Merged: Joe Eakins: Brave?....or....
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It is totally wrong that he was sacked, talk about risking massive negative publicity. The shame of it though is that he has a snowballs chance in hell of winning an unfair dismissal case. The corporate policy by which we are all governed forbids us from talking to, or writing for the media without express permission from the company regardless of the subject. The courts won't care if what he said is true or not, this was the risk he took.
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I suspect this could actually be the straw that breaks the camels back. As far as I know he's very well respected in the Jetstar pilot community.
I don't know him but I felt my blood pressure hit the roof when I read it. Must be an instinctual thing who knows.
Bad timing with summer holidays and you're a hundred pilots short.
I don't know him but I felt my blood pressure hit the roof when I read it. Must be an instinctual thing who knows.
Bad timing with summer holidays and you're a hundred pilots short.
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Joe Eakins
Many friends inside Jetstar have told me that Joe has very strong support. I have hard that some have already offered support to buy him his house!
Why JQ would want to aggravate their pilots on the eve of the busy, christmas season (when they are already short on pilots) is beyond me.
Comments like this wont help either;
The Australian 19th November Bruce Buchanan
This Boston school of management really must be something else! I'd love to know what their first unit of study is - How to piss your staff off and still expect them to do the right thing by you..... eventually if you kick a dog enough it will bite back.
Why JQ would want to aggravate their pilots on the eve of the busy, christmas season (when they are already short on pilots) is beyond me.
Comments like this wont help either;
The Australian 19th November Bruce Buchanan
He said he understood pilots' concerns when they saw rapid growth in Asia and they saw themselves as losing relevance as an industrial body.
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Brake the camels back...thats what we all said in September...Mr Hat..it is quite sad that this has reached this level......This company and its clones are the most rotten bunch i have encountered in my life time.....but the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.....September to remember.?...what was that....all talk no action..Same guys preaching on the line...where the same guys pushing back on time...appearing in company ads..and kissing preverbal management ass when confronted....The is no decency left in this country...its not just this industry .....Australia has become the problem....a labor government not supporting labor......a gen y rotten culture has evolved...gimme gimme gimme.....oh wow i fly a shinny jet on McDonalds wages......" I am so lucky to be here..." " I cant believe they pay me to do this"'"" need i go on ....Look in the mirror people !!!!!!!!!.....What they have done to Joe is a disgrace........Please tell me you dont really believe this is going to evoke some type of revolution....Here they basically told us that we WILL outsource us wether we like it or not, and the best we could do was push back 1 min late ........who on the hell are we kidding?
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Even though Joe wasn't technically on AIPA CoM at the time of the alleged article, I'm led to believe AIPA use consultants from time to time to do research. Would this type of arrangement allow the use of legislation that permits Union delegates to voice opinions against an employer even if they are employees of the same company they are speaking out against?
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I too don't work for JQ so I apologise if I am giving advice from 'outside' however we are all inside the industry.
Firstly; if it is true Joe has been terminated (any proof of this?) this is an attempt by JQ to intimidate all of you. It is a blatant effort to take an already cowering, scared and subservient group and keep them living in grovelling fear. I don't know how you folks can live like that.
Secondly; What more proof do you guys need that some drastic action is required? Again I accept that it's easy for an outsider to make such bold statements but you are the guys living with this nonsense. Unfortunately I agree that all the meetings and endless talk, talk, talk and PPRUNE rhetoric mean nothing unless you actively and concertedly DO SOMETHING TANGIBLE & SIGNIFICANT. It doesn't have to be to strike etc but you do need to have an impact on the bottom line to show you are a group that can't continuously be spat on and laughed at as you are at present.
The CEO is simply stating your displeasure is just AIPA posturing and he is getting airtime for this. However there are many non-AIPA members equally as disenfranchised and then there is the very grave safety implications of the path that JQ management are taking (for the love of god I can't understand their stupidity in this regard) and yet this is getting no airtime! Employing dodgy pilots in dodgy bases to avoid Australian laws and standards is a recipe for disaster and nobody is highlighting this.
Finally; Joe's article was an eloquent, non-inflammatory and factual precis of the state of the industry. If this story is true, not only must he be supported financially by Australian pilots until he's back on his feet, but this is a perfect PR case for any pilot association (AFAP, AIPA) etc to really hammer and take public. Not only are JQ trying to bypass Australian civil aviation standards and regulations they are attempting to supress the truth by terminating anybody who dares to bring this reality to the attention of the travelling public - the very people who will sadly be affected by the safety implications of JQ's actions.
Something is very smelly in the aviation world in Australia and to be fixed it needs ACTIONS, not words on PPRUNE.
Firstly; if it is true Joe has been terminated (any proof of this?) this is an attempt by JQ to intimidate all of you. It is a blatant effort to take an already cowering, scared and subservient group and keep them living in grovelling fear. I don't know how you folks can live like that.
Secondly; What more proof do you guys need that some drastic action is required? Again I accept that it's easy for an outsider to make such bold statements but you are the guys living with this nonsense. Unfortunately I agree that all the meetings and endless talk, talk, talk and PPRUNE rhetoric mean nothing unless you actively and concertedly DO SOMETHING TANGIBLE & SIGNIFICANT. It doesn't have to be to strike etc but you do need to have an impact on the bottom line to show you are a group that can't continuously be spat on and laughed at as you are at present.
The CEO is simply stating your displeasure is just AIPA posturing and he is getting airtime for this. However there are many non-AIPA members equally as disenfranchised and then there is the very grave safety implications of the path that JQ management are taking (for the love of god I can't understand their stupidity in this regard) and yet this is getting no airtime! Employing dodgy pilots in dodgy bases to avoid Australian laws and standards is a recipe for disaster and nobody is highlighting this.
Finally; Joe's article was an eloquent, non-inflammatory and factual precis of the state of the industry. If this story is true, not only must he be supported financially by Australian pilots until he's back on his feet, but this is a perfect PR case for any pilot association (AFAP, AIPA) etc to really hammer and take public. Not only are JQ trying to bypass Australian civil aviation standards and regulations they are attempting to supress the truth by terminating anybody who dares to bring this reality to the attention of the travelling public - the very people who will sadly be affected by the safety implications of JQ's actions.
Something is very smelly in the aviation world in Australia and to be fixed it needs ACTIONS, not words on PPRUNE.
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xjt maybe you are right.
Soft culture and country it must be. Very sad indeed. Try this stunt in countries France or Spain and there would be cars on fire upside down in the street. A no nonsense approach to workers and civil justice and rights.
It won't even make the news here.
It won't even make the news here.
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The jetstar guys have got to help themselves. They keep calling on others to be a part of their meetings to show unity against the company and then something like this happens and they do NOTHING. It has been known for some time now that Joe was being let go but they have just sat around like a pack of wounded animals. Well, who's going to carry the flame for you now gentlemen? Jetstar is full of individuals with self-serving agendas and this is why your conditions will further deteriorate. The other posts on here are spot on, the management are testing your resolve and you are failing miserably. Do you want to be spoon fed or something? The rest of us would like to see you show some ticker. Are we living in China for crying out loud?
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Get together jet* boys and girls over this one and act quick. It sets a precedent and is intimidation. A stop work meeting would get their attention and the medias very quickly.
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Which crew are taking SUNRISE to Hawaii?
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Pilots of Australia-Time to Unite-Meeting Aug 23 thread
post # 317 August 24th.
Don't get me wrong, I'm pro pilot here.
However, don't under-estimate the response of the entity you work for.
I am concerned, a collegue(s) less informed may be the fall guy/girl for the greater good of the pilot community.
A company will take action against any person(s) engaged in activities which don't align with the "Standards of Conduct" you were provided on initial employment.
What the meeting failed to address is what these obligations are & how a company views breaches of such obligations & more so what the company response will be.
Standards of Conduct is a different issue to Industrial Action & is determined by the employer.
post # 317 August 24th.
Don't get me wrong, I'm pro pilot here.
However, don't under-estimate the response of the entity you work for.
I am concerned, a collegue(s) less informed may be the fall guy/girl for the greater good of the pilot community.
A company will take action against any person(s) engaged in activities which don't align with the "Standards of Conduct" you were provided on initial employment.
What the meeting failed to address is what these obligations are & how a company views breaches of such obligations & more so what the company response will be.
Standards of Conduct is a different issue to Industrial Action & is determined by the employer.
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Which crew are taking SUNRISE to Hawaii?
Apparently vigi, an all AUSTRALIAN based cabin crew with blonde hair and blue eyes are being conveniently rostered. Somewhat intriguing as all their HNL flights for over a year now have all been Singaporean and Thai crew with one or two Aussies. I wonder why all the crew are Aussies for that particular trip
Which crew are taking SUNRISE to Hawaii?
Apparently vigi, an all AUSTRALIAN based cabin crew with blonde hair and blue eyes are being conveniently rostered. Somewhat intriguing as all their HNL flights for over a year now have all been Singaporean and Thai crew with one or two Aussies. I wonder why all the crew are Aussies for that particular trip
Interesting to note that Australia is a signatory to the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights which advocates free speech through any medium, yet the Australian Parliament never wrote it into law nor has Australia a Bill of Rights.
On saying that here is a interesting quote from the Australian Governments Immigration website, which is actually incorrect,
On saying that here is a interesting quote from the Australian Governments Immigration website, which is actually incorrect,
Australians are free, within the bounds of the law, to say or write what we think privately or publicly, about the government, or about any topic. We do not censor the media and may criticise the government without fear of arrest. Free speech comes from facts, not rumours, and the intention must be constructive, not to do harm. There are laws to protect a person's good name and integrity against false information. There are laws against saying or writing things to incite hatred against others because of their culture, ethnicity or background. Freedom of speech is not an excuse to harm others.
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It has apparently been confirmed by Joe himself that the lowest act of all was yet conducted when the dog’s conducting the meeting finished in 5 min and said nothing to him regarding his future with J*. Whilst Joe and Co were on the flight back to SYD, an email was sent out to all staff regarding the sacking. Joe and AIPA reps did not even know until after landing SYD. Basically, the whole airline knew of him getting the ar*e via email before the victim even did. How has such faceless, bitter and gutless filth been allowed to permeate the industry and bring it to such lows? And to think that a so called "Pilot Manager" was complicit in the downfall of a young man’s aviation career is a travesty to the profession. How any decent human being can continue in such a position and at the same time lose all respect and what little integrity he had left from the very pilot group one represents is beyond many of us. Ahhhh yes, of coarse Rat, it's the good ol smell of KPI's.
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I sit here trying to think of ways to express myself without being dragged out the back and tortured.
I know the victim in this crime. He is a very intelligent young pilot who is obviously a threat to lesser men.
Too many pilots are sitting on their asses saying J* pilots should do something about it and show balls.. Well,I think it's time some unity was shown by all groups and make it well know by the Aipa, Afap that J* went too far in the sacking of a professional pilot who did nothing other than respond with AIPAs agreement,(I believe), to furbies made by J*.
I know the victim in this crime. He is a very intelligent young pilot who is obviously a threat to lesser men.
Too many pilots are sitting on their asses saying J* pilots should do something about it and show balls.. Well,I think it's time some unity was shown by all groups and make it well know by the Aipa, Afap that J* went too far in the sacking of a professional pilot who did nothing other than respond with AIPAs agreement,(I believe), to furbies made by J*.
Without a strong union encompassing ALL pilots, you are doomed, and by extension, so is the flying public.
Please get your collective act together so that our children aren't sacrificial lambs on a 737 to Sydney piloted by a pimply 20 year old from Singapore who has 300 hours max. and gets paid less than my daughter part-time at Maccas
Please get your collective act together so that our children aren't sacrificial lambs on a 737 to Sydney piloted by a pimply 20 year old from Singapore who has 300 hours max. and gets paid less than my daughter part-time at Maccas