Merged: Joe Eakins: Brave?....or....

[Lookleft]

All this bloke did was state openly what everyone was thinking. For that he has been sacked. Hopefully he is able to get his job back through FWA. Make no mistake he has been punished solely to be made an example of so that the rest of the pilots will toe the line. The challenge now for all pilots but particularly Jetstar pilots is to withdraw into our collective shells and hope the trouble passes. Persecution is not restricted to Third World dictatorships.

[Turban]

Try this stunt in countries France or Spain and there would be cars on fire upside down in the street

Cars on fire, maybe not, but most pilots would not go to work that's for sure.
And same thing for Qantas's doors fiasco...

I'm not really a strike enthusiast, but in the end..it might be a good way of preventing the worst from happening... Either be dead bodies, or dead ends, for that matter...

Sometimes one might wish he had taken action when he had a chance..

Beware!

[MrWooby]

At a time when QANTAS really needs the goodwill of its crew to help the company through a hard time, this action really undermines any engagement that remained. This needs to be fought by AIPA, the ACTU, and by ALL Qantas Brand crew, not just Jetstar crew. Once official confirmation is provided, one action that we can all do is to ensure that all crew, not just PPruners are aware of what has occurred.

[ratpoison]

but particularly Jetstar pilots is to withdraw into our collective shells and hope the trouble passes.

You can't be serious!

[SilverSleuth]

APIA and this pilot should be getting themselves on the today show Monday morning and talking about this and the qantas link engineers along with it. Watch how quick Joyce reverses these decisions. Don't waste time people.

[Mstr Caution]

The events leading to the termination of Mr Eakins, would appear to add weight to the Senate enquiry terms of reference point g.

g. the need to provide legislative immunity to pilots and other flight crew who report on safety matters and whether the United States and European approaches would be appropriate in the Australian aviation environment;

[Mstr Caution]

APIA and this pilot should be getting themselves on the today show Monday morning and talking about this and the qantas link engineers along with it. Watch how quick Joyce reverses these decisions. Don't waste time people.

A whistleblower being terminated perhaps.

[A. Le Rhone]

2 points arise:

1) Absolutely - get this PR out there IMMEDIATELY as "whistleblower sacked by airline trying to cover-up the truth". Don't delay or it will wither away into insignificance. This is where AIPA can prove it's worth (or not). Get Joe, obviously an eloquent and intelligent individual on Sunrise and 7.30 Report and particularly the more hysterical outlets such as A Current Affair and Today Tonight. Like an intelligent fighter use the inertia created by the attacker against himself to not only trip himself up but to allow you to emerge the moral and PR victors.

2) In reality what CAN the Jetstar pilots do now. From afar it would appear they are collectively unable or unwilling to strike or take significant action so with that mindset what suggestions can be made as to how to demonstrate the obvious group disgust at what is going on?

[Skynews]

Jetstar guys will do absolutely nothing, it might affect their command slot(F/O's), Captains already have their spot so not their problems, newbies will see an empty slot and be sendingoff resume s with offers to work for less money than the next guy.

Unfortunate but that's the modern Jetstar pilot, we have to live with it.

[xjt]

Jetstar guys will do absolutely nothing, it might affect their command slot(F/O's), Captains already have their spot so not their problems, newbies will see an empty slot and be sendingoff resume s with offers to work for less money than the next guy.

what he/she said......

[fender]

It's lazy jerks like you that want the rest of the world to do your dirty work.
You just sit back and relax, let's not rock yor world.
Help out loser.

[Normasars]

Fender,

Were you helping out when YOU decided to undermine the T&Cs of the incumbents by signing up for the "DEAL" that is Jetstar. Bit rough to sit there and slag somebody off as a loser when it was YOU that opted for this.

Once again, pilot unity in this country is a myth.

[bonvol]

"Progress"

Pre-war year
F/O Joe is sacked by the company for a trivial matter
The President of the union immediately issues a directive that unless F/O Joe is
reinstated all flying will cease from xxxx Hrs
F/O Joe is reinstated

Now
F/O Joe is sacked by the company for a trivial matter.
Pilots express outrage on PPrune
F/O Joes union takes his case to the IRC
Time rolls on and on and on
F/O Joe goes overseas to earn a dollar
Everyone forgets about F/O Joe.

[A. Le Rhone]

Yes Bonvol and Normasars you are both correct.

Didn't the Jetstar pilots squeal and moan and threaten almighty hell when the forced transfers to DRW came? And what happened?

If you can't help yourselves what hope do you have? It's easy to give advice from outside but it ain't pretty viewing.

Fortunately Joe seems to be an intelligent and eloquent person and with that aptitude in life will probably succeed at whatever he does but to rely on self-serving peers might be an exercise in futility. AIPA/AFAP must do something on his behalf immediately. This is a very important precedent being set.

Surely to work as what increasingly seems like simpering dogs cowering at the feet of brutal 'masters' can't be what you folks want forever?

[gordonfvckingramsay]

In addition to The Today Show, TT or ACA etc. Try 60 mins, serious clout there I would have thought, I even think Liam Bartlett has had a dig at aviation related subjects in the print media before.

[Going Boeing]

Instead of the "Today" show why not get on "Sunrise" as they are sponsored by Jetstar.

[fender]

Normasars,

600+ Jetstar pilots should resign so you can have a way of life.
They are trying so hard to make conditions better step by step but you have to realize what they are up against.
Why all this stupid anger is directed at pilots and not the real culprits is beyond belief. Get real for christs sake... GET REAL..

[bonvol]

I even think Liam Bartlett has had a dig at aviation related subjects in the print media before.

Yeah I have sent stuff to him in the past. He does get back to you.

lbartlett at nine.com.au

[Lookleft]

For those of you who are obviously taking great delight in the current situation in Jetstar lets not forget that Joe was and should still be a Jetstar pilot. So suggesting that Jetstar pilots are not doing anything to help themselves I think the evidence of Joe getting sacked for speaking the truth says otherwise. We are operating in an industrial system that favours the employer and Jetstar are exploiting that system to the full. AIPA does not have respondency to the EBA so any response from them is hampered by that fact. Industrial action is illegal but goodwill is discretionary. There is no quick response but to think there is nothing going on demonstrates the limitations of the view from the outside looking in.

[Ushuaia]

I communicated directly with one of the AIPA Execs today. I was advised that Joe has NOT been sacked. The situation is certainly problematic, however. Right now it's important that everybody just stays cool.