST Aerospace’s line and base maintenance services at Changi, especially from the growing fleet of low-cost carriers which typically operate narrow-body aircraft.*
“Changi Airport is an important air hub with excellent connectivity.* Our new hangar in Changi will enable us to offer better support to our key customers who operate in Changi Airport.* It will also provide us with additional capacity for growth, riding on the back of strong air traffic growth in the Asia Pacific region and the rising trend of maintenance outsourcing.* ST Aerospace remains focused in bringing our suite of value-added services to more customers.”**
************************************************************ ************************************************************ **************************************~ CHANG Cheow Teck, President, ST Aerospace
courses are being conducted on 737 to take any overflow work .
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Singapore, 5 November 2012 – ST Aerospace today broke ground to add a narrow-body aircraft hangar at its Changi facility in Singapore.* The total investment in the hangar and associated equipment amounts to $11m.* The new hangar is expected to be operational by the end of third quarter 2013.
With the new hangar, ST Aerospace will extend its suite of services to support a host of wide-body and narrow-body aircraft at Changi Airport.* At over 3,600 sqm, the new hangar will be able to accommodate two narrow-body aircraft such as the Boeing 737 and Airbus A320, contributing an additional 200,000 man-hours annually.
The capacity expansion is in response to robust demand for ST Aerospace’s line and base maintenance services at Changi, especially from the growing fleet of low-cost carriers which typically operate narrow-body aircraft.*
“Changi Airport is an important air hub with excellent connectivity.* Our new hangar in Changi will enable us to offer better support to our key customers who operate in Changi Airport.* It will also provide us with additional capacity for growth, riding on the back of strong air traffic growth in the Asia Pacific region and the rising trend of maintenance outsourcing.* ST Aerospace remains focused in bringing our suite of value-added services to more customers.”**
************************************************************ ************************************************************ **************************************~ CHANG Cheow Teck, President, ST Aerospace
courses are being conducted on 737 to take any overflow work .
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It's interesting that with an "excess of Engineers" there has been no concerted effort to attract customer work by the company. Wasn't the whole premise of initially cancelling customer contracts based on the wholesale lack of engineering manpower available?
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Not at all. QF management got rid of customer contracts dating back to 2005/06, starting with SQ. This led to 20 engineers getting the flick.
The ball continued to roll with the ridding of customer contracts, and reducing the workforce accordingly. Then in the battle of 2008, when those nasty engineers had a couple of stop work meetings, the remaining contracts were handed back to the customers and told not to come back. QF management would have you believe that the customers wanted certainty and didn't want to be caught up in industrial disputes, so they remained away. The reality is that because of the service we provided, they were requesting to renegotiate their contracts, only to be told no.
Here we are today, with another 204 engineers to go from SYD alone, due to QF management reducing their own fleet and destinations.
You want a "concerted effort" to attract new business? Get rid of the current management and replace with those that actually want to manage and run an airline properly. Not having a shot at you 1me.
It's interesting that with an "excess of Engineers" there has been no concerted effort to attract customer work by the company. Wasn't the whole premise of initially cancelling customer contracts based on the wholesale lack of engineering manpower available?
The ball continued to roll with the ridding of customer contracts, and reducing the workforce accordingly. Then in the battle of 2008, when those nasty engineers had a couple of stop work meetings, the remaining contracts were handed back to the customers and told not to come back. QF management would have you believe that the customers wanted certainty and didn't want to be caught up in industrial disputes, so they remained away. The reality is that because of the service we provided, they were requesting to renegotiate their contracts, only to be told no.
Here we are today, with another 204 engineers to go from SYD alone, due to QF management reducing their own fleet and destinations.
You want a "concerted effort" to attract new business? Get rid of the current management and replace with those that actually want to manage and run an airline properly. Not having a shot at you 1me.
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You want a "concerted effort" to attract new business? Get rid of the current management and replace with those that actually want to manage and run an airline properly. Not having a shot at you 1me.
It also doesn't surprise me one iota that the first option the company decided to use was the slash and burn policy.
QE has been in a steady decline through successive administrations, undermined from within and without.
I'm saddened to see the demise of our great heritage and the lives and careers of so many incredible people wrought asunder through the selfish ambition and toxic agenda of so few.
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Qantas | Flying Kangaroo rides the storm
A quote from the recent article,
"The Qantas brand still has a lot going for it," the report says. However, the report warns that "chinks are starting to show", particularly with perceptions of how the airline treats its employees.
"Qantas' perceived interest in the welfare of its employees always comes into question," it says.
"The low evaluation of the care Qantas extends to its employees [together with the high level of perceptions of the service that those employees are providing] spells warning bells to Qantas in terms of any public relations war when industrial disputes inconvenience passengers and their travel agents."
Perhaps Steve P can provide the media with some quotes from the article seeing it wasn't an "internally conducted" & funded study.
MC
A quote from the recent article,
"The Qantas brand still has a lot going for it," the report says. However, the report warns that "chinks are starting to show", particularly with perceptions of how the airline treats its employees.
"Qantas' perceived interest in the welfare of its employees always comes into question," it says.
"The low evaluation of the care Qantas extends to its employees [together with the high level of perceptions of the service that those employees are providing] spells warning bells to Qantas in terms of any public relations war when industrial disputes inconvenience passengers and their travel agents."
Perhaps Steve P can provide the media with some quotes from the article seeing it wasn't an "internally conducted" & funded study.
MC
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Passengers have told of a loud bang and flashes of light coming from the engine of an Emirates A380 airliner that was forced to turn back to Sydney Airport shortly after taking off.
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Your Chance of Getting the Bullet in SAM/Cabin Services
This is the chance you’ll get the bullet if you work in SAM assuming no one puts their hand up for voluntary redundancy:
Total LAME redundancies Required - 51
Total LAMEs in Business - 266
Percentage Chance of being made redundant - 19.1%
Assuming they want to keep all 330 & 380 LAMES the following applies:
LAMEs without 330/380 in business - 129
Percentage Chance of being made redundant - 39.5%
Total AME redundancies required - 59
Total AMEs in Business - 271
Percentage Chance of being made redundant - 21.7%
If you work in Cabin Services:
Total LAME redundancies Required - 19
Total LAMEs in Business - 62
Percentage Chance of being made redundant - 30.6%
Total AME redundancies Required - 40
Total AMEs in Business - 106
Percentage Chance of being made redundant - 37.7%
Running average total loss of manpower is 30.8%
This is the chance you’ll get the bullet if you work in SAM assuming no one puts their hand up for voluntary redundancy:
Total LAME redundancies Required - 51
Total LAMEs in Business - 266
Percentage Chance of being made redundant - 19.1%
Assuming they want to keep all 330 & 380 LAMES the following applies:
LAMEs without 330/380 in business - 129
Percentage Chance of being made redundant - 39.5%
Total AME redundancies required - 59
Total AMEs in Business - 271
Percentage Chance of being made redundant - 21.7%
If you work in Cabin Services:
Total LAME redundancies Required - 19
Total LAMEs in Business - 62
Percentage Chance of being made redundant - 30.6%
Total AME redundancies Required - 40
Total AMEs in Business - 106
Percentage Chance of being made redundant - 37.7%
Running average total loss of manpower is 30.8%
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I don't think anyone is safe bungeye. It makes no difference to them what licences you do or don't hold, they are winding up the business. Everyone in Qe is a dead man walking.
A pity we don't work for BHP.
Jimmy Wilson, head of BHP's iron ore division says:
One, just one, of the problems at Qantas is that senior management see the Company's most valuable resources in terms of "Costs" to be managed downwards, while the dross, for whatever reason, is seen as important. BHP has the right idea.
“We always look at ratios between folk that operate things or maintain things that get operated – those are the folk that actually drive the value in the business, our business,” Mr Wilson said. “The rest of us work for them. So what you don’t want is too many folk that are not part of that direct value addition in the business. So we are focusing on managing that number down."
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Unfortunately aviation is dead, young people better wake up and smell the roses. If you are under 40-35 yo take the payout, go do another trade or uni. Here is a list of reasons to move on.
Introduction of B1, CASA legislation for LAME-less Tarmac, Qantas winding down, Virgin doing heavy maintenance overseas, Virgin so nepotistic you wont even get an interview unless you golf with the boss, Jetstar heading overseas, pay scales making an Aldi shelf packer earn more, staff travel impossible to use, the list goes on.
Trust me when I say you'll not regret it once the move is made.
Introduction of B1, CASA legislation for LAME-less Tarmac, Qantas winding down, Virgin doing heavy maintenance overseas, Virgin so nepotistic you wont even get an interview unless you golf with the boss, Jetstar heading overseas, pay scales making an Aldi shelf packer earn more, staff travel impossible to use, the list goes on.
Trust me when I say you'll not regret it once the move is made.
The boss of Virgin in Sydney is an ex QF Heavy Maint. LAME. I don't think golf was his sport of choice it was dirtbikes.
As I have said before, John Borghetti offered to take QF engineers that have been given the flick. But he hasn't actually come good on his offer since giving it lip service.
I also heard in passing a LAME talking to a manager asking what is going to happen when SAM fails? The response was rebuild it and take people back on their terms.
As I have said before, John Borghetti offered to take QF engineers that have been given the flick. But he hasn't actually come good on his offer since giving it lip service.
I also heard in passing a LAME talking to a manager asking what is going to happen when SAM fails? The response was rebuild it and take people back on their terms.
I also heard in passing a LAME talking to a manager asking what is going to happen when SAM fails? The response was rebuild it and take people back on their terms.
One thing the Manager/Accountant types seem to forget people with qualifications and experience don't just fall out of the trees when they need them.
Anyone worth their salt won't be sitting around waiting waiting for the chance they'll be asked back to their old job. They'll be gone elsewhere and in many cases into an industry where their skills and experience are appreciated and not very likely to want to go back to the old firm. If they come back at all it will be on THEIR (the LAME'S) TERMS.
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I also heard in passing a LAME talking to a manager asking what is going to happen when SAM fails? The response was rebuild it and take people back on their terms.
Pretty dumb if they buy into that one!!
More likely to see Jetstar start 'maintaining' whats left of the QF fleet……
Sad to hear how many around the traps are privately expressing their thoughts it may be time to abandon the Titanic……I fear they may have finally broken our will for QF to survive!