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Old 20th Feb 2018, 11:07
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Originally Posted by Chocks Away View Post
Please stop saying DHC8-300's are "Classics".
DHC8-100's can loosely be termed as such but generally it has been a term used for B737's & 747's etc.
Technically it's for airframes constructed after September 1945, up to and including December 31, 1955. There after are termed "contemporary" etc etc.
I know what you're trying to say but the 300's still have partial glass displays and you make me feel older when you say it
I prefer classic as ‘club contemporary’ just sounds, well, gay.

Quite insane how pilots are still on bypass pay. It really grinds my gears when we bust our arses to save fuel only to have those savings poured into things like bypass pay because of poor resource planning.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 03:40
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Originally Posted by knobbycobby View Post
What’s a plumber on these days about $200k plus.
A decent builder $400k plus.
Head of Qantas domestic $8,800,000
CEO $25,000,000
It's a myth trades people earn this kind of money.

I know a few plumbers from the footy club and they make about 1/3 of what you've quoted. Know a few builders too and I'm sure they'd have a good laugh at the suggestion of earning $400k.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 09:07
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Originally Posted by peterc005 View Post
It's a myth trades people earn this kind of money.

I know a few plumbers from the footy club and they make about 1/3 of what you've quoted. Know a few builders too and I'm sure they'd have a good laugh at the suggestion of earning $400k.
But ask how much Tax they’re paying. Not much!! While most Pilots are paying 47c in the $1.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 09:34
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Originally Posted by Break Right View Post
But ask how much Tax they’re paying. Not much!! While most Pilots are paying 47c in the $1.
Thats the marginal rate.

IF the pilot earns more than 180K THEN they pay 47c per dollar over and above 180k.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 09:35
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That's something Australian banks fail to understand.

I you earn a wage from a company you are able to borrow money up to 80% (more or less) the value of your income.

If you have your own business, then they generally allow half your income but they double the interest rate - in effect you are only allowed 25% of your income in loan repayments. This is insane. But even worse - if you earn say $100kpa from an airline (which I do not believe is without risk) you pay (in Oz) around 30% tax. Roughly. Then you pay rent, computers, cars etc. If you earn $100kpa from your own business, first of all I would suggest you are an idiot, but IF you are that successful that you can't avoid earning $100kpa, that is after your house/car/travel expenses (holidays) and tools are paid for.

You are persecuted for being 'smart' in Australia (and the US) and helped by banks who 'want' that salary.

Frankly, I see working for anyone as inherently risky. I work for someone else, I know I'm going to be sacked before them. If I work for myself I won't be sacked. This is the fundamental difference I have with the finance and governance industry in Australia. It's killing the economy and so few realise how. If you own your own business you are screwed and are excluded from access to easy credit.

Just putting it out there - personally, working for a self enriching, cost cutting tool with zero inspiring attributes (Qf's Joyce) is something that almost has me dry reaching every time I think about it, but I can understand why people put up with the garbage emanating from the QCCC injecting room cubicles and take the salary. If you are depressed enough in your outlook to accept that as your 'lot' may I suggest you set about inoculating yourself against psychotic morons as quickly as you can. Get the job, then spend every dollar you can gaining an asset base to enable you to say 'FU' - cleverly done it should take 10 years, 15 at the outside.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 20:28
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set about inoculating yourself against psychotic morons as quickly as you can. Get the job, then spend every dollar you can gaining an asset base to enable you to say 'FU' - cleverly done it should take 10 years, 15 at the outside.
Many of the Captains I interact socially with are doing exactly that. Thinking long and hard about how they are spending their money, making sure it’s going to work for them rather than buying more toys, and working towards an FU status. These are guys who just a few short years ago enjoyed their work, were mildly proud of their company, and envisioned remaining in the game until retirement.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 01:44
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Many of the Captains I interact socially with are doing exactly that. Thinking long and hard about how they are spending their money, making sure it’s going to work for them rather than buying more toys, and working towards an FU status.
I haven't posted for a while but I'd like to third that comment, however it's not just Captains, I see F/O's thinking the same way and S/O's who don't take promotion as they too are just counting the dollars to get out.

Most pilots are just so over the combative nature of Qantas industrial philosophy.
We are industrially fatigued. How they hell HR thought of threatening the SH pilots EBA with the 787 slots is truly pathetic.
People in HR have destroyed engagement as they justify their sad, angry, latte slurping existence.

Relations/Engagement, with the pilot body, can not improve whilst we spend all our time feeling under constant attack from one EBA into the next.

Lets go for a 100% NO vote this year!
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 17:54
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Originally Posted by Chocks Away View Post
Please stop saying DHC8-300's are "Classics".
DHC8-100's can loosely be termed as such but generally it has been a term used for B737's & 747's etc.
Technically it's for airframes constructed after September 1945, up to and including December 31, 1955. There after are termed "contemporary" etc etc.
I know what you're trying to say but the 300's still have partial glass displays and you make me feel older when you say it

Lol in the maintenance world the term Classic is used to describe the -1, 2, and 300 series Dash8. It was actually started by the OEM.
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Old 29th Mar 2018, 02:25
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At my mob, we now refer to the A330 as 'the classic'
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Old 29th Mar 2018, 05:26
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It's a myth trades people earn this kind of money.

I know a few plumbers from the footy club and they make about 1/3 of what you've quoted. Know a few builders too and I'm sure they'd have a good laugh at the suggestion of earning $400k.
Personally I'm not so sure. Have you looked at the cars they drive and the houses they live in? Many are on one household income too

My educated guess is take whatever number a good tradie tells you he makes then double it. Which after tax is a hellva lot more than a pilot makes with alot less of the heartache but alot more hard physical work.
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Old 29th Mar 2018, 10:28
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
Personally I'm not so sure. Have you looked at the cars they drive and the houses they live in? Many are on one household income too
Not according to the ATO where the spouse of a tradie is invariably paid a handsome amount to be the 'book keeper', or 'director', or 'accountant', or 'office manager', etc. I'd LOVE to be able to income split like a tradie does... but then I'd actually have to get a real job and not this one that pays pretty well even if I can't income split!
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Old 29th Mar 2018, 12:37
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If you have a look here the average plumber gets $60k to $80k, which is what I expected:

https://www.livingin-australia.com/p...ary-australia/

The plumbers I know are doing ok, but I see no signs of wealth. No new BMWs or flash houses.

I know crane drivers working on CBD sites making $150k a year, but they work 60 hours a week making good money in a boom with no job security.

Let's consider the maths for a tradesman:
work 250 days a year
work 8 hours a day (2,000 hours a year)
would need $200 an hour to make $400,000 a year (assumes no expenses and self-employed)

I can't, and haven't seen, a tradie earning $400k a year.
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Old 29th Mar 2018, 21:08
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Originally Posted by peterc005 View Post
I can't, and haven't seen, a tradie earning $400k a year.
Sure you have. Just turn on channel 9 and you'll see Scotty Cam's smiling face kicking around his $5 million Vaucluse home.

Can we get back to discussing pilot, not tradie salaries now?
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Old 29th Mar 2018, 23:23
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Builders make about $100 an hour. Not sure if they pay tax or not. I'd imagine most trades pay tax on some jobs and not on others. Trades are not the only areas where people evade tax. What about "cash only" down at the food court?

These days you can get a dongle that does bluetooth to your iPhone/Android and this allows you to tap your credit card on the phone. I've used this, it works better than eftpos. (this is what credit card skimmers use on the subway in europe btw).

The issue isn't the trade, the shop or the person. The issue is the Australian Government and it's inability to do what needs to be done. It's all about getting re-elected, our system isn't working.

This is how it should run:

1. ALL businesses must use either an eftpos machine or smartphone dongle equivalent.
2. Cash phased out.

The result is that everyone is forced to electronically record every transaction and crime decreases.

The reality is that with an ageing population the current slice of taxpayers can no longer sustain the burden. The net needs to be widened so it includes everyone the same way it does the wage earner.
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Old 30th Mar 2018, 00:03
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Builders make $100 per hr! Incorrect. They charge you $100 per hr,and out of that they pay wages to employee say $34,vehicle expenses,office expenses,insurances, superannuation,sick leave,holiday leave, plant and equiptment maintenance. phone expenses.bank fees, interest on loans for materials/plant etc,licence fees,rent. The business owner would be lucky to make $20/hr/ employee. Unlike you head in the sand lot that just take your pay each week and moan how hard you have it.
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Old 30th Mar 2018, 03:37
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Originally Posted by mostlytossas View Post
Builders make $100 per hr! Incorrect. They charge you $100 per hr,and out of that they pay wages to employee say $34,vehicle expenses,office expenses,insurances, superannuation,sick leave,holiday leave, plant and equiptment maintenance. phone expenses.bank fees, interest on loans for materials/plant etc,licence fees,rent. The business owner would be lucky to make $20/hr/ employee. Unlike you head in the sand lot that just take your pay each week and moan how hard you have it.
I should have been more specific. Wasn't sure if this was take home or not. My point was that it wasn't that much.

You're making sweeping statements about people having heads in the sand and complaining. I was actually pointing out that "cash" work wasn't only trades.

I've worked a trade for a few years to save the money to learn to fly whilst doing night school. I then put myself through uni. After that I went bush for years building up hours. Today I sit exactly where I aimed to be. There are some tough days when I complain about it but thats pretty normal. I wouldn't swap with anyone.

Do I earn what I should? Probably not. Am I free to leave? Absolutely.

There are a few however, that really should leave as they don't enjoy it.
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Old 30th Mar 2018, 05:01
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Then my apologies. However reading your post one could be excused for thinking you not only believe tradies to be ripping people off but avoiding tax too.
The above items are all legit deductions before tax as they are incurred running the business trying to make a profit so can pay tax. Don't start me on unbillable hours either. Such as quoting jobs,building applications prior to starting,ordering materials,certificate of compliance on completion, compiling info such as reciepts for tax (GST) etc . And yes I used to do that too but no more. Guess why?
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Old 30th Mar 2018, 07:03
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Just confirming this is an aviation forum about 'Australian Airline Wages Compilation'??
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 02:25
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Don't start me on unbillable hours either. Such as quoting jobs,building applications prior to starting,ordering materials,certificate of compliance on completion, compiling info such as reciepts for tax (GST) etc . And yes I used to do that too but no more. Guess why?
Did you leave and fly for a living now? I hope so.

If you did you would know about the time professional pilots put in at the desk at home either keeping up with procedure changes studying for sim, ep's etc. The list goes on and on. I don't think we can go two days without a company notice coming out in addition to the never ending notam changes. Add to the the incessant manual changes, the eyes glaze over at these work creation schemes. No wonder nobody turns up to roadshows. Having said that, its part of the job and nobody is holding a gun to our head so smile and nod gratefully.

Just confirming this is an aviation forum about 'Australian Airline Wages Compilation'??
It is vortex, I'm changing my nickname to "thread drifter". Been on PPRuNe for over 20 years (had a different name) so I get bored and get chatting. Sorry.
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 03:01
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Yes Bereal well aware of the endless paperwork. Not confined to aviation either by the way. The one difference however is that airline pilots nearly always have lay days/on standby days call it what you will,whereby they get paid to stay at home in readiness to come in should someone call in sick etc. This is when you should do your paperwork as your being paid by your employer and not on your own time. Just saying that's all that it is not a bad deal. I am sorry for the tread drift also I just get so annoyed went I hear of stupid claims how tradies are so well paid in comparison to pilots (read airline not GA ).
I will now cease to comment further due drift. Happy flying.
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