Jetstar to start recruiting
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Well the answer to that question is YES. After the Senate exposure, Jetstar are being forced to recruit more pilots (see thread title) and do so on the EBA. So pilots who join in the coming months on the EBA will probably have a seniority number, have the opportunity to be based within in Australia rather than be forced overseas, have better career prospects, and the opportunity to undertake command training, than those who signed a shonky eleventh hour contract without any protection or assurances.
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Even if it is on the EBA they will be on the same EBA they could have signed on to a couple of years ago, now they are just a couple of years lower on the seniority list.
Your assumption that they will be on the EBA is based on what? All the applications for Australian positions were closed on 29 Apr and the new job is for Jetstar Group, not Jetstar Airways.
Your assumption that they will be on the EBA is based on what? All the applications for Australian positions were closed on 29 Apr and the new job is for Jetstar Group, not Jetstar Airways.
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The reality of the situation is this is a dysfunctional market. Two employers (QantStar group & Virgin) employ the vast majority of RPT pilots in this country, and expanding (Network aviation & further inevitable consolidation). QantStar have demonstrated they are willing to exploit this market power to the nth degree. This is a classic act of bastardry & exploitation, simply because they can. They will not stop, they have almost absolute power. As we all know, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
If you look at the current cadet situation, in effect, a cadet is donating 8 years unpaid, of their lives to a commercial organisation, for commercial gain. You can be sure, QantStar will shove as many fools down this pipeline as they can find. Everyone in the pipeline has an incentive to grossly over-train, it is to their commercial advantage, when the fools are footing the bill. They will flood the market.
These cadets are blinded by an A380 Captains pay packet. The reality is, for them, the best they ever hope to earn is the Air Pilots 2010 pay rates, but even that will be a pipe dream.
There will need to be an enormous amount of pain to the fools, this will happen in time. Unfortunately very few learn through insight, most only respond to the pain stimuli. Many will need to be sacrificed, the pain will need to be widely felt, and very public.
The effect of this cadet pipeline will be to reduce T&C for current low jet time pilots. Unfortunately this will not change as the fools queue up to be slaughtered in the cadet system.
Any pilot applying to the jetstar will in effect be competing against cadets in a reverse auction. Think about that, a cadet with a 200K+ debt and near-instantaneous bankruptcy is bidding against you for work.
Current low time pilots (non-cadets) should consider either cutting their losses and leaving the industry or going to Asia. There are a myriad of opportunities in the resources sector, paying significantly more than they will ever earn in this industry. It will not take you long to recoup your training costs.
What has happened in Europe (cadets bankrupted) & the US (pilots on food stamps) will happen here. It will happen because there is commercial incentive to do so, and a continued willingness by fools to only see the bright lights. Unfortunately for those that have completed a CPL in the last five years, you have been a victim of either bad timing and/or poor industry due diligence. PPRuNe has documented this continuous descent, to those that chose to see it.
If you look at the current cadet situation, in effect, a cadet is donating 8 years unpaid, of their lives to a commercial organisation, for commercial gain. You can be sure, QantStar will shove as many fools down this pipeline as they can find. Everyone in the pipeline has an incentive to grossly over-train, it is to their commercial advantage, when the fools are footing the bill. They will flood the market.
These cadets are blinded by an A380 Captains pay packet. The reality is, for them, the best they ever hope to earn is the Air Pilots 2010 pay rates, but even that will be a pipe dream.
There will need to be an enormous amount of pain to the fools, this will happen in time. Unfortunately very few learn through insight, most only respond to the pain stimuli. Many will need to be sacrificed, the pain will need to be widely felt, and very public.
The effect of this cadet pipeline will be to reduce T&C for current low jet time pilots. Unfortunately this will not change as the fools queue up to be slaughtered in the cadet system.
Any pilot applying to the jetstar will in effect be competing against cadets in a reverse auction. Think about that, a cadet with a 200K+ debt and near-instantaneous bankruptcy is bidding against you for work.
Current low time pilots (non-cadets) should consider either cutting their losses and leaving the industry or going to Asia. There are a myriad of opportunities in the resources sector, paying significantly more than they will ever earn in this industry. It will not take you long to recoup your training costs.
What has happened in Europe (cadets bankrupted) & the US (pilots on food stamps) will happen here. It will happen because there is commercial incentive to do so, and a continued willingness by fools to only see the bright lights. Unfortunately for those that have completed a CPL in the last five years, you have been a victim of either bad timing and/or poor industry due diligence. PPRuNe has documented this continuous descent, to those that chose to see it.
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So when exactly is the senate report supposed to become made available publicly?
Maybe JQ is waiting to see the findings...
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So when exactly is the senate report supposed to become made available publicly?
Maybe JQ is waiting to see the findings...
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QantStar will shove as many fools down this pipeline as they can find
Current low time pilots (non-cadets) should consider either cutting their losses and leaving the industry or going to Asia.
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Group Contract has been confirmed.
Will employ 50 pilots starting from next week.
Base will be DRW/PER/+
Contract will be PART TIME ONLY..........(PAY AROUND $55K)
4 weeks leave, 5 sick days, no cpi increase, no roster request, infinate stby, roster changes at jetstars will discretion, 8 days off per month,
need i go on!!
THIS INFO IS DIRECT FROM HEAD OFFICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Will employ 50 pilots starting from next week.
Base will be DRW/PER/+
Contract will be PART TIME ONLY..........(PAY AROUND $55K)
4 weeks leave, 5 sick days, no cpi increase, no roster request, infinate stby, roster changes at jetstars will discretion, 8 days off per month,
need i go on!!
THIS INFO IS DIRECT FROM HEAD OFFICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God I hope that's a lie...
And talking to a cadet said he was sure things would get better and he would be in a position to take it.... yeah right!
Get out before the costly trip overseas for a type rating boys!
And talking to a cadet said he was sure things would get better and he would be in a position to take it.... yeah right!
Get out before the costly trip overseas for a type rating boys!
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Believe me or not
THE INFO IS CORRECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
other parts of the contract are still in the pipeline or at least have not been revealed yet....
The contract is based on the Air Pilots Award at Part time rates...
THE INFO IS CORRECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
other parts of the contract are still in the pipeline or at least have not been revealed yet....
The contract is based on the Air Pilots Award at Part time rates...
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Turn it up Gnadenburg. After all, this is all part of the "spirit of Australia". What a #### of an outfit. I would be embaressed to even associate with anything at all related to JQ. Actually, this will be the watershed for the rest of the industry. Make no mistake, IF JQ can get away with this kind of bastardry and exploitation, the rest will follow. 
"But that's ok , I am flying a jet"
"But that's ok , I am flying a jet"
55K a year in Darwin - what a deal, whats next casuals like the flight attendants ?
Someone at the top end probably said look at the money we're saving with the casual FAs ! - lets do the same with pilots
Someone at the top end probably said look at the money we're saving with the casual FAs ! - lets do the same with pilots
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What a joke, I was on 45k a year in Darwin about 4 years ago flying piston's and now for barely any more I get the privilege to fly a jet.
Well when they ring me in the next few weeks it will be a very very easy NO.
no one
Well when they ring me in the next few weeks it will be a very very easy NO.
no one
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Trust me guys, they will fill the spots no problem. Shiney jet syndrome will win over, Jetstar NZ just offered the wonderful opportunity in AKL to transfer to the A330 for the SAME pay as a FO on the A320, union said don't take it, other pilots said don't take it, but 10 First Officers signed up on the first day just to get the A330 type rating We are our own worst enemies
We are our own worst enemies
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I am not sure where the $55K would come from. The award minimum is $71397 plus additionals which I work out to be $91924.77 plus allowances for meals uniforms etc. If there is a plan to use part time rates then things such as 'infinite standby' wont be available to the company because that the staff wont be full time.
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I appreciate this is sort of off topic, and if anyone can PM me a reply to keep the topic on track that would be good.
However, I was seriously considering applying for OAA's JetStar Cadet Program. I am an Australian citizen but lived in England all my life, but would happily consider upping and leaving this place if this course and subsequent job was worthwhile. Reading this thread though it seems that I'd be wasting my time? Over here, obviously, nobody knows much about jetstar so I'm looking for opinion that they are either a bad company or a good company to work for once qualified. I'd obviously be tied in for "x" amount of time, and by reading this thread I'm guessing I should stay away rather than risk 5 years (or however many) of poor employee treatment from them.
Any comments?
Thanks
However, I was seriously considering applying for OAA's JetStar Cadet Program. I am an Australian citizen but lived in England all my life, but would happily consider upping and leaving this place if this course and subsequent job was worthwhile. Reading this thread though it seems that I'd be wasting my time? Over here, obviously, nobody knows much about jetstar so I'm looking for opinion that they are either a bad company or a good company to work for once qualified. I'd obviously be tied in for "x" amount of time, and by reading this thread I'm guessing I should stay away rather than risk 5 years (or however many) of poor employee treatment from them.
Any comments?
Thanks
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Eyon: Start HERE, then HERE then peruse the CTC wingS thread PART 1 & PART 2.
The consider that the instant you sign on the dotted line you begin accruing a debt that will exceed AUD $200,000. If you are checked to line as first officer in Australia, you could expect to earn AUD$55,000+ to live in Darwin. If you are posted to New Zealand, you will earn AUD$25,000+. In both cases you will be required to pay approx AUD$12,000 per annum for your endorsement for 6 years. You will still have a debt of approximately AUD$100,000 to the Australian government (FEE-HELP), which will be deducted as additional tax.
Please do your own due diligence before you consider this cadetship. In my opinion, this deal is financial suicide, it is nothing short of debt bondage. Search through my previous posts, I have provided an enormous volume of information on how this scheme operates to YOUR detriment. Take your time, it will take you a couple of months to get your head around everything. Do not make a rushed decision, as once you sign up, there is no going back without severe financial hardship.
The consider that the instant you sign on the dotted line you begin accruing a debt that will exceed AUD $200,000. If you are checked to line as first officer in Australia, you could expect to earn AUD$55,000+ to live in Darwin. If you are posted to New Zealand, you will earn AUD$25,000+. In both cases you will be required to pay approx AUD$12,000 per annum for your endorsement for 6 years. You will still have a debt of approximately AUD$100,000 to the Australian government (FEE-HELP), which will be deducted as additional tax.
Please do your own due diligence before you consider this cadetship. In my opinion, this deal is financial suicide, it is nothing short of debt bondage. Search through my previous posts, I have provided an enormous volume of information on how this scheme operates to YOUR detriment. Take your time, it will take you a couple of months to get your head around everything. Do not make a rushed decision, as once you sign up, there is no going back without severe financial hardship.
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Thanks Burrito, I assumed as much. I applied for a Flybe caddetship here in the UK (and got through to final 12 with interviews with the airline but didnt make it down to a single badly answered question, learnt my lesson there!) and the finances were appalling if looking in the long term, I guessed J* would be no different. Sadly the cadetships are nicely dressed up but when you look deeper into them it doesn't work out as viable as other routes.
Done a bit more reading into Jetstar since my original post and it doesn't look an airline I particularly want to give 6 years of my working life away to. I think I'll fund and pursue my carreer another way. I was considering this cadetship strongly for the last few months but have recently having doubts, I think this mornings research has confirmed them!
Done a bit more reading into Jetstar since my original post and it doesn't look an airline I particularly want to give 6 years of my working life away to. I think I'll fund and pursue my carreer another way. I was considering this cadetship strongly for the last few months but have recently having doubts, I think this mornings research has confirmed them!