QANTAS - WHERE TO NOW?
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From what I know of QF in terms of its engineers, with the exception of the old Heavy Maint nearly everyone is a LAME..That is regardless of whether you have one categaory ie Elec or Full EIR..With other airlines like EK,CX,BA,SQ etc, an LAE is a position which you have to apply for if one becomes available..its not a given right, ..and that my friends is where the problem lies.
Because there's never been a limited approval for AMEs ie CAT A, which would cover 21 items of Line Maint such as wheels and brakes, transit chks etc,(inspite of that sys being in Europe in the late 90's), the company under the CASA system, have to use a Licensed engineers, which becomes very expensive indeed, especially when some of those LAME's earn over $150k a year for topping up oil and doing a check 1!!...
The current system is not financially sustainable..If QF want to go down the EASA way of doing things ie few LAE's trained on all types, loads of AMEs trained on CAT A, how do they propose on doing it??..
Having worked for QF Eng for a few years, I constantly see wastage and systems which are making our job more and more admin than engineering..
Is it prudent to have LAMEs on $50/hr spend half there working day typing in tech log coupons or constantly towing around aircraft..Can we not get Data entry clerks on 40K a year to do that??..
How much does that cost the company?..And don't even get me started on the Maintenix System!!..
Instead its the poor LAME that has to pay for the grossly ineffiecent way Engineering has been run for years...and still is!!!!
Because there's never been a limited approval for AMEs ie CAT A, which would cover 21 items of Line Maint such as wheels and brakes, transit chks etc,(inspite of that sys being in Europe in the late 90's), the company under the CASA system, have to use a Licensed engineers, which becomes very expensive indeed, especially when some of those LAME's earn over $150k a year for topping up oil and doing a check 1!!...
The current system is not financially sustainable..If QF want to go down the EASA way of doing things ie few LAE's trained on all types, loads of AMEs trained on CAT A, how do they propose on doing it??..
Having worked for QF Eng for a few years, I constantly see wastage and systems which are making our job more and more admin than engineering..
Is it prudent to have LAMEs on $50/hr spend half there working day typing in tech log coupons or constantly towing around aircraft..Can we not get Data entry clerks on 40K a year to do that??..
How much does that cost the company?..And don't even get me started on the Maintenix System!!..
Instead its the poor LAME that has to pay for the grossly ineffiecent way Engineering has been run for years...and still is!!!!
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so that's about 1000 engineering staff in the last 6 mths,bloody hell plus the 450 odd back in 2006 at Sydney,wonder how many middle management have come on board in that time,the non value add numbers must be starting to look pretty scary...
From my knowledge, the reason they are cutting LAME and AME jobs is because there is going to be 7 less 744's next year with no new aircraft replacing them. It isnt because QF is wanting to change the LAME:AME ratio or the amount of LAME's per aircraft, those figures are going to remain the same ("Supposedly", according to the manager i was talking to).
There has been no word about the type of people who are going to lose jobs, but i would be considering my options if you dont have a licence on the A380, A330 or 738.
There has been no word about the type of people who are going to lose jobs, but i would be considering my options if you dont have a licence on the A380, A330 or 738.
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After the AGM the one thing I really took away from it was that Joyce and co have now pinned the entire future of any Qantas success entirely on the partnership with Emirates. And it looks like the executive team have also taken to the tie up with open arms as they boozed it up in the Emirates tents during the Spring carnival. (while a lot of our colleagues contemplate the dole queues)
I'm just wondering what Joyce's plan "B" is if Emirates walk away from the deal at the 11th Hour????
The attitude appears from the execs that they have found the answer to their problems, Lets sit back, watch the Emirates cash roll in and put our feet up.
I think if Emirates have a change of heart towards this tie up we are finished. What other company in the world do you know that would rely solely on it's major competitor to be it's financial saviour for its future???
I'm just wondering what Joyce's plan "B" is if Emirates walk away from the deal at the 11th Hour????
The attitude appears from the execs that they have found the answer to their problems, Lets sit back, watch the Emirates cash roll in and put our feet up.
I think if Emirates have a change of heart towards this tie up we are finished. What other company in the world do you know that would rely solely on it's major competitor to be it's financial saviour for its future???
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@Stalins ugly Brother
Most probably what the plan has been all along. Let International go under and J* becomes the new international carrier.
I really don't believe this management want a saviour. Dixon and Singleton are still waiting in the winds and hoping (if they already don't know) that the deal will fall over, the share price will tumble, and they will come in and buy it for a song, make it private and then tear the heart out of what's left of the Roo.
I'm just wondering what Joyce's plan "B" is if Emirates walk away from the deal at the 11th Hour???? 
The attitude appears from the execs that they have found the answer to their problems, Lets sit back, watch the Emirates cash roll in and put our feet up.
I think if Emirates have a change of heart towards this tie up we are finished. What other company in the world do you know that would rely solely on it's major competitor to be it's financial saviour for its future???
I think if Emirates have a change of heart towards this tie up we are finished. What other company in the world do you know that would rely solely on it's major competitor to be it's financial saviour for its future???
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I'm just wondering what Joyce's plan "B" is if Emirates walk away from the deal at the 11th Hour??
Don't think it can't happen? This should be good......
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This is just the start!!!
The last round was only pre dinner drinks
This phase is for the loss of the 744 fleet --but why would they cut 15 heads from domestic when it's running on 700 hours per week of OVER TIME.???
Next phase will be when the b738 fleet fully switches over to QGS staff doing R & D etc with the full M.O.D implemented that will cut another 20 staff from syd Dom ops
Domestic syd only has 102 operational staff ie lame/ ame left minus 15 this round will leave 87 minus another 20 in the next phase will leave us with around 65 to 70 give or take a few heads --
When all the remaining 767 s are retired around 2015/16 they will put the knife through Sydney and take another 100 heads from all areas as with the last 744 s gone by 2020 -22 they will cut another 50 plus -- this is just ongoing !!!!
The last round was only pre dinner drinks
This phase is for the loss of the 744 fleet --but why would they cut 15 heads from domestic when it's running on 700 hours per week of OVER TIME.???
Next phase will be when the b738 fleet fully switches over to QGS staff doing R & D etc with the full M.O.D implemented that will cut another 20 staff from syd Dom ops
Domestic syd only has 102 operational staff ie lame/ ame left minus 15 this round will leave 87 minus another 20 in the next phase will leave us with around 65 to 70 give or take a few heads --
When all the remaining 767 s are retired around 2015/16 they will put the knife through Sydney and take another 100 heads from all areas as with the last 744 s gone by 2020 -22 they will cut another 50 plus -- this is just ongoing !!!!
We had a briefing from Tobin today, he couldn't elaborate on the breakdown of LAME/AME.
But then the cabin experience manager dropped his bundle with the following numbers, he wasn't sure if he was allowed to but then convinced himself that he was, so here goes
SAM 51 LAMEs 59 AMEs
Cabin 19 LAMEs 40 AMEs
SIT/SDT 29 LAMEs 6 AMEs.
I might be 1 or 2 numbers out, I didn't write them down but they would be very close to the mark.
Apparently SAM(excluding cabbo's) has about 600 operational staff. Of which I reckon 400 are operational and 200 are on secondment in some cushy office job.
But then the cabin experience manager dropped his bundle with the following numbers, he wasn't sure if he was allowed to but then convinced himself that he was, so here goes
SAM 51 LAMEs 59 AMEs
Cabin 19 LAMEs 40 AMEs
SIT/SDT 29 LAMEs 6 AMEs.
I might be 1 or 2 numbers out, I didn't write them down but they would be very close to the mark.
Apparently SAM(excluding cabbo's) has about 600 operational staff. Of which I reckon 400 are operational and 200 are on secondment in some cushy office job.
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@soldier of fortune,
Unfortunately, this isn't just the start. This is about the midway mark, and the clean-up stages of what is the axe going through the place.
This is because of all the obstacles placed in our way over the last few years, to make our job harder and harder, we have always come through. The obstacles were designed to make us fail, but as always, we find a way around their stupidity, so the only way they can make us fail is to retrench hundreds of us at a time.
We have contracts taken off us, we had VR's. Then we had VR's and more contracts taken off us (in that order). Then we retire aircraft and there's VR's. We lose routes and there's VR's and now looks like CR's.
The spiral downwards is just getting tighter and faster.
Unfortunately, this isn't just the start. This is about the midway mark, and the clean-up stages of what is the axe going through the place.
This is because of all the obstacles placed in our way over the last few years, to make our job harder and harder, we have always come through. The obstacles were designed to make us fail, but as always, we find a way around their stupidity, so the only way they can make us fail is to retrench hundreds of us at a time.
We have contracts taken off us, we had VR's. Then we had VR's and more contracts taken off us (in that order). Then we retire aircraft and there's VR's. We lose routes and there's VR's and now looks like CR's.
The spiral downwards is just getting tighter and faster.
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A death spiral!!!
Reading the last few pages of this thread makes me want to throw up - I feel sick just thinking about it
I'm looking to the left and right of me and I know some of my close work mates that I've worked side by side with for many years through rain ,hail and shine good times and bad are about to end -
regards to all in SAM /SDO & SIT
hold your heads high boys
Reading the last few pages of this thread makes me want to throw up - I feel sick just thinking about it
I'm looking to the left and right of me and I know some of my close work mates that I've worked side by side with for many years through rain ,hail and shine good times and bad are about to end -
regards to all in SAM /SDO & SIT
hold your heads high boys
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10.32 am 8/11/12 text asking me to come in that night for OT
1.33 pm 8/11/12 text from QANTASQE asking me to call up for a phone conference to tell me 30 percent of my area is now redundant
WTF?
1.33 pm 8/11/12 text from QANTASQE asking me to call up for a phone conference to tell me 30 percent of my area is now redundant
WTF?
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10.32 am 8/11/12 text asking me to come in that night for OT
1.33 pm 8/11/12 text from QANTASQE asking me to call up for a phone conference to tell me 30 percent of my area is now redundant
WTF?
1.33 pm 8/11/12 text from QANTASQE asking me to call up for a phone conference to tell me 30 percent of my area is now redundant
WTF?
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Delegates meeting
Yes Bootstrap,we were told the same numbers from the same cabo manager at shift changeover tonight, all very open about it and how union delegates were told at meetings earlier in the day.When delegates returned from todays meetings, we were told by them that nothing new had transpired,yet when quizzed about numbers that the manager had told us about at beginning of shift tonight they said that they were told not to mention this to the troops.Gee thanks guys! Whose side are you on! I suppose you can't trust anybody.
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I suppose you can't trust anybody.
When it gets to the pointy end of who goes next, be rest assured each one will be justifying their own existence till there is no more.
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Your AWU Reps are working for you.
they have completely lost the plot .... their minds on everything else.. as usual..
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