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hey breakfastburrito: I know that you're only trying to warn others of what you think is not a very good idea but I don't understand this culture of whinging that has developed recently. (or maybe its always been around?)
People are constantly bashing these cadetship schemes - I hate to break it to you but they're not going anywhere! No matter how much you complain about it they are here to stay.
I would rather spend my time concentrating on my own career rather than trying to tell people how crap theirs is. Im not saying that you have bad intentions but people who apply for cadetships will not be put off by what you say, no matter how hard you try.
People are constantly bashing these cadetship schemes - I hate to break it to you but they're not going anywhere! No matter how much you complain about it they are here to stay.
I would rather spend my time concentrating on my own career rather than trying to tell people how crap theirs is. Im not saying that you have bad intentions but people who apply for cadetships will not be put off by what you say, no matter how hard you try.
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Ozvandriver, thank for the concern about my career, I've achieved most things everyone would want out of aviation, widebody time with 7500++ hours/3000++ landings in an RPT jet on a good contract. So no cadet's don't present a threat to my career. I have sufficient experience to take the best contracts on offer. I also have qualifications & industry experience in an unrelated field. The end of the day I have the runs on the board. Do you still think I am whinging?
I am attempting to provide the real life view of how this business works. I attempted to answer a direct question factually. Do you think I achieved that?
You are right, some people, despite all the warnings & evidence will dive into the shallow end, smoke, take drugs, gamble, drive too fast & engage in all sorts of other reckless behaviours.
Weather to undertake this cadetship is likely to be the single most important financial decision that cadets face in their lifetime. Facts are, similar schemes in Europe have threatened bankruptcy on cadets & their families. I'm sure people would want as much information as possible before signing on the line. The reckless will do it regardless of the consequences & be dammed- they always have. These people will never be swayed by logic or argument, not much anyone can do about that.
However, there are a significant majority that gather the information, calculate & play the odds when they are in their favour, this is the audience I am addressing. THIS PARTICULAR cadet scheme to me, as an industry insider skews the odds way too far away from the cadet. I struggle to find any job outside of the military that requires a 6 year bond to an employer for training, perhaps someone could name another example for me.
Cadetships are not the only way into aviation. I would consider the military to a far superior choice over this scheme, given the return of service is almost identical. It would appear that j* have completely abandoned seniority for promotion, it is now merit based. Therefore date of joining is almost irrelevant. Conceivably someone could step out of the military and into the left hand seat of a j* A330 & bypassing all cadets.
This cadet scheme has all the hallmarks of the GA system, just the thing people seem to try and avoid. j* had it genesis out of Impulse, a GA operator, & many would argue it still is.
Unfortunately, globally aviation is a severely stressed industry, there are enormous pressures on managers to cut costs. Aviation is not what it used to be. If you still want to be a part of this industry, fine, but be aware that it not the underworked/overpaid perception that exists to those on the outside.
Challenge me on the factual arguments I present. My motivations are to try to share knowledge that can't be gleaned from the glossy brochure. As I have stressed in the past I have nothing against cadet, GA or military pilots.
OzVandriver, one thing I did notice having a casual glace through your previous posts is that you seem to proffer plenty of advice to others about what to do & what to avoid, yet you criticise me for doing the same thing. A bit hypocritical don't you think?
I am attempting to provide the real life view of how this business works. I attempted to answer a direct question factually. Do you think I achieved that?
You are right, some people, despite all the warnings & evidence will dive into the shallow end, smoke, take drugs, gamble, drive too fast & engage in all sorts of other reckless behaviours.
Weather to undertake this cadetship is likely to be the single most important financial decision that cadets face in their lifetime. Facts are, similar schemes in Europe have threatened bankruptcy on cadets & their families. I'm sure people would want as much information as possible before signing on the line. The reckless will do it regardless of the consequences & be dammed- they always have. These people will never be swayed by logic or argument, not much anyone can do about that.
However, there are a significant majority that gather the information, calculate & play the odds when they are in their favour, this is the audience I am addressing. THIS PARTICULAR cadet scheme to me, as an industry insider skews the odds way too far away from the cadet. I struggle to find any job outside of the military that requires a 6 year bond to an employer for training, perhaps someone could name another example for me.
Cadetships are not the only way into aviation. I would consider the military to a far superior choice over this scheme, given the return of service is almost identical. It would appear that j* have completely abandoned seniority for promotion, it is now merit based. Therefore date of joining is almost irrelevant. Conceivably someone could step out of the military and into the left hand seat of a j* A330 & bypassing all cadets.
This cadet scheme has all the hallmarks of the GA system, just the thing people seem to try and avoid. j* had it genesis out of Impulse, a GA operator, & many would argue it still is.
Unfortunately, globally aviation is a severely stressed industry, there are enormous pressures on managers to cut costs. Aviation is not what it used to be. If you still want to be a part of this industry, fine, but be aware that it not the underworked/overpaid perception that exists to those on the outside.
Challenge me on the factual arguments I present. My motivations are to try to share knowledge that can't be gleaned from the glossy brochure. As I have stressed in the past I have nothing against cadet, GA or military pilots.
OzVandriver, one thing I did notice having a casual glace through your previous posts is that you seem to proffer plenty of advice to others about what to do & what to avoid, yet you criticise me for doing the same thing. A bit hypocritical don't you think?
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breakfastburrito, thank you for letting us all know how many hours you have. Congratulations.
Again, I am not doubting your good intentions, like you I also have the interests of others at heart when I warn others of something. The difference is I only warn people to stay away from something that I have personally experienced first-hand.
But then again maybe you are absolutely correct and in a couple of years we will see bankrupt Jr FOs at J* as a result of this scheme. For now though, this scheme is not going anywhere and the fact that these are gaining such momentum all over the world should tell you something.
Again, I am not doubting your good intentions, like you I also have the interests of others at heart when I warn others of something. The difference is I only warn people to stay away from something that I have personally experienced first-hand.
But then again maybe you are absolutely correct and in a couple of years we will see bankrupt Jr FOs at J* as a result of this scheme. For now though, this scheme is not going anywhere and the fact that these are gaining such momentum all over the world should tell you something.
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This might be a good idea for those who have just departed school and have age on their side, it could be possible to earn an 'average' wage by the time you are 24 and have a respectable amount of autopilot experience, but for those with a few more years or those who want a life, not a good idea at all.
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Jetstar ACP progress
Does anyone have any information about how the Advanced Cadet process is going following the interviews that have been held so far? How often interviews will be held etc?
I know a few people that have had interviews but no one that has been successful so far. I know lots of people are anti- the whole concept, but given the option of juggling multiple GA and non-flying jobs for almost minimum wage, vs a single job where they actually get to fly regularly - even if it has a long bond - I can see why people are applying.
1000hrs & 200 multi & IFR experience means nothing anymore, you work towards this and then struggle for another couple of years to get a turbo-prop FO job, and then if lucky make captain a few years later, and then if you feel like you'd like to progress to a jet, you need to get out the cheque book for a pre-paid type rating as required by companies like PB or Jet Connect, or sit on a 'yes' letter for years with a flag-carrier, none of these schemes are everything they are cracked up to be, but the alternatives aren't that much rosier in some places!
I know a few people that have had interviews but no one that has been successful so far. I know lots of people are anti- the whole concept, but given the option of juggling multiple GA and non-flying jobs for almost minimum wage, vs a single job where they actually get to fly regularly - even if it has a long bond - I can see why people are applying.
1000hrs & 200 multi & IFR experience means nothing anymore, you work towards this and then struggle for another couple of years to get a turbo-prop FO job, and then if lucky make captain a few years later, and then if you feel like you'd like to progress to a jet, you need to get out the cheque book for a pre-paid type rating as required by companies like PB or Jet Connect, or sit on a 'yes' letter for years with a flag-carrier, none of these schemes are everything they are cracked up to be, but the alternatives aren't that much rosier in some places!
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Doing a bit of research for an ex student of mine who has no net access at the moment & has an upcoming ACP interview with CTC in Hamilton.
He was wondering what's involved in the testing, interview, sim etc?
If anyone who has been for an interview can PM me some details that would be helpful.
And I know, I know I should be telling him not to do it etc etc but each to their own.....
He was wondering what's involved in the testing, interview, sim etc?
If anyone who has been for an interview can PM me some details that would be helpful.
And I know, I know I should be telling him not to do it etc etc but each to their own.....
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27/09 
The cadetship is an excellent opportunity for young aspiring pilots!!!
Regardless of your arguements, the training is done through on of the, if not the most reputable and well regarded flight schools in the world (OAA). They are well funded, resourced, experienced and established. All training is done to a high standard that incorporate airline standard operating procedures (SOPs) into the training.
A few theory subjects are done through Swinburne University of Technology, a university that has modern facilities and has well established Aviation programs.
Upon successful completion of training, cadets do a A320 type rating that admittedly is more expensive than it could be. Then into a $58,831 a year job (more than most pilots who graduate from flight school and have to go out bush to get enough hours for airlines to take them seriously, try $35699-$42000 for many years). This goes up to $89,980 after 2 years once the pilot has their ATPL.
Plus, they are guaranteed a job as a pilot for 6 years in the airline. Job security in aviation alone is priceless!!!
I win!!!!
The cadetship is an excellent opportunity for young aspiring pilots!!!
Regardless of your arguements, the training is done through on of the, if not the most reputable and well regarded flight schools in the world (OAA). They are well funded, resourced, experienced and established. All training is done to a high standard that incorporate airline standard operating procedures (SOPs) into the training.
A few theory subjects are done through Swinburne University of Technology, a university that has modern facilities and has well established Aviation programs.
Upon successful completion of training, cadets do a A320 type rating that admittedly is more expensive than it could be. Then into a $58,831 a year job (more than most pilots who graduate from flight school and have to go out bush to get enough hours for airlines to take them seriously, try $35699-$42000 for many years). This goes up to $89,980 after 2 years once the pilot has their ATPL.
Plus, they are guaranteed a job as a pilot for 6 years in the airline. Job security in aviation alone is priceless!!!
I win!!!!
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I know that this thread is long dead, but, how much does the acp cadetship cost? Also I've done MCC in the uk as part of my jaa licence and am getting a conversion to casa, would I have to do MCC again part of the training for e cadet ship? Plus could I pay for the course upfront if I have the money, and if so would my salary go up from 58k a year to a higher amount? (as I'm basing that 58k is salary sacrificed from the loan from jetstar to pay for the type rating?
