Renamed & Merged: Qantas Severe Engine Damage Over Indonesia
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Sunfish said- If "The wiring was cut" was the reason No.1 engine couldn't be shut down, then considering that the engine has FADEC, are there duplicate wiring runs to it? Is the FADEC wiring anywhere near what was cut? How close was the aircraft to a double engine shut down on one wing?
FADEC is a system which is basically contained within the engine. There are no "FADEC" wiring running to the engine. The fact that the engine "command" wiring was cut, and the engine kept operating, although at idle power, comfirms the integrity and robustness of the engine and the FADEC system. The aircraft was NOT at all close to a double engine shutdown.
FADEC is a system which is basically contained within the engine. There are no "FADEC" wiring running to the engine. The fact that the engine "command" wiring was cut, and the engine kept operating, although at idle power, comfirms the integrity and robustness of the engine and the FADEC system. The aircraft was NOT at all close to a double engine shutdown.
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A380 engine explosion: Qantas boss blasts off-shore maintenance claim
Should SQ follow QF and ground A380s as well?
At least QF took the lead!
Mr Joyce said the exact cause of the engine failure was not yet known, but early investigations suggested it was a problem with the design of the engine rather than its maintenance.
At least QF took the lead!
FMU...
Eh? One blown up and the other at idle is close enough to a
if you ask me.
The fact that the engine "command" wiring was cut, and the engine kept operating, although at idle power, comfirms the integrity and robustness of the engine and the FADEC system.
double engine shutdown.
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I'm sorry, just because an aircraft is designed to be operated by a minimum of two crew doesn't mean three sets of qualified eyes isn't better than two. We've already been down this line of debate regarding jump seat pax.
The old "Three sets of eyes are better than two" argument died with the 767.
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Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
Come on guys and girls!
The crap that is being posted here is embarrassing!
The crap that is being posted here is embarrassing!
You should read the comments about this incident on the Daily Telegraph website
That aside, I think the ALAEA has not done itself any favours, here or elsewhere, by dragging their dispute with the Company into this incident. Their bogan-like attitude disgusts me.
A slight drift but why are so many quick to jump on the off-shore maintenance band-wagon? I've heard so many punters say they won't use QF because of 'overseas maintenance' and, in the same breath, say they travel on CX, SQ, EK etc. These deep thinkers, when asked where these airlines aircraft are maintained, just look dumb-struck and stupid when they realise their shallowness.
Well done to the lads who delivered in fine style, again.
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Capt Kremin,I think you missed my point.
Cost is not an issue because the S/O is already there on the flight regardless of pax loads.
Isn't it better to have a junior pilot such as a S/O on the flight deck instead of sitting in P/C watching a movie and I'm not talking about rest breaks.How else do you get experience unless of course we are talking about wine selection
Also as said by 404 Titan three sets of eyes will always be better than two regardless of flight deck design design and you might also add 4 engines are better than two.
Cost is not an issue because the S/O is already there on the flight regardless of pax loads.
Isn't it better to have a junior pilot such as a S/O on the flight deck instead of sitting in P/C watching a movie and I'm not talking about rest breaks.How else do you get experience unless of course we are talking about wine selection
Also as said by 404 Titan three sets of eyes will always be better than two regardless of flight deck design design and you might also add 4 engines are better than two
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What a surprising post from you Ken B.
Referring to people as "bogans" in a derogatory manner,
then referring to people as "lads". mmmmmmm.
Captain Ritchie must be one of your mates -eh ? same era I suspect
Referring to people as "bogans" in a derogatory manner,
then referring to people as "lads". mmmmmmm.
Captain Ritchie must be one of your mates -eh ? same era I suspect
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Red T-Bar. It is a cost. Night flying attracts extra credits. Pilots can be paxed up to 24 hours continuous tour of duty but if they operate they must get rest in a hotel. Hours operated count towards min crew rest/weekly/annual total requirements whilst hours paxed do not.
Offsetting the cost is the availability of premium seats. You'd have to talk to management about who comes out ahead.
I am not saying you don't have a point regarding getting experience. Years ago S/O's operated on all flights regardless of length. My first trip was a SYD-MEL-SYD and I actually learned a thing or two that helped later doing domestic flying. But those days have long gone.
Offsetting the cost is the availability of premium seats. You'd have to talk to management about who comes out ahead.
I am not saying you don't have a point regarding getting experience. Years ago S/O's operated on all flights regardless of length. My first trip was a SYD-MEL-SYD and I actually learned a thing or two that helped later doing domestic flying. But those days have long gone.
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By Ken Borough I've heard so many punters say they won't use QF because of 'overseas maintenance' and, in the same breath, say they travel on CX, SQ, EK etc.
A380 engine explosion: Qantas boss blasts off-shore maintenance claim
Mr Joyce said the exact cause of the engine failure was not yet known, but early investigations suggested it was a problem with the design of the engine rather than its maintenance.
Having said that, there has been a bank of incidents over the past few years at QF which are engineering related in my view. We don't hear the same issues happening at CX SQ & EK as we have from QF, which leads to the question, why is this so?
Although we don't have the facts to judge the reasons for yesterdays incident, it does in fact highlight the previous incidents that may indicate to some observers that something is NQR (not quite right) at the flying roo. I say this out of total respect for the pilots at QF who have handled all of the past incidents with great professionalism. After yesterdays shock I trust AJ who cheer-leads his pilots skills in the press translates to maintaining the value of keeping good pilots happy.I think that's the outcome people want to see on here.
What a surprising post from you Ken B.
Referring to people as "bogans" in a derogatory manner
Captain Ritchie must be one of your mates -eh ? same era I suspec
Now, back to the thread!
We don't hear the same issues happening at CX SQ & EK as we have from QF
Now if it was QF that lost the 747 instead of UPS, we would still be hearing about it.
Selective media beat-ups by jurnos who don't know
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Ken, I have a son a LAME, next time you are in port take the time to pop over to the Jet Base and have a little chat. You might find one of the finest Engineering units in the world has for the last ten years at the hands of Dixon etc, become a shadow of its former self, you might find exellent engineers looking outside the industry to get some satisfaction that they once had, you might find the frustration of engineers of receiving parts that for all intents and purposes were supposed to be maintained (overseas) and were anything but, you also might note the frustration of not having heavy maint, done in the one hangar, on the one computer, with a changeover of crews being able to hand from one to another, without a scramble for parts, information etc. in other words, a day in the life of a QF engineer is not what it used to be. All of my kids in moments of madness, decided to follow their ol man into the industry, whilst the pilots, are forever leaping up and down about something, the most frustrated is my young bloke, the engineer. He went into QF aged 18 years with all the excitement of a young bloke fullfilling a dream, and it continued for a while until Dixon.................... as they say the rest is history.
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Media Management 101
Agree that some of the reporting has been less than lousy, however we're all very quick to bag the media when in a lot of cases it's those involved in the incident that actually promotes some of the idiot writings.......
...........for instance....yesterday QF Media Management failed to:
1. Brief the media with authority (not Olivia Wirth who is an embarassment)
2. Educate the media by providing proper background - (i.e. facts, stats, myths - & not threatening to leave them in the dark if they write a bad story or ask a tough question)
3. Deploy and make available credible, professional subject matter experts that can 'guide' journos. Remember, we fly they don't - so the story is written and driven only by what content or actuality is available. Stonewall or feed the media garbage and you get garbage being written.
Good media management starts before any incident happens. By doing these things you actually control the information and therefore influence and control story.
QF does not do it well.
AT
...........for instance....yesterday QF Media Management failed to:
1. Brief the media with authority (not Olivia Wirth who is an embarassment)
2. Educate the media by providing proper background - (i.e. facts, stats, myths - & not threatening to leave them in the dark if they write a bad story or ask a tough question)
3. Deploy and make available credible, professional subject matter experts that can 'guide' journos. Remember, we fly they don't - so the story is written and driven only by what content or actuality is available. Stonewall or feed the media garbage and you get garbage being written.
Good media management starts before any incident happens. By doing these things you actually control the information and therefore influence and control story.
QF does not do it well.
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Its no wonder the public have such a distorted view of aviation safety.
All they have to reply on is the uninformed, sensationalist nonsense propagated by the mainstream media.... and the pro-company, anti-union spin from Alan Joyce and Olivia Worth.
All they have to reply on is the uninformed, sensationalist nonsense propagated by the mainstream media.... and the pro-company, anti-union spin from Alan Joyce and Olivia Worth.
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Qantas and engine maintenance
What QF doesn't like to say in public is that they made a deliberate decision, based on an accountants recommendations to close their Rolls Royce Centre of Excellence 18 months ago, based purely on an expected dollar bottom line basis. They had already planned to expand the test cell to facilitate bigger thrust engines and could have become THE south pacifics RRs one stop shop. The Qantas Engine Line had a formidable record of quality and engine reliability, with world records for longest on wing time for RR engines. When an engine had problems there was a plethora of experience available to lend a hand and give advice. Qantas EOC used to advise RR on how to fix problems.
Bean counters got in there and flushed the whole thing away. They didn't learn a thing from the Sydney Heavy Maintenance experience and the world of pain it caused them when the outsourced their 744 checks. The drop in reliability, the loss of experience, the pressure placed on the rest of the engineering system, the loss of an aircraft to cannibalise.
The 737 fleet is in the midst of the same crap - with the current check in Singapoor a month behind schedule.
Will they ever wake up?
Not till QF is a shelf company with 100% of all business outsourced- the dream situation from the consultant accounts view.
Bean counters got in there and flushed the whole thing away. They didn't learn a thing from the Sydney Heavy Maintenance experience and the world of pain it caused them when the outsourced their 744 checks. The drop in reliability, the loss of experience, the pressure placed on the rest of the engineering system, the loss of an aircraft to cannibalise.
The 737 fleet is in the midst of the same crap - with the current check in Singapoor a month behind schedule.
Will they ever wake up?
Not till QF is a shelf company with 100% of all business outsourced- the dream situation from the consultant accounts view.