Renamed & Merged: Qantas Severe Engine Damage Over Indonesia
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The (Q)ALAEA needs to get back in their box too. They are not doing themselves any favours at the moment....
So when do you suggest the ALAEA come out of the box, when (if) there is a smoking hole in the ground?
The (Q)ALAEA needs to get back in their box too. They are not doing themselves any favours at the moment....
So when do you suggest the ALAEA come out of the box, when (if) there is a smoking hole in the ground?
If they also took the cudgels to CASA and its political masters about the appalling back sliding, procrastination and other BS that has held up proper reform of the Regulations for the past decade +, more people would take them seriously. Instead, Australia has become a backwater for LAMEs
If the ALAEA is so keen to be in the media to push their point of view, why wasn't the disgraceful antics of AMSA that have come to light in recent weeks publicised? A major Asian airline has been lobbying the Federal Government for some years now for fifth freedom rights, but its engineering subsidiary thinks it's ok to trample all over Immigration rules to bring their own people in, because it is cheaper than employing and training locals.
Until the ALAEA gets serious about doing something constructive with the real problems that LAMEs in Australia face, they've lost my support.
Ok. Rant over.....
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Until the ALAEA gets serious about doing something constructive with the real problems that LAMEs in Australia face, they've lost my support
OK, newsflash.... who do you think the ALAEA or any union is for that matter? They are not some white knight who rides in at the 11th hour to fight the fight and banish the trolls in isolation. The ALAEA is the members, all members sticking together and striving for common goals. This is easier in a highly engaged worksite but damn near impossible in a fragmented and self seeking work site.
Think about what you posted and then think about what YOU can do to rectify YOUR situation. Whenever there are people who will not speak out or turn the other cheek or not be supportive, the association is weaker for it.
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He's probably gone back to playing with Beavis, who's missing his friend Butt Head.
Anyway Guys, we all have the sad news this morning of a crash in Pakistan and one in Cuba. Australia has always had a proud reputation of being one with safe skies and of being the lucky country.
It's good to see that this time, the reputation of both continues.
Anyway Guys, we all have the sad news this morning of a crash in Pakistan and one in Cuba. Australia has always had a proud reputation of being one with safe skies and of being the lucky country.
It's good to see that this time, the reputation of both continues.
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Maybe if the ALAEA did something serious about the disgraceful General Aviation Award, they might just attract some members back into the fold!
If they also took the cudgels to CASA and its political masters about the appalling back sliding, procrastination and other BS that has held up proper reform of the Regulations for the past decade +, more people would take them seriously. Instead, Australia has become a backwater for LAMEs
If the ALAEA is so keen to be in the media to push their point of view, why wasn't the disgraceful antics of AMSA that have come to light in recent weeks publicised? A major Asian airline has been lobbying the Federal Government for some years now for fifth freedom rights, but its engineering subsidiary thinks it's ok to trample all over Immigration rules to bring their own people in, because it is cheaper than employing and training locals.
Until the ALAEA gets serious about doing something constructive with the real problems that LAMEs in Australia face, they've lost my support.
If they also took the cudgels to CASA and its political masters about the appalling back sliding, procrastination and other BS that has held up proper reform of the Regulations for the past decade +, more people would take them seriously. Instead, Australia has become a backwater for LAMEs
If the ALAEA is so keen to be in the media to push their point of view, why wasn't the disgraceful antics of AMSA that have come to light in recent weeks publicised? A major Asian airline has been lobbying the Federal Government for some years now for fifth freedom rights, but its engineering subsidiary thinks it's ok to trample all over Immigration rules to bring their own people in, because it is cheaper than employing and training locals.
Until the ALAEA gets serious about doing something constructive with the real problems that LAMEs in Australia face, they've lost my support.
The ALAEA have been at CASA and have been involved in legal battles for over three years to bring them to account for their lack of oversight of maintenance facilities. The ALAEA members have stopped CASA in their tracks on introducing a damaging licence system for the GA sector by being involved and participating in making submissions on proposed legislation as individulas. The ALAEA is working actively with the GA associations and employers to get GA back on track.
The department of Immigration is aware of AMSA and their practices. They will do what they need to do.
The ALAEA has successfully coordinated an industry resarch project supported by not only unions but employers and the education sector to adequately define the real worth of aircraft maintenance to Australia. Both economic and social, committing not only time funds and resources but attracting almost a quarter of a million from the federal government on top.
The ALAEA hasn't been sitting on its hands and ignoring everything bar Qantas. The members that take an interest and read the newsletters know that. Maybe you should have a read sometime. If you are a member then YOU need to participate.
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According to the quoted reference below the inability to shutdown #1 is also classed as Hazardous Engine Effect even though it was a secondary effect. Yes Rolls Royce will be very busy with this one.
A superb job by the crew due to good training and experience. Well done fellas.
Quote: "There sure is. According to EASA Certification Specification Engine CSE 510 under “Safety Analysis” one of the failure definitions regarded as Hazardous Engine Effects is the non-containment of high energy debris.
And in CSE 520 “Strength”
(c) (1) The strength of the Engine must be such that the shedding of compressor or turbine blades, either singly or in likely combinations, will not result in a Hazardous Engine Effect
(d) Design consideration must be given to avoiding the risk of major rupture of Engine casings (particularly those which are subjected to high pressure loads) in the event of a local Failure in the casing or damage to the casing arising, for example, from a torching flame following a combustion system Failure.
EASA - European Aviation Safety Agency
So in a nutshell Rolls Royce, this is a big FAIL."
A superb job by the crew due to good training and experience. Well done fellas.
Quote: "There sure is. According to EASA Certification Specification Engine CSE 510 under “Safety Analysis” one of the failure definitions regarded as Hazardous Engine Effects is the non-containment of high energy debris.
And in CSE 520 “Strength”
(c) (1) The strength of the Engine must be such that the shedding of compressor or turbine blades, either singly or in likely combinations, will not result in a Hazardous Engine Effect
(d) Design consideration must be given to avoiding the risk of major rupture of Engine casings (particularly those which are subjected to high pressure loads) in the event of a local Failure in the casing or damage to the casing arising, for example, from a torching flame following a combustion system Failure.
EASA - European Aviation Safety Agency
So in a nutshell Rolls Royce, this is a big FAIL."
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Trent Engines Having Problems
The "grounding" of the QF A380s is purely just a PR thing.
You will see them flying in a couple of days time after "extensive checks have deemed them safe" or similar.
It is better for QF's abysmal public image to ground them for a few days "in the interest of safety" and wear the cost of the associated delays than to suffer even more public negativity if they just kept flying them.
"Safety" ??? It's PR spin... that's all.
Looking forward to the report. Will be good reading.
Fookin' bang she went!
Should have gone Boeing. Should have gone GE.
You will see them flying in a couple of days time after "extensive checks have deemed them safe" or similar.
It is better for QF's abysmal public image to ground them for a few days "in the interest of safety" and wear the cost of the associated delays than to suffer even more public negativity if they just kept flying them.
"Safety" ??? It's PR spin... that's all.
Looking forward to the report. Will be good reading.
Fookin' bang she went!
Should have gone Boeing. Should have gone GE.
Does anyone else see the irony and hypocrisy of the Board and senior management labelling QF and its staff as a "Legacy Airline" that is not part of the bright new Jetstar future, limiting career progression of experienced pilots, reducing salaries and qualifications required of new pilots, firing experienced engineering staff, outsourcing maintenance overseas and generally doing the generation Y management thing of removing anyone with enough experience to contradict their insane ideas?
....And then talking to the media about QF's "proud tradition" and safety record???????
.....and closing down an RR centre of engine maintenance excellence Eighteen months ago?
What in the name of hell?
....And then talking to the media about QF's "proud tradition" and safety record???????
.....and closing down an RR centre of engine maintenance excellence Eighteen months ago?
What in the name of hell?
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A very interesting take on the QF32 incident by Stephen Forshaw
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He makes a very good point with the following:
This begs the question; did Qantas tell CNBC television that the plane crashed, or did they say that the plane involved in an incident near Singapore was an Airbus A380? Did CNBC report that the plane crashed? Or did Reuters add that? Whichever, for 17 minutes until it was corrected, the impact of this crisis on Qantas’ reputation meant nothing to the families of the 400+ people on that flight, who would have been distraught and suffering a level of anguish that was entirely avoidable if a serious mistake in news reporting, like this one, didn’t occur.
And therein lies a warning: for all the principles that an organisation can follow to ensure its reputation is safeguarded, the speed of news, and the nature of wire services that measure speed against their competitors in seconds, means you can end up reacting to a crisis far worse in perception that reality. We all know speed compromises accuracy sometimes.
17 minutes is an age in the generation of new media: down the side bar of that Reuters webpage are buttons: Tweet This, Recommend or Share on Facebook, Share on LinkedIn, among others. One mouse click by a thousand people during the 17 minutes that story was uncorrected spreads the story to millions within seconds; most of whom will believe it as true because it comes from a credible source like Reuters.
That’s what happened yesterday. I, for one, would like to hear how that story ever appeared on the wires from a reputable news agency like Reuters; especially as it appeared without a crucial word in the story: Unconfirmed.
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He makes a very good point with the following:
This begs the question; did Qantas tell CNBC television that the plane crashed, or did they say that the plane involved in an incident near Singapore was an Airbus A380? Did CNBC report that the plane crashed? Or did Reuters add that? Whichever, for 17 minutes until it was corrected, the impact of this crisis on Qantas’ reputation meant nothing to the families of the 400+ people on that flight, who would have been distraught and suffering a level of anguish that was entirely avoidable if a serious mistake in news reporting, like this one, didn’t occur.
And therein lies a warning: for all the principles that an organisation can follow to ensure its reputation is safeguarded, the speed of news, and the nature of wire services that measure speed against their competitors in seconds, means you can end up reacting to a crisis far worse in perception that reality. We all know speed compromises accuracy sometimes.
17 minutes is an age in the generation of new media: down the side bar of that Reuters webpage are buttons: Tweet This, Recommend or Share on Facebook, Share on LinkedIn, among others. One mouse click by a thousand people during the 17 minutes that story was uncorrected spreads the story to millions within seconds; most of whom will believe it as true because it comes from a credible source like Reuters.
That’s what happened yesterday. I, for one, would like to hear how that story ever appeared on the wires from a reputable news agency like Reuters; especially as it appeared without a crucial word in the story: Unconfirmed.
Oxymorons of the decade.
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Should have gone Boeing. Should have gone GE.
You might be right as far as should've gone GE goes.
Another Roller engine problem. This time on VH-OJD on QF6 saw another air return to Singapore last night.
Sometimes it takes a while but, the reprocussions of cost-cutting to the bone may now be coming to the surface.
Awful lot of coincidences occuring with Qantas over the last five years or so. Especially since the closure of Sydney Heavy Maintenance, the increase in Heavy off-shoring and the closure of component overhaul and engine overhaul facilities.
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Anyone Going to the Base today to celebrate.....management stupidity and cost cutting?
Not a chance.It would be like visiting a museum...this is where we used to overhaul engines and this is where we used to do heavy maintenance on all manner of aircraft for decades.These workshops could make or repair many of the parts required in these aircraft. Thousands of trades people & engineers used to be trained here.
"Used to" sad words indeed.
It was never perfect far from it but it had some pride attached.
Not a chance.It would be like visiting a museum...this is where we used to overhaul engines and this is where we used to do heavy maintenance on all manner of aircraft for decades.These workshops could make or repair many of the parts required in these aircraft. Thousands of trades people & engineers used to be trained here.
"Used to" sad words indeed.
It was never perfect far from it but it had some pride attached.
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In reply to Arnold's question about previous uncontained engine failures during the time QF had it's own engine shops. I was with QF engineering (Line Maint) from 1966 to 2006 and I can't recall an uncontained engine failure occurring on a QF a/c during that time. Yes, there were plenty of turbine & compressor (not fan) blades coming adrift but to my recollection they managed to follow the gas path.
Such failures were apparently not rare during the Connie days and I have seen a couple of other operators JT9D's let go in dramatic fashion.
Hopefully, if my memory is incorrect someone will point my error out.
With regard to the 90 years of Qantas celebration, that is apparently only for current employees according to the Friday Flyer, as a retiree I was certainly not invited.
Such failures were apparently not rare during the Connie days and I have seen a couple of other operators JT9D's let go in dramatic fashion.
Hopefully, if my memory is incorrect someone will point my error out.
With regard to the 90 years of Qantas celebration, that is apparently only for current employees according to the Friday Flyer, as a retiree I was certainly not invited.
You will see them flying in a couple of days time after "extensive checks have deemed them safe" or similar.
My point being .... obviously this type of engine abnormality is impossible to predict ... or it would have been.
Airline management are funny types aren't they. Location is everything.
Outside the boardroom Safety is good PR and airline pilots and crew are well trained professionals.
Inside the boardroom both are ways too cut costs.
Outside the boardroom Safety is good PR and airline pilots and crew are well trained professionals.
Inside the boardroom both are ways too cut costs.