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PER ATC - Worst in Australia?

Old 13th Aug 2011, 03:50
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holdat,

Wednesday night was a corker wasnt it .

While by the sound of the conversations going on there were some aircraft obviously (very) early, it also seemed to be a case of the 'left hand not knowing what the right hand was doing'.

eg. One crew rang up and received a PTL 40min earlier than the original time. Mind you it was still 30min after schedule arrival. After holding on the ground for 20 mins, they still copped a 25 min airbourne delay. When the crew questioned what PTL ATC were holding, it was the original time. The new PTL was never passed on. But the controller (was that you) who was obviously 'over it' for the night, had the cheek to blame the crew for being early. When the crew had actually done the right thing.

As to why 50% of the inbound flights were early, see all the previous posts.
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Old 13th Aug 2011, 04:07
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Monopole, there was a bit of miscommunication with that aircraft. The controller (not me this time) was reading off the PTL list that was generated a couple of hours earlier. I knew I shouldn't have left the list unattended. I try to be a little bit more diplomatic, first checking the current PTL first.
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Old 13th Aug 2011, 04:52
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pread the FIFO ops over 7 days rather than mid-week clusters
That would be ideal, but then you would have us, (oops not in that game anymore) moaning. It depends on the R&R model used, and the dead time to get out of whatever swing you are on.

If a lot of people left on the weekends it would effectively mean you would never get any weekend time with the kids whilst you are in that job. For longer time break models, another words 2 on 2 off etc its not such a big issue. Unfortunitly there's a lot of funny rosters these days which are short on time up, but also short on time down.
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Old 13th Aug 2011, 05:29
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Jack Ranga you hit the nail on the head!!! Had a biz jet coming out of Bankstown the other night for Sy in the middle of the evening burst. Maestro was full not a spare slot for an hour. The pilot was advised so he called the NOC and they gave him a landing time in 20mins, WTF?????? As long as the system is run by people who have no idea about what is going on this type of stuff is going to continue and probably going to get worst.

Just look at how bad Sydney has become, rate reductions because of the cap, suburbs we can't take planes over anymore in the morning, it really is embarrassing.
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Old 13th Aug 2011, 06:47
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Yes, the FIFO guys need to change during the week to give them a clear weekend off at home. Fair enough too.

Between 2000 and around 0600 the place is quiet. Perth has no curfew. Mine sites with RNAV approaches and lights.

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Old 13th Aug 2011, 08:16
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Dreaming.............

Is it just me or are PER ATC losing the plot?
Nah its all about controller amusement!! If only we could find out who you fly for we can have a few more laughs. I know your the only aircraft in the sky but there's coffee to drink and donuts to eat.

Spread the schedules, 60 a hour doesn't work, departing or arriving. Before the current WIP, 40 (deparures & arrivals) an hour would be moved on a regular basis. Not as good as the single runway holy grail Gatwick but geez we're only a hick country town.

COMPLIANCE!! ATC shouldn't have to punish the naughty boys, if you don't comply, suffer. You may get an enroute delay but if everyone did the right thing it would be minimised. Do the right thing, I must be dreaming.....

Taxi slot rage, love it. Remember 60 doesn't go into an hour in hicksville. Its a crude tool but it helps us and you, trust me, better than taking an hour from taxi to airborne. You might not like the alternative, get a time (not a block), miss it and its back to the end of the conga line for you.

Pilots need to help themselves, many do the right thing but there is always a big percentage that try it on. And they are the ones they need to be chased for incorrect readbacks, take forever to get off the runway (high speeds wouldn't help them) go slow when made number 1 and go fast when made number 2. It's amazing how the same aircraft from the same company can be flown so different.

WAC have been caught with their pants down but are trying to catch up, maybe too little too late but they are spending money. The real fault was the privatisation of the airport in the first place. No point building a parallel runway (not so sure the traffic warrants it anyway) until the terminal situation is sorted, too many runway crossings already.

Meanwhile keep it up, I need a good laugh when at work.
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Old 13th Aug 2011, 08:55
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Pilots need to help themselves, many do the right thing but there is always a big percentage that try it on. And they are the ones they need to be chased for incorrect readbacks, take forever to get off the runway (high speeds wouldn't help them) go slow when made number 1 and go fast when made number 2. It's amazing how the same aircraft from the same company can be flown so different.
I understand you guys are woefully understaffed etc... but what about some proper airline crew education sessions? Perth seems to be a basket case at the moment, but Im sure other cities could benefit from these as well. I know Airservices does the information nights for anyone from PPL to ATPL to just show them the facilities- but a specific airspace information session from a couple of controllers could be held in town, or at the WAC conference facilities or even just come into the PER airline offices and do it.

These sessions could run through pretty much what is being discussed here- ways to help our causes such as adhering to standard speeds for as long as possible on approach, emphasising the need for timely runway vacating, etc etc.

The company I work for has issued memo's before the MOWP started a few months ago, but this was general information only. Its amazing the different theories and "i think this is what ATC wants from us" that you get flying with different crew. For instance many believe that a crossing time can be plus or minus 1 min, when I believe it is not like a normal waypoint time in that you should be there AT THAT time. (correct me if Im wrong)

This would no where near solve the problems in PER by any stretch, but it may mend some fences between pilots and ATC and gain a few % points in efficiencies when everyone is doing the same (right) thing.
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Old 13th Aug 2011, 09:18
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I understand you guys are woefully understaffed etc
Understaffing has nothing to do with it, more ATC staff wouldn't increase the amount of concrete at PAP or the compliance of pilots.

airline crew education sessions?
"Airline crew" should not need to be educated on reading back "holding point" or vacating a runway quickly or when "cleared for take off" actually get on the runway and move, or taxi slot between 10-20 means you taxy between 10 and 20 etc etc etc
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