Jetstar to start recruiting
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Jetstar to start recruiting
So does anyone have any concrete information on the numbers they are taking over the next 6 months/year and what sort of contracts/EBAs they are rumoured to offer for the Aussie bases?
See on the recruitment site instead of Jetstar australia/NZ/Sing being individual it's all been put under a single 'Jetstar group' with some rather interesting dot points that make up minimum requirements.
Going to be interesting times ahead!
See on the recruitment site instead of Jetstar australia/NZ/Sing being individual it's all been put under a single 'Jetstar group' with some rather interesting dot points that make up minimum requirements.
Going to be interesting times ahead!
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Perhaps they think that there will soon be a cadet shortage??
Re the minimums:
As this is a 'Group' appointment it is JQ's view that the only industrial instrument that Jetstar Group is bound by is the Modern Air Pilots Award 2010. It is 'considering applications' before they have to appear against AFAP and AIPA before Fair Work Australia and they get told that the EBA extends to all Australian Jetstar Companies!!
A devious move - not sure it will stick though!!
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ps Minimums seem terribly high considering they are letting 200 hour cadets have a bash in the right hand seat. If 200 hours is really the minimum experience required to do the job anything higher would be nothing short of descrimination or is it just double standards??
Hey Bruce, If you want to do things the European way then don't just pick and choose which parts you like and which parts you don't. I Europe minimum hours for recruitment are virtually non existant as long as you have the licence and ratings.
Re the minimums:
A person will not be appointed unless Jetstar is satisfied that the person's employment with Jetstar will at all times be subject only to those industrial instruments which bind Jetstar at the time it considers the person's application.
A devious move - not sure it will stick though!!
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ps Minimums seem terribly high considering they are letting 200 hour cadets have a bash in the right hand seat. If 200 hours is really the minimum experience required to do the job anything higher would be nothing short of descrimination or is it just double standards??
Hey Bruce, If you want to do things the European way then don't just pick and choose which parts you like and which parts you don't. I Europe minimum hours for recruitment are virtually non existant as long as you have the licence and ratings.
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That is what they are trying to do. An attempt is being made to attract applications from potential new hires into a Company called 'Jetstar Group' under a bastardised Award rather than the EBA.
The devil is in the detail, it is not appointed candidates it is all candidates that are even considered. I would imagine that is order to 'satisfy' them prior to appointment you will be asked to sign a legally binding undertaking to such an effect.
I understand AFAP and Jetstar have an appointment with Fairwork very soon. but any finding of the Commissioner may be affected by the presence of a seperate legally binding undertaking entered into freely, however this will depend of the content of any such undertaking being entered into.
BEWARE!!
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That is what they are trying to do. An attempt is being made to attract applications from potential new hires into a Company called 'Jetstar Group' under a bastardised Award rather than the EBA.
The devil is in the detail, it is not appointed candidates it is all candidates that are even considered. I would imagine that is order to 'satisfy' them prior to appointment you will be asked to sign a legally binding undertaking to such an effect.
I understand AFAP and Jetstar have an appointment with Fairwork very soon. but any finding of the Commissioner may be affected by the presence of a seperate legally binding undertaking entered into freely, however this will depend of the content of any such undertaking being entered into.
BEWARE!!
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So what about the guys that have been on the hold file for the past year who were told during the initial phone interview that they are interviewing for an Aussie base, on the Aussie EBA, with a base pay of xxx.??
Will they fall under this new system or will they be given what they interviewed for?
Is it even legal under FWA to do this??
Will they fall under this new system or will they be given what they interviewed for?
Is it even legal under FWA to do this??
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Not sure of the specifics in that case but would have thought, given their past performance that it is unlikely that JQ will honour what has been said previously.
If it were me in charge of JQ and I had the same agenda as those in these positions now (not my true values) I would be emptying the hold file and inviting those previously successful candidates to re-apply and advising them that by re-applying their applications would be looked on favourably.
Then piss off the EBA guys to the point where they eventually all leave. I call it EBA cleansing!!!
Or am I being too synical??
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ps My feeling is that 'Jetstar Group' is being set up as no more than a pilot labour agency that has a written contract to supply pilots to the airline companies within the group. This gives the airline companies the option to hire and fire individuals as it pleases as the contracts of employment are between the pilot and the 'Agency'. The Agency has a legitimate reason to sack you because 'the client does not want you'. Or, if the 'Agency' loses the contract for say 'Australian bases' due to a downturn in work or seasonal fluctuationis it may be offerred 'New Zealand Bases' and all pilots have to relocate or face losing their job with the 'Agency' .No different to the Parc Aviations of the industry.
Australian IR system undermined!!!
If it were me in charge of JQ and I had the same agenda as those in these positions now (not my true values) I would be emptying the hold file and inviting those previously successful candidates to re-apply and advising them that by re-applying their applications would be looked on favourably.
Then piss off the EBA guys to the point where they eventually all leave. I call it EBA cleansing!!!
Or am I being too synical??
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ps My feeling is that 'Jetstar Group' is being set up as no more than a pilot labour agency that has a written contract to supply pilots to the airline companies within the group. This gives the airline companies the option to hire and fire individuals as it pleases as the contracts of employment are between the pilot and the 'Agency'. The Agency has a legitimate reason to sack you because 'the client does not want you'. Or, if the 'Agency' loses the contract for say 'Australian bases' due to a downturn in work or seasonal fluctuationis it may be offerred 'New Zealand Bases' and all pilots have to relocate or face losing their job with the 'Agency' .No different to the Parc Aviations of the industry.
Australian IR system undermined!!!
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Perhaps there is another reason for Jetstar recruiting Oz based pilots!
As Qantas/Jetstar management have been working on moving flying to non Oz based pilots, it seems strange that they suddenly start employing pilots for Australian bases. It could be in anticipation of a backlash from the politicians as a result of the Senate Inquiry (thanks Senator X) but another possibility is to quickly increase the number of pilots available to be used as strike breakers when the QF mainline LH pilots commence PIA in their attempt to secure jobs and career progression.
All Jetstar pilots need to consider their response very carefully because the only way that we'll be able to have long careers as Australian based pilots is to stand united against this narcissistic management who appear hell bent on destroying this great company.
All Jetstar pilots need to consider their response very carefully because the only way that we'll be able to have long careers as Australian based pilots is to stand united against this narcissistic management who appear hell bent on destroying this great company.
Agree with you High To Low, unfortunately many of us here myself included whilst think it is disgusting, know that someone will come along and accept it. It is that individual/s that with ultimately bring down the whole pyramid of fair work and fair pay in aviation.
Your right, it just keeps getting worse!
Your right, it just keeps getting worse!
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.....and hence why Joyce doesn't want the 'Job Security' clauses in the EBA's that would require the company to ensure that any contract for services it enters into with an employment agency stipulates that the Agency must pay the same rates of pay / conditions as those directly employed.
Is the big picture becoming any clearer??
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Is the big picture becoming any clearer??
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Well it does have some round about connection as it is the same company as Impulse Airlines Pty Ltd who was perhaps the first to try out this arrangement.
It is just with the airline name it is not just so obvious.
From the ASIC website:
Interesting that the previous name was Team Jetstar, the Cabin Crew company and look what has happenned to them since.
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It is just with the airline name it is not just so obvious.
From the ASIC website:
NameJETSTAR GROUP PTY LIMITED
ACN003 901 353
ABN64 003 901 353
Type Australian Proprietary Company, Limited By Shares
Registration Date20/11/1989
Next Review Date18/01/2012
Status Registered
Locality of Registered OfficeMascot NSW 2020
Jurisdiction Australian Securities & Investments Commission
Previous StateNSW
Previous Number46644711
Former Name(s)
TEAM JETSTAR PTY LIMITED
IMPULSE COMMUNICATIONS PTY LIMITED
AIR FREIGHT AND DISTRIBUTION SERVICES PTY LIMITED
IMPULSE FREIGHT & DISTRIBUTION SERVICES PTY LIMITED
IMPULSE FREIGHT SERVICES PTY. LIMITED
IMPULSE AIRLINES PTY LIMITED
IMPULSE TRANSPORTATION GROUP PTY. LIMITED
IMPULSE AIR CHARTER PTY. LIMITED
WINGDEED PTY. LIMITED
ACN003 901 353
ABN64 003 901 353
Type Australian Proprietary Company, Limited By Shares
Registration Date20/11/1989
Next Review Date18/01/2012
Status Registered
Locality of Registered OfficeMascot NSW 2020
Jurisdiction Australian Securities & Investments Commission
Previous StateNSW
Previous Number46644711
Former Name(s)
TEAM JETSTAR PTY LIMITED
IMPULSE COMMUNICATIONS PTY LIMITED
AIR FREIGHT AND DISTRIBUTION SERVICES PTY LIMITED
IMPULSE FREIGHT & DISTRIBUTION SERVICES PTY LIMITED
IMPULSE FREIGHT SERVICES PTY. LIMITED
IMPULSE AIRLINES PTY LIMITED
IMPULSE TRANSPORTATION GROUP PTY. LIMITED
IMPULSE AIR CHARTER PTY. LIMITED
WINGDEED PTY. LIMITED
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No those individuals are being shafted equally with the rest of the J* pilots. The people organising this next chapter of "How stupid are You?" make the Impulse/ACC people look like Mother Teresa!
GB I think the reason they are recruiting is that they have caught themselves out with the cadet debacle and have Captains running out of 365 day totals. If LH do take PIA the J* pilots will be subject to secondary boycott restrictions so won't be legally allowed to stop work but that doesn't mean you won't be supported!
GB I think the reason they are recruiting is that they have caught themselves out with the cadet debacle and have Captains running out of 365 day totals. If LH do take PIA the J* pilots will be subject to secondary boycott restrictions so won't be legally allowed to stop work but that doesn't mean you won't be supported!
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So anyone know whether all this is possible with FWA rules in Oz etc or is more so a scare tactic to see just how low they can drop T&C's??
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This smells alot like the way Impulse recruiting was operated in the 90's I remember getting letters back from them that went along these lines. "Thank you for your application your information has been assesed by
Carry Box P/L
Dust Box P/L
And 4 or 5 odd sounding names."
It never made much sense to me but I think it had something to do with the fact that as an impulse pilot you didn't actually work for impulse but some sort of contract company.
Carry Box P/L
Dust Box P/L
And 4 or 5 odd sounding names."
It never made much sense to me but I think it had something to do with the fact that as an impulse pilot you didn't actually work for impulse but some sort of contract company.
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QANTAS to start redundancies
Well jetstar is to start recuriting
"Jetstar captains approaching 365 day maximums"
QF short haul pilots approaching 365 day minimums.
After the war everyone got better than the 29.27% payrise because the contract was based on 55 hours.
We've all just lost 20% of those gains because no one ever bothered to lock in a better minimum.
"Jetstar captains approaching 365 day maximums"
QF short haul pilots approaching 365 day minimums.
After the war everyone got better than the 29.27% payrise because the contract was based on 55 hours.
We've all just lost 20% of those gains because no one ever bothered to lock in a better minimum.