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If some people want or appear to get their industrial instruction from the herald sun or telegraph and not from alaea head office , what can i say?
I would suggest that you do not read those vile publications at all. They are mouth pieces for the right wing to coerce the working poor to vote liberal.
I would suggest that you do not read those vile publications at all. They are mouth pieces for the right wing to coerce the working poor to vote liberal.
Prehaps there should be more feedback as to whats going on
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LAME2, exactly. Dont read the propaganda , dont read the tabloids. It will just make you angry. If the ALAEA exec or SP have something to say we'll hear about it. Otherwise just do your jobs, get on with life.
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Compared to the last fifteen years the feedback has exemplary
Just got home from dayshift, Keep Qantas Australian badge on chest, Pen is mightier than the sword pen in pocket, all defects found suitably notated
Job done, time to kick back for time with the ruggies
Just got home from dayshift, Keep Qantas Australian badge on chest, Pen is mightier than the sword pen in pocket, all defects found suitably notated
Job done, time to kick back for time with the ruggies
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Text Message just broadcast from FEDSEC. All four hour stop work meetings for today cancelled.
One hour stop work in BNE to go ahead as normal.
The plot thickens yet again..........
One hour stop work in BNE to go ahead as normal.
The plot thickens yet again..........
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"Due to legal issues" pls await clarification before 
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I guess pax would've been pissed off either way. However, a cost has been attributed to one side whilst no financial cost has been incurred by the LAME's in Sydney and Melbourne Through being docked four hours pay( Brisbane guys will still lose an hours pay for the regular Monday stoppage).
All the while overtime bans are taking their toll on the maintainance programme on the fleet with ever increasing deferrals and hold items. Only a matter of time before aircraft will have to be parked on the fence.
All avoidable if Qantas had an executive not hell bent on destroying the Qantas brand and its workforce.
All the while overtime bans are taking their toll on the maintainance programme on the fleet with ever increasing deferrals and hold items. Only a matter of time before aircraft will have to be parked on the fence.
All avoidable if Qantas had an executive not hell bent on destroying the Qantas brand and its workforce.
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Qantas stoppages cancelled
Published 1:11 PM, 10 Oct 2011
AAP
Qantas Airways Ltd engineers have cancelled their planned industrial action after management threatened to dock them a day's pay.
The Australian Licenced Aircraft Engineers Association (ALAEA) cancelled the four-hour work stoppages at Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane airports scheduled to start from 3pm (AEDT) on Monday.
ALAEA federal secretary Steve Purvinas said Qantas management distributed notices to engineers threatening to withhold up to seven hours' pay for the lost time.
"The airline is playing dirty pool with our members by threatening them for taking lawful industrial action," Mr Purvinas said in a statement on Monday.
"To ensure our members are not unfairly disadvantaged by Qantas management's last-minute curve ball, we have decided to reassess our position on today's planned action."
The industrial action was scheduled to begin in Sydney from 3pm (AEDT), Melbourne from 5pm (AEDT) and Brisbane from 4pm (AEST) on Monday.
Line maintenance engineers, who check aircraft on the tarmac, planned to stop work as part of a labour dispute with Qantas.
Qantas had warned the stoppages would cause the cancellation of 40 domestic flights on Monday, and the delaying or rescheduling of another 27.
Eleven international services were also going to be delayed.
Published 1:11 PM, 10 Oct 2011
AAP
Qantas Airways Ltd engineers have cancelled their planned industrial action after management threatened to dock them a day's pay.
The Australian Licenced Aircraft Engineers Association (ALAEA) cancelled the four-hour work stoppages at Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane airports scheduled to start from 3pm (AEDT) on Monday.
ALAEA federal secretary Steve Purvinas said Qantas management distributed notices to engineers threatening to withhold up to seven hours' pay for the lost time.
"The airline is playing dirty pool with our members by threatening them for taking lawful industrial action," Mr Purvinas said in a statement on Monday.
"To ensure our members are not unfairly disadvantaged by Qantas management's last-minute curve ball, we have decided to reassess our position on today's planned action."
The industrial action was scheduled to begin in Sydney from 3pm (AEDT), Melbourne from 5pm (AEDT) and Brisbane from 4pm (AEST) on Monday.
Line maintenance engineers, who check aircraft on the tarmac, planned to stop work as part of a labour dispute with Qantas.
Qantas had warned the stoppages would cause the cancellation of 40 domestic flights on Monday, and the delaying or rescheduling of another 27.
Eleven international services were also going to be delayed.
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I notice that the AAP story is missing a very important quote;
Very selective indeed.
To date Qantas is the only company or union in Australia to
have been found guilty in a Federal Court of illegal coercion
in relation to an industrial dispute under the Fair Work Act.
have been found guilty in a Federal Court of illegal coercion
in relation to an industrial dispute under the Fair Work Act.
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Qantas' campaign strikes out
Ben Sandilands
Published 2:26 PM, 10 Oct 2011
A last minute cancellation of this afternoon’s licensed engineer strikes at Qantas has avoided further passenger dislocations in the four-month war of words between the airline and its major unions.
The airline had prepared the way for a confrontation with full page “We’re Sorry” ads in this morning’s papers for those regular travellers who still get their news that way.
This is a strange set of industrial disputes for a number of reasons. Qantas has put a lot of hard work into ensuring that its passengers are well informed of the flight delays and cancellations it has seen fit to make in advance, thus minimising the inconvenience to frequent flyers whose brand loyalty keeps its domestic operations highly profitable.
However it isn’t drawing attention to this in its public campaign, preferring to emphasise the negatives of union actions it sees as obstructing its own plans to replace the brand as much as possible with Jetstar and to offshore cabin crew and pilots with fly in/ fly out arrangements to bypass Australian labour and superannuation obligations as much as possible.
The result this morning on live television reports from various Qantas terminals has been yet another charade in which reporters find themselves repeating the management lines about chaos in the air in front of what are perfectly normally functioning airports.
There are three sets of actions underway at Qantas authorised by Fair Work Australia after the respective unions met all of the tests of negotiating in good faith with management in seeking timely negotiated enterprise bargaining outcomes.
There are the Qantas long haul pilots, who have limited their actions to wearing atrocious red ties (made in China) and making in-flight announcements in support of the truth in advertising notion that all Qantas flights should be flown by Qantas pilots trained to Qantas standards.
There are the ground staff, mainly baggage handlers, who have held the odd stop work meeting and will do so again this Thursday, maybe.
And there are the licensed engineers, who in terms of network punctuality, perform crucial operational maintenance, and whose role was to have been taken by management workers this afternoon.
The media seems to have forgotten that these are the same engineers who banned overtime off and on for around three months in 2008, but in particular, in May and June of that year, and broke the resolve of Qantas under previous chief executive Geoff Dixon, when the airline gave in to their previous set of pay claims, which on expiry, have given rise to the current dispute.
That licensed engineers dispute did seriously dislocate domestic and international Qantas passengers.
Aware of the safety risks involved in deferred line maintenance of the type that the licensed engineers had been performing during compulsory overtime, Qantas meticulously reviewed the engineering status of each flight during that prolonged dispute to avoid sending off jets that might be carrying both a permitted defect in engine thrust reversers and a permitted defect in a wheel brake, which if present on the same jet, might have combined during a wet landing or other abnormal situation to cause a disaster.
As a result, the airline kept hundreds of thousands of passengers in a state of chaos for many weeks on end. Three years ago, and already forgotten.
Unless someone blinks these disputes will inevitably be resolved by compulsory arbitration, which means that the claims being made for job security by the license engineers and pilots will be dismissed as outside the court’s jurisdiction, while the pay rise and productivity components will be applied in part or full.
ABC TV reports this morning also claimed incorrectly that Qantas was in dispute with customs and immigration officials at international terminals. This is nonsense. That dispute is between a public service association and a federal department, and affects all airlines.
This story first appeared on www.crikey.com.au on October 10. Republished in Business Spectator with permission.
it's not often that Ben Sandilands gets republished in the Business Spectator.
Ben Sandilands
Published 2:26 PM, 10 Oct 2011
A last minute cancellation of this afternoon’s licensed engineer strikes at Qantas has avoided further passenger dislocations in the four-month war of words between the airline and its major unions.
The airline had prepared the way for a confrontation with full page “We’re Sorry” ads in this morning’s papers for those regular travellers who still get their news that way.
click the image to enlarge
This is a strange set of industrial disputes for a number of reasons. Qantas has put a lot of hard work into ensuring that its passengers are well informed of the flight delays and cancellations it has seen fit to make in advance, thus minimising the inconvenience to frequent flyers whose brand loyalty keeps its domestic operations highly profitable.
However it isn’t drawing attention to this in its public campaign, preferring to emphasise the negatives of union actions it sees as obstructing its own plans to replace the brand as much as possible with Jetstar and to offshore cabin crew and pilots with fly in/ fly out arrangements to bypass Australian labour and superannuation obligations as much as possible.
The result this morning on live television reports from various Qantas terminals has been yet another charade in which reporters find themselves repeating the management lines about chaos in the air in front of what are perfectly normally functioning airports.
There are three sets of actions underway at Qantas authorised by Fair Work Australia after the respective unions met all of the tests of negotiating in good faith with management in seeking timely negotiated enterprise bargaining outcomes.
There are the Qantas long haul pilots, who have limited their actions to wearing atrocious red ties (made in China) and making in-flight announcements in support of the truth in advertising notion that all Qantas flights should be flown by Qantas pilots trained to Qantas standards.
There are the ground staff, mainly baggage handlers, who have held the odd stop work meeting and will do so again this Thursday, maybe.
And there are the licensed engineers, who in terms of network punctuality, perform crucial operational maintenance, and whose role was to have been taken by management workers this afternoon.
The media seems to have forgotten that these are the same engineers who banned overtime off and on for around three months in 2008, but in particular, in May and June of that year, and broke the resolve of Qantas under previous chief executive Geoff Dixon, when the airline gave in to their previous set of pay claims, which on expiry, have given rise to the current dispute.
That licensed engineers dispute did seriously dislocate domestic and international Qantas passengers.
Aware of the safety risks involved in deferred line maintenance of the type that the licensed engineers had been performing during compulsory overtime, Qantas meticulously reviewed the engineering status of each flight during that prolonged dispute to avoid sending off jets that might be carrying both a permitted defect in engine thrust reversers and a permitted defect in a wheel brake, which if present on the same jet, might have combined during a wet landing or other abnormal situation to cause a disaster.
As a result, the airline kept hundreds of thousands of passengers in a state of chaos for many weeks on end. Three years ago, and already forgotten.
Unless someone blinks these disputes will inevitably be resolved by compulsory arbitration, which means that the claims being made for job security by the license engineers and pilots will be dismissed as outside the court’s jurisdiction, while the pay rise and productivity components will be applied in part or full.
ABC TV reports this morning also claimed incorrectly that Qantas was in dispute with customs and immigration officials at international terminals. This is nonsense. That dispute is between a public service association and a federal department, and affects all airlines.
This story first appeared on www.crikey.com.au on October 10. Republished in Business Spectator with permission.
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I think you will find that most people are now aware of what is going on, and put the blame for all their inconvenience where it belongs, with Qantas management. 
I am so sick of hearing and seeing the so called news as it is just so one sided, just whatever Qantas and Olivia say.
However just listening to the radio news here and after the story about the 4 hour stoppage being called off, and (surprisingly) they did say why, they crossed to a Reporter at the Airport.
He was inerviewing delayed and unhappy Qantas Customers, however the vast majority of them said that they were way more furious at Qantas than their Staff, citing the refusal of Qantas to even talk to their Staff and the disgusting pay rises for the CEO and others.
Qantas appear to be losing Public support, and rightly so.
I am so sick of hearing and seeing the so called news as it is just so one sided, just whatever Qantas and Olivia say.
However just listening to the radio news here and after the story about the 4 hour stoppage being called off, and (surprisingly) they did say why, they crossed to a Reporter at the Airport.
He was inerviewing delayed and unhappy Qantas Customers, however the vast majority of them said that they were way more furious at Qantas than their Staff, citing the refusal of Qantas to even talk to their Staff and the disgusting pay rises for the CEO and others.
Qantas appear to be losing Public support, and rightly so.
Reminds me of this
And the union thug picture.. again seriously.
It would be akin to
Here is a picture of a board member or an executive or a major Australian corporation eating
It must be true because I said so.
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Has to laugh at one of the points in the ad:
"THE LAST INDUSTRIAL ACTION COST $140 million"
.....all down to their fault!!! They spent $140 million to save $10 million........
Why aren't the general public being made aware of things like this???
"THE LAST INDUSTRIAL ACTION COST $140 million"
.....all down to their fault!!! They spent $140 million to save $10 million........
Why aren't the general public being made aware of things like this???
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Lyell Strambi has put out a company email gobbing on about how the FAAA and NUW members have voted on favour of their own EBAs.
But this comment " The ALAEA claimed that management threatened to withhold extra pay from LAMEs who took action today. This claim is entirely false." contradicts what we have been told.
So what is the truth?
But this comment " The ALAEA claimed that management threatened to withhold extra pay from LAMEs who took action today. This claim is entirely false." contradicts what we have been told.
So what is the truth?
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Now that horrid Olivia is on the radio trying to blame all the mess on the Engineers. 
She says that after all the inconvenience caused to QF pax today by the Engineers they will not lose 1 cent of pay AND that QF have not been officially notified that the strike is off, only by what they heard in the media.
Of course she failed to mention about the threat from QF to dock the Engineers a full days pay for a 4 hour strike, why confuse the Public with the truth.
She says that after all the inconvenience caused to QF pax today by the Engineers they will not lose 1 cent of pay AND that QF have not been officially notified that the strike is off, only by what they heard in the media.
Of course she failed to mention about the threat from QF to dock the Engineers a full days pay for a 4 hour strike, why confuse the Public with the truth.
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She says that after all the inconvenience caused to QF pax today by the Engineers they will not lose 1 cent of pay AND that QF have not been officially notified that the strike is off, only by what they heard in the media.
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Any reaction is a good reaction. If there was no reaction, then the PIA process would not be having the effect is was designed for. (ie, working towards a fair outcome for both parties).