Australian Airline wages compilation
Continuation from VB Pilot Recruitment thread-
Maybe a good idea to have a thread where the base salaries (therefore not the average "remuneration package" and hopefully avoiding any potential legal issues surrounding publicly available information) are collated into the one thread. This information would be hugely valuable to those contemplating a change of employer or indeed for the benefit of those having to negotiate fairer agreements. If any of these figures are incorrect please let us know! Also would be great to find out either anonymously or through a post those with agreements that arent on FWA website 1st Year Base Salary Rates- QANTAS 767 Captain - $227,760 737 F/O - $114,000 Virgin Blue A330 Captain - $193,000 A330 F/O - $126,000 737 Captain - $190,334 737 F/O - $104,684 E-jet Captain - $152,267 E-jet F/O - $83,747 V Australia B777 Captain - $207,934 B777 F/O - $120,924 B777 S/O - $61,285 Jetstar A330 Captain - $180,871 A330 F/O - $99,480 A320 Captain - $158,659 A320 F/O- $87,626 Tiger A320 Captain - $122,120 A320 F/O - $81,800 Strategic A330 Captain A330 F/O A320 Captain A320 F/O - $113,000 Cobham B717 Captain - $144,000 B717 F/O - $78,288 BAe 146 Captain - $144,000 BAe 146 F/O - $78,288 DHC-8 Captain - $78,255 DHC-8 F/O - $46,940 Coastwatch DHC-8 Captain - $109,902 Coastwatch DHC-8 F/O - $65,941 Alliance F100 Captain - $122,675 F100 F/O - $82,819 F50 Captain F50 F/O Skywest A320 Captain - $165,000 A320 F/O - $107,250 F100 Captain - $128,848 F100 F/O - $83,751 F50 Captain - $97,244 F50 F/O - $63,209 Qantaslink Q400 Captain - $92,863 Q400 F/O - $60,361 Q300/Q200 Captain - $86,789 Q300/Q200 F/O - $56,466 Regional Express SF340 Captain - $76,322 SF340 F/O - $46,337 Aeropelican BAe32 Captain - $64,862 BAe32 F/O - $46,559 RFDS QLD B200, PC12, C208 Line pilot - Tier 1 $93784 Tier 2 $104817 Skippers DHC-8 Captain -$89,168 DHC-8 F/O - $50,253 E120 Captain - $88,816 E120 F/O - $50,253 SA227 Captain - $70,855 SA227 F/O - $42,537 Brindabella J41 Captain - $69,000 J41 F/O - $46,000 Metro Captain - $57,000 Metro F/O - $38,000 Express Freighters Australia B737 Captain - $120,000 B737 F/O - $75,000 B767 Captain - $170,000 B767 F/O - $110,000 Air North E170 Captain - E170 F/O - E120 Captain - E120 F/O - SA227 Captain - SA227 F/O - Skytrans DHC-8 Captain - DHC-8 F/O - Network F100 Captain - $140,000 F100 F/O - $85,000 E120 Captain - $85,000 E120 F/O - $55,000 Hardy Aviation Metro Captain - $75,000 Metro F/O - $52,000 C441 Captain - $70,000 I will endeavor to update this 'front' post. |
Alliance figures from 4- 5 years ago, FO $65000 and Captain $105000.
Might want to add Skywest ATR72 to the list. |
Strategic 320 F/O - 113
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Where are QF mainline figures? I figure it is a 'main' rpt operator.
Oh yeah, thats right!:} that salary is dead in the water and not worth adding to the list. In 3-5 years no-one will be earning that anyway. Lets put in Emirates as it will be the other 'main' rpt operator in oz. And lets be fair, apples to apples and all that. Lets compare 'packages'. After all, the girls are only interested in our 'packages'......:ok: That is a BIG thumb! |
Don't those V Australia salaries include superannuation?
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Virgin Tech B1 Lame - single rating.
$136,000 p.a. no shift penalties or further payments 6 weeks leave + super + staff travel |
Not sure as to the accuracy of these figures. Cobham 717 and 146 Captain are $144,000 until June 2011 Not $105,000.
I like the concept, however apples to apples is important. As a suggestion to the thread starter, what do you think about breaking the table down into half a dozen columns of the most important issues, such as Base salary without super Level at which "overtime" cuts in and the hourly rate Callout allowance if work on RDO as examples. |
V Australia "offer" does include super and 3% 1st July rise. Equates to only a $5000 rise on current salary.
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I would like to have columns but I only have so many hours in the day! I removed V Aus as the offer is for current employees only and none of it is in concrete so its outside the criteria.
The basis of the numbers is: EBA document 1st year (so/fo/capt) No super June 11 there abouts. It started as an apples with apples comparison for a wanabee on another thread. Anyway this is Chadzats baby I can only amend my post not the top one. Skynews would that be for a first year captain? |
It's not my baby, I just provided a few numbers.
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Pay your AFAP membership fees and you will have access to all these EBAS.
Conditions are much more than the raw dollar figure. The small print in the EBAs determine your quality of life. I'd also suggest with flying pay, tigers salaries are higher than posted. they are certainly better than onestar. |
I think it's best to stick to base figures, as each persons personal choices such as working on day's off, number of overnights will change depending on bases and bids etc. Some are happy to work on days off and are chasing the money, while others want to be home. Some (in the case of DJ) bid for multi-day trip, while others bid for day trips. If it's kept at base figures then it's apples with apples. The base figures are fixed whereas the extra’s such as flight pay, overnight allowances, overtime are all variable and are subject to change by the individual or company (rostering etc).
I think one of the purposes of this thread is to compare wages between the airlines (and large GA companies) operating similar size aircraft and I think already we have seen some big differences and in some cases some very low wages for the size of the aircraft. It’s not about who took home the most. GG, Not all EBA's or the full EBA is available via the AFAP, Network for example has the EBA, but the pay figures have been removed. |
Thanks to those that have replied with updated figures.
Mr Hat- I hope Im not stealing your thunder here, its no-ones baby really, I just thought it might be a good idea to see all the baseline salaries in our industry at the moment in one post. Skynews- Excellent idea. I'll see how the thread goes for a few days and if we can fill all the current salary gaps, then the main "features" of each agreement will probably be added to that the reader can work out a representative total package. stainedpantystealer- I seem to recall from another thread it can get dangerous when actual total packages are posted on here, in particular it might have been a divorce settlement where the figures could be used as evidence against a pilot. I might be completely off the track with that one though. As i said, it is very much apples with apples at the moment in terms of this is the MINIMUM salary you could be paid over 12 months. Original post updated. |
What about retention bonus? That's guaranteed if you stayed on at J* 6% p.a.
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As Chadzat says its not anyones 'baby' and the idea is those with the info can copy the latest then update hopefully keeping the formatting for easy reading. The idea being that eventually all the gaps will be filled giving an apples with apples comparison for those that are interested. If you have figures chuck em in. I think for simplicity if overseas companies are to be included just put it in local currency.
As I've said and GG reiterated conditions are much more than base salary. In my last updated post I also provided the link to the document where the info was sourced (FWA) that is freely available to all members of the public. stainedpantystealer, under the Vb one I added a few small extras which give an idea of the whole package. I think it important to keep it as accurate, minimalist and easy to read as possible. Its not a mines bigger than yours or a 'they are bastards' thread. Just facts. |
Also if someone can provide a reasonably accurate base salary for Qantas mainline ops, please do. Its my understanding from reading the EBA that an "outsider" trying to work out a rough salary has no hope as things such as hours and allowances make up a large proportion of what is earned. Hence the reason why I havent put up the QF fleets.
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Perhaps a better way of presenting the information is as a range, ie
65/80/95 stick hours per months. This gives a more realistic comparison of income. This is quite easy to set up in a google doc spreadsheet with open read only access. Things such as retention bonus & super could also be included. |
If there is enough demand for it, I'll publish all these on a website I'm setting up.
I was thinking about doing something like this already, so would be a welcome addition. Thoughts? |
Wannabe, that would be great, we all contribute in the ways that we can around here. Do you have all the EBA's? It would be ideal to include the 2010 Air Pilots award as the base figures.
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Good idea wanna be.
What an excellent and enlightening post. |
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