Jetstar to start recruiting

[Mr. Hat]

Imagine working for a company that spends 25 out of 24 hours trying to find a way around the agreed eba conditions. You think its bad now? Just imagine how bright the future will be .

[breakfastburrito]

Virgin is a viable option, particularly for 737 FO's with zero prospect of moving to another type. Those that jump first get the best advantage.

[porch monkey]

And still they'll come........ That is the sad part

[rmcdonal]

Bit of a misleading title.

breakfastburrito: I was of the impression that all new Virgin entrants would be onto the E-Jet?

[Jack Ranga]

Porch is right. If Jetstar started an ICUS scheme with no promise of a job at the end they would come in droves.

[breakfastburrito]

rmcdonal, I wonder what the difference between QF B737 base pay (realistically in perpetuity) vs flying a full line E-Jet with virgin, with the prospect of getting back to B737 is? That is the question.

[arena1]

Does anyone have any concrete info as to whether applicants will be placed on the Aussy EBA or individual contracts????

[Jack Ranga]

ICUS is next mate.

[waren9]

There is no concrete info because Jetstar themselves dont know what they're doing.

"Modern Award contract" only offered because the "paid in NZ-live and work in Aus" cadet scheme got a bit embarrassing in the S. Inquiry.

They are living day to day in there and what one applicant gets told and posts here will be different to the next applicant.

There are no promises, there is nothing concrete, even a contract you do sign may be whipped out from under you ala the NZ cadets.

Get some very solid legal advice of your own before signing your name to anything Jetstar.

[Mr. Hat]

I guess the plan is to sit on the limit of what the Federal Government will accept at the time (keep pushing) until eventually you have 15 year old students from impoverished contries getting paid in rupiah sitting in the RHS.

[The Green Goblin]

The plan is to trash conditions enough, destroy the moral of the Pilots, turn over most of the EBA guys and if they want to stay, they have to sign a contract for an upgrade etc.

After it turns out less and less Pilots will put up with this crap and they can't get enough Pilots, they will cry poor to the minister and have cadets and pay to fly schemes of their choosing. This is the end game.

What we need to do is to get some sort of representation on the board ASAP.

It's already been proven that management have no social conscience, and no problems telling lies in a senate enquiry. How are unions supposed to negotiate with these people in good faith? How can anybody believe what they say?

[WorthWhat]

Board representation not backed by share holders won’t change anything.

[jarden]

Are JQ going on a big expansion, so may need a few more staff. How many new deliveries do they expect to get this year?

[aulglarse]

Thread drift but.....

Does anyone know what is the AFAP doing under the current climate?

[The Kelpie]

Aulglarse

thread drift but...

..on the contrary I think AFAP shoudl be more open to members about what they are doing. Obviously the details may be commercially sensitive but they could certainly keep members appraised generally about what they are doing. Silence gives the impression they are doing very little although I doubt this is the case.

I understand AFAP and Jetstar have an appointment with Fairwork Australia very soon in relation to JQ's attempts to have pilots flying from Australian bases under some form of agreement other that the agreed EBA.

Hopefully they will brief us soon.

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The Kelpie

[Mr. Hat]

fair bit of silence during some of the goings on during the senate inquiry...

[High_To_Low]

So when exactly is the senate report supposed to become made available publicly?
Maybe JQ is waiting to see the findings...

[Roger Greendeck]

The question is, what are the Jetstar Pilot Group' doing about it? The most common complaint on PPRuNe over the years is that people will take reduced conditions. The inference being, if not stated outright, that those on the outside should take the hit in order to sustain conditions on the inside. Remember the conditions only have to be better than what an applicant is in now, not what it's like compared to those already employed on conditions no longer available to applicants.

If those in Jetstar don't want their conditions eroded or for that matter the pilots in any airline it is up to the pilots working there to protect the conditions.

[The Guru]

Read Pprune and ye shall find

The question is, what are the Jetstar Pilot Group' doing about it? The most common complaint on PPRuNe over the years is that people will take reduced conditions......If those in Jetstar don't want their conditions eroded or for that matter the pilots in any airline it is up to the pilots working there to protect the conditions.

Roger, This is exactly what The Kelpie and others have been doing. There has been no shortage of education to the industry and public of the degradation of conditions, tax avoidance, and offshoring strategy that Jetstar have undertaken.

The problem is these warnings go unheeded and then join the company with unrealistic expectations...and then this happens with a http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-reporting...det-fired.html. You cannot join and then expect better terms once you are through the front door, and a poor attitude, and an expectation that you are better than your peers will not gain you any respect in this company.

[Roger Greendeck]

Agreed that a poor attitude and an expectation that you are better than your peers does you no favours and I agree that there are guys here and in other places trying to get the message out about what the conditions actually are but any strategy that relies on people outside the company 'just saying no!' is doomed to failure.

You say that you can't join and expect it to get better, but not joining and hoping it gets better isn't working so well either. Would a pilot who decided not to join Jetstar two years ago in silent protest be better off if he or she joined now?