Right on cue - the spin machine keeps on keeping on - JH of course
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Right on cue - the spin machine keeps on keeping on - JH of course
Qantas boss Alan Joyce warns of 'innocent' victims of union dispute
- By Joe Hildebrand
- The Daily Telegraph
- October 20, 2011 12:00AM
THE jobs of "innocent bystanders" at Qantas are under threat, with the airline's boss warning of collateral damage as the ongoing union dispute hammers the company's bottom line. Qantas CEO Alan Joyce said the airline could be forced to terminate staff, including pilots and cabin crew who are not involved in the current industrial war, The Daily Telegraph reported.
Almost an exact mirror image of a story a few days ago.
1 - The Daily Telegraph
2 - Released at midnight
3 - By Joe Hildebrand
Amazing
Qantas CEO Alan Joyce said the airline could be forced to terminate staff, including pilots and cabin crew who are not involved in the current industrial war
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letter to the editor:
Lets see Mr Joyce, you have Catering Staff, Baggage Handlers, Ground engineers and Pilots all claiming your ineptitude is ruining the brand. They cant all be wrong. Time to give up the mis truths reference the scheduled grounding of your older aircraft awaiting spares and sales. The truth will come out and you will be consigned to the dustbin of history for your spin. Further, It is about time this newspaper tried a bit of investigative reporting instead of giving this hack Hilderbrand page space to regurgitate Qantas PR spin, or does the loss of a large advertising account take precedence to Editorial integrity?
Lets see Mr Joyce, you have Catering Staff, Baggage Handlers, Ground engineers and Pilots all claiming your ineptitude is ruining the brand. They cant all be wrong. Time to give up the mis truths reference the scheduled grounding of your older aircraft awaiting spares and sales. The truth will come out and you will be consigned to the dustbin of history for your spin. Further, It is about time this newspaper tried a bit of investigative reporting instead of giving this hack Hilderbrand page space to regurgitate Qantas PR spin, or does the loss of a large advertising account take precedence to Editorial integrity?
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Divide and Conquer Leprechaun Style
Nice work by Mini Me. Trying the angle of 'innocent collateral damage'. What a low life. So he aims at the publics heart strings and moral compass firstly by this statement, and then secondly tries to turn staff (I mean the company's real asset) against each other by pitting non-union employees against union employees. This bloke has officially and undeniably now proven what a rogue he is from cloud cuckoo land.
Dear shareholder, have you considered the next level of disharmony and damage this latest act on behalf of this man may do to your precious investment? Do you think this is good business strategy do you? Well I hope it is for your sake because it is your investment that sits in the hands of this bloke? Feeling upbeat and chirpy about your investment and still feeling that tingle of comfort and confidence deep in your soul?
What about all the 'potential innocent collateral damage staff', the non union staff and the 'AJ fans'? Are you feeling the love from your boss as he prepares to supposedly sacrifice some of you to the wolves to promote his cause? Yes indeed, anybody is fair game to these executive human wrecking balls who will stop at nothing to protect their fat wallets.
Finally, Mr Hildebrand, I have printed off a copy of your article and will be using it to wipe my a#s with after breakfast.
Dear shareholder, have you considered the next level of disharmony and damage this latest act on behalf of this man may do to your precious investment? Do you think this is good business strategy do you? Well I hope it is for your sake because it is your investment that sits in the hands of this bloke? Feeling upbeat and chirpy about your investment and still feeling that tingle of comfort and confidence deep in your soul?
What about all the 'potential innocent collateral damage staff', the non union staff and the 'AJ fans'? Are you feeling the love from your boss as he prepares to supposedly sacrifice some of you to the wolves to promote his cause? Yes indeed, anybody is fair game to these executive human wrecking balls who will stop at nothing to protect their fat wallets.
Finally, Mr Hildebrand, I have printed off a copy of your article and will be using it to wipe my a#s with after breakfast.
Interesting that Ryanair is effectively finding ways to sack some pilots. There is currently 47 different contracts and 47 different payscales in the company. I cant help but think AJ is playing Ryanair games with qantas staff
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When I turned on the telly this morning at around 0630 that inane Sunrise program was on. My initial action in that event is to immediately change channel. However I just had to watch Kochie 
pontificate how the unions caused the demise of Ansett because of the excessive demands, and that any job losses at QF would be becasue of union action.
Co-incidental..............must be........
pontificate how the unions caused the demise of Ansett because of the excessive demands, and that any job losses at QF would be becasue of union action.Co-incidental..............must be........
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Joyce actions compared to taking hostages
I think Sandilands has just written his finest piece on this, digging deep into the hysterics and hostage taking he sees as being present in this situation.
Qantas takes 'innocent bystanders' hostage in disputes | Plane Talking
Qantas takes 'innocent bystanders' hostage in disputes | Plane Talking
At the end of all this, and I daresay even the present, that if any true Qantas worker or even any aviation related employee allows Ben Sandilands to ever buy his own beer in a bar is truly guilty of gross negligence and should be reprimanded from the highest level and never allowed to be in the company of decent folk.
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Kochie...
Unions caused the demise of Ansett? Ansett crashed for a variety of reasons none of which were to do with unions, try researching before you sprout such rubbish.
Qantas has not paid a dividend for 3 years, why are the institutional stockholders not screaming?
The Qantas share price? ask yourself what is the capital value of Qantas as opposed to the value of the stock.
Qantas mainline will have had 16 brand new aircraft delivered this year come December, the ones being grounded have been listed for sale since April for the 737's and July for the 767's.
It's all well and good for you guys to parrot Qantas spin, but don't let us hear how sad you are when Qantas is gone and Jetstar is an overseas airline operating within Australia, too late? the story is that they already are doing just that.
The media is beyond biased in the coverage of this issue, 'you don't know what you've got until it's gone'.
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Unions caused the demise of Ansett? Ansett crashed for a variety of reasons none of which were to do with unions, try researching before you sprout such rubbish.
Qantas has not paid a dividend for 3 years, why are the institutional stockholders not screaming?
The Qantas share price? ask yourself what is the capital value of Qantas as opposed to the value of the stock.
Qantas mainline will have had 16 brand new aircraft delivered this year come December, the ones being grounded have been listed for sale since April for the 737's and July for the 767's.
It's all well and good for you guys to parrot Qantas spin, but don't let us hear how sad you are when Qantas is gone and Jetstar is an overseas airline operating within Australia, too late? the story is that they already are doing just that.
The media is beyond biased in the coverage of this issue, 'you don't know what you've got until it's gone'.
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the problem for AJ and LC
is that if they have to let go of staff (cabin crew,pilots, groundstaff) it will be the new cheap contractors first (QCD,QCCA<etc).
Nothing like engagement
Nothing like engagement
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Sandilands' article [Qantas takes 'innocent bystanders' hostage in disputes | Plane Talking] sure poses some far reaching questions.
Ultimately the intent behind the current industrial fiasco will become known.
Questions are – at what price and for what reasons are Shareholders, Staff and the Travelling Public being made the scape goats.
That AIPA walked away from its Sale Act case in 2009 is looking more and more like a tragic mistake.
Is it (Qantas) special, or has it descended to just being a sham? Has it (Qantas) made a nonsense of the Qantas Sale Act, and of equal importance, does all of this make a case for actually abolishing that act completely?
Questions are – at what price and for what reasons are Shareholders, Staff and the Travelling Public being made the scape goats.
That AIPA walked away from its Sale Act case in 2009 is looking more and more like a tragic mistake.
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Spot on Ben !
In short, there are some serious questions to ask about what Alan Joyce and chairman Leigh Clifford are really on about in their illogical claims to be gutting Qantas in order to make it stronger by turning to minority Asian controlled entities subject to what appear to uncertain negotiations with Singapore or Malaysia as the alternative solution to its aversion to being Australian.
This is NOT about AJ.......he is just the hapless,compliant messenger.
It IS..... all about the Board and LC- driving there hair-brained "agenda" which appears to be:
1. positioning JQ as THE NATIONAL CARRIER.
2. closing down Qantas Int.
3. opening up the rest of the business to asset stripping (Private Equity maggots)
Over at V-central.......JB is lapping it up. Moving capacity from the Tasman and Abu Dhabi and redeploying it in Oz. Why the hell wouldn't he ?????
He must be thinking to himself (in the same mode as Kerry Packer with Alan Bond buying Channel 9).....this deal is only going to happen once in my lifetime. I just hope (before its not too late) that someone lifts up the Moet - drenched rug and discovers WHAT THE REAL AGENDA IS HERE..........'cause it aint about wages and "competitive international pressures".
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Football .... it's just a game, but now the players get millions for playing.
Today's management ... just another game.
It's a tight rope walker game where he doesn't look down past the wire... just concentrates on the it and getting to the other side so he can take the money and head off to a higher wider chasm to conquer for a greater prize.
Someone else will get the job of retreiving the cable and picking up the rubbish when it's all over... he'll charge a packet for it too.
Hmmm split the troops by telling some, 'You're the good little people ... you're not like those other greedy cows" then threaten to Do 'em if the baddies don't stop rocking the boat.
I seem to remember the same thing 22 years ago and look what happened. Most of the 'good little people' still don't see who DID 'EM because they believe the lies.
Today's management ... just another game.
It's a tight rope walker game where he doesn't look down past the wire... just concentrates on the it and getting to the other side so he can take the money and head off to a higher wider chasm to conquer for a greater prize.
Someone else will get the job of retreiving the cable and picking up the rubbish when it's all over... he'll charge a packet for it too.
Hmmm split the troops by telling some, 'You're the good little people ... you're not like those other greedy cows" then threaten to Do 'em if the baddies don't stop rocking the boat.
I seem to remember the same thing 22 years ago and look what happened. Most of the 'good little people' still don't see who DID 'EM because they believe the lies.
When I turned on the telly this morning at around 0630 that inane Sunrise program was on. My initial action in that event is to immediately change channel. However I just had to watch Kochie 
pontificate how the unions caused the demise of Ansett because of the excessive demands, and that any job losses at QF would be becasue of union action.
pontificate how the unions caused the demise of Ansett because of the excessive demands, and that any job losses at QF would be becasue of union action.
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Yesterday Alan Joyce said;
Hmmm! Would have thought that Management's spinning, rather than clarifying, their proposed offshoreing and outsourcing strategy is what's really underpinning the threat to QF employee job security.
But hey, what would I know. I only read the public press.
More fact & less fiction please.
Three unions were jeopardising the job security of 35,000 staff. "Qantas cabin crew, airport staff and short-haul pilots - these are some of the innocent bystanders in this dispute," he said. "Through no fault of their own, their jobs are now being put at risk by unions.
But hey, what would I know. I only read the public press.
More fact & less fiction please.
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In an interview on ABC News 24 this morning the transport minister Anthony Albanese, agreed that the government could use its powers under the Fair Work Act to intervene and force a resolution of the differences between the parties if the national interest was affected.
Maybe Albanese could 'force' CASA to conclude regulatory change and actually finish a project, by way of priority over Qantas issues?
As for 'national interest', well is it in the national interest to blow billions on usless schemes, failed experiments, introducing crafty lawyer written ****e legislation and approving devious taxpayer money raping mechanisms such as 'Carbon Tax'?
Give me a break, this government of incompetent, bloated self interested bureaucrats couldnt efficiently run a sausage sizzle outside a hardware store let alone achieve anything else.
Let this battle run it's course I say, had management of QF truly been winning the war you would hear nothing about the 35000 workers getting screwed, but when management are on the back foot they act like a schoolyard bully who finally meets his nemesis and they call in the even bigger kids to help them.
QF management and politicians would be advised to cautiously reconsider their actions in my view, we are not living in 1989 and we are not living in 2001, this is 2011 and the little people are becoming a growing force who will no longer accept nor tolerate corporate/political greed, lies and deception. Pull your heads out of your well appointed arses and look around the world out how dictatorial leadership is now being dealt with you fools? If you don't think it can or will happen in Australia then you truly are living in cloud cuckoo land.
The facts in this fiasco are quite simple in my view:
Shareholders - Grab your spreadsheets, calculators and hostorical financial data and ask yourself 'am I better off now' with my investment? If not, wake up and make yourself known, YOU can make the required changes. Strength in numbers.
QF employee's - Are you currently better off or will you be better off under the current offerings, style of management and actions of your 'leaders' ? If not, then now is your moment of truth, speak now or forever hold your peace. Again, strength in numbers, YOU can make the changes required - Think smart, act smart, make your stand now, there will be a winner in all this bloodshed, question is do you the employee and shareholder have the balls to win this?
