Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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What's your next move when...
ABC radio said this afternoon that the Federal Government are now going to step in as each party is slowly destroying the Qantas brand. What are you guys going to do then should this happen?
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saint george and company,
No union or union member has said do not fly Qantas.
One union leader said for the next little while, he would choose not to fly Qantas ( as this is looking to be a drawn out process with no end in sight ).
Well done all the unions, stand together.
No union or union member has said do not fly Qantas.
One union leader said for the next little while, he would choose not to fly Qantas ( as this is looking to be a drawn out process with no end in sight ).
Well done all the unions, stand together.
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Bring it on! Desperate actions from a desperate "management".
Political intervention followed by mass offshoring to Asia gunna be a hard one to "negotiate"....
Political intervention followed by mass offshoring to Asia gunna be a hard one to "negotiate"....
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saintgeorge put your socks and slippers on you sound like you have cold feet.
Sick of all this crap about union leaders advising people not on book on Qantas at the moment.
Was that not practical advice? Engineers are practical people we tell it like it is because we are trained that way, so please do not parrot the bs Qantas media spin here.
Sick of all this crap about union leaders advising people not on book on Qantas at the moment.
Was that not practical advice? Engineers are practical people we tell it like it is because we are trained that way, so please do not parrot the bs Qantas media spin here.
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Note;
Do not take on QF Engineers!
Note;
You will lose!
Enough said!
I had a lot of other opinions but decided that was best, basically it is true any exec can sit in their little lounge but engineers keep the joint going!
Do not take on QF Engineers!
Note;
You will lose!
Enough said!
I had a lot of other opinions but decided that was best, basically it is true any exec can sit in their little lounge but engineers keep the joint going!
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I understand saintgeorges thoughts but I disagree.
We have been pushed into a corner and are reacting in the only way possible. If we do nothing and the company folds, we will ask ourselves as others will ask 'why didn't you do something?'
What concerns me is that we will be blamed for some sort of collapse of the QF brand, when in my opinion that's what the board is after. Are we playing into their hands?
I think we really need to push home, as SP has stated, that we, the real staff are here for the long haul and are the backbone of this great company who DONOT harbour a longing for a quick dollar by sucking the guts from it then to vanish, never to be seen again.
Convincing yourself in the mirror that you are doing it for the good of the company doesn't make it right.
We have been pushed into a corner and are reacting in the only way possible. If we do nothing and the company folds, we will ask ourselves as others will ask 'why didn't you do something?'
What concerns me is that we will be blamed for some sort of collapse of the QF brand, when in my opinion that's what the board is after. Are we playing into their hands?
I think we really need to push home, as SP has stated, that we, the real staff are here for the long haul and are the backbone of this great company who DONOT harbour a longing for a quick dollar by sucking the guts from it then to vanish, never to be seen again.
Convincing yourself in the mirror that you are doing it for the good of the company doesn't make it right.
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FedSec, I am a supporter of your cause. However, play the tape to the end for me will you. What happens if your 'buddy' Martin Ferguson and the government step in and bring a halt to the P.I.A. ?
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Conspiracy Theories
Geoff Dixon - Now head of Tourism Australia.
His mate John Singleton - Advertising and control of media input.
Allan Joyce - New planes will fix themselves, what do we need engineers for.
30% pay reductions all round, to be gobbled up by greedy CEO's and board members.
Leigh Clifford - Lets destroy unionism in Australia.
All of these maggots wish for, are gains for themselves, with another buyout, and hopefully with the governments approval.
What a joke.
This insanity has gone on for too long.
How much money does one person need to live comfortably.
CEO's remuneration should be tied to the average workers wage in a company by a formula which rewards everyone in that company equally.
If a company makes a profit, its shareholders should also benefit.
We, the workers of Australia, will fight this with every fibre in our body, as we voted against work choices for a fair and just deal for all.
They will not win.
It is war again, not brought on by us, but by them.
They will be spent, and karma and justice will prevail once more.
His mate John Singleton - Advertising and control of media input.
Allan Joyce - New planes will fix themselves, what do we need engineers for.
30% pay reductions all round, to be gobbled up by greedy CEO's and board members.
Leigh Clifford - Lets destroy unionism in Australia.
All of these maggots wish for, are gains for themselves, with another buyout, and hopefully with the governments approval.
What a joke.
This insanity has gone on for too long.
How much money does one person need to live comfortably.
CEO's remuneration should be tied to the average workers wage in a company by a formula which rewards everyone in that company equally.
If a company makes a profit, its shareholders should also benefit.
We, the workers of Australia, will fight this with every fibre in our body, as we voted against work choices for a fair and just deal for all.
They will not win.
It is war again, not brought on by us, but by them.
They will be spent, and karma and justice will prevail once more.
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Well, that's all good and well FedSec. However, I just hope the water isn't over your head.
Like I say, I am a supporter of the cause but commenting to the effect of don't fly Qantas is amateur hour. We need to play smarter than that.
No need to antagonize the opposition. Our actions (o/t bans and the subsequent effects) should be left to make our point heard.
I appreciate that sitting in a room opposite the Qantas negotiation stonewall artists would be an exercise in extreme frustration. Just don't give the bastards the satisfaction of supplying the media with quotes they can make you eat.
And I hope the ALAEA team has a contingency for when this weak federal government puts it's incompetent 2 cents in via FWA. Sounds to me like the end game will come from them before Christmas.
Like I say, I am a supporter of the cause but commenting to the effect of don't fly Qantas is amateur hour. We need to play smarter than that.
No need to antagonize the opposition. Our actions (o/t bans and the subsequent effects) should be left to make our point heard.
I appreciate that sitting in a room opposite the Qantas negotiation stonewall artists would be an exercise in extreme frustration. Just don't give the bastards the satisfaction of supplying the media with quotes they can make you eat.
And I hope the ALAEA team has a contingency for when this weak federal government puts it's incompetent 2 cents in via FWA. Sounds to me like the end game will come from them before Christmas.
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Never say die !
Just remember no matter what happens, they cant force anybody to do OT.
You still have to work within the procedures manual, AMM, MEL etc . .
No short cuts, take 5, and remember safety is our priority.
GLTA !
You still have to work within the procedures manual, AMM, MEL etc . .
No short cuts, take 5, and remember safety is our priority.
GLTA !
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Damn straight QF22,
If our PIA is kyboshed as the PR machine is now angling for - there will be one almighty concentration on:
*SAFETY BEFORE SCHEDULE
*Take Five.
*B-Safe
*Air-Safe
*Equipment pre-use checks
*Checking of qualification currency etc, etc
There are many ways to win a war - and we have lots of weapons.
Best of all - if any manager even thinks of "harrassing, intimidating or applying pressure" to anyone doing their job correctly - they will be reported immediately to management and / or the whistleblower hotline contacted. (as per executive order)
I'll pull up a nice cosy position on that bank - no matter how long it takes - or no matter what intervention happens - i'll be sure to see some bodies float past - you can bet on it.
If our PIA is kyboshed as the PR machine is now angling for - there will be one almighty concentration on:
*SAFETY BEFORE SCHEDULE
*Take Five.
*B-Safe
*Air-Safe
*Equipment pre-use checks
*Checking of qualification currency etc, etc
There are many ways to win a war - and we have lots of weapons.
Best of all - if any manager even thinks of "harrassing, intimidating or applying pressure" to anyone doing their job correctly - they will be reported immediately to management and / or the whistleblower hotline contacted. (as per executive order)
I'll pull up a nice cosy position on that bank - no matter how long it takes - or no matter what intervention happens - i'll be sure to see some bodies float past - you can bet on it.
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Steve,
Just saw Martin Ferguson on TV, he says you are UNAUSTRALIAN.
Then he rambled on about how because YOU are NOT doing the right thing the Government may be forced to make you negotiate under Fair Work Australia, is that not want you are doing and want anyway.
After I could take no more of any of the News services which only put the Qantas view, I was listening to just one of our normal radio stations. They had a brief news segment quoting Olivia and AJ about how it is ALL the Unions fault, but then they have a talkback session, I nearly wet myself laughing, the Public are NOT as stupid as Olivia and AJ think, EVERY caller wanted to discuss the trouble at Qantas, and while all were disappointed at the disruptions EVERY caller said they knew it was all the fault of Qantas and NOT the Unions, despite the host trying to put the official Qantas rubbish.
Seems most people are not as gullible as Olivia and AJ think.
Just saw Martin Ferguson on TV, he says you are UNAUSTRALIAN.
Then he rambled on about how because YOU are NOT doing the right thing the Government may be forced to make you negotiate under Fair Work Australia, is that not want you are doing and want anyway.
After I could take no more of any of the News services which only put the Qantas view, I was listening to just one of our normal radio stations. They had a brief news segment quoting Olivia and AJ about how it is ALL the Unions fault, but then they have a talkback session, I nearly wet myself laughing, the Public are NOT as stupid as Olivia and AJ think, EVERY caller wanted to discuss the trouble at Qantas, and while all were disappointed at the disruptions EVERY caller said they knew it was all the fault of Qantas and NOT the Unions, despite the host trying to put the official Qantas rubbish.
Seems most people are not as gullible as Olivia and AJ think.
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Wasn't Martin Ferguson head of the ACTU.
It would seem these traditional union guys are a sell out.
Steve, are you getting support ACTU in this matter. Do they still run the ALP, I thought that was stiil the case given most of the senior Union guys were given a free ride into safe labour seats.
There is skullduggery everywhere it would seem.
It would seem these traditional union guys are a sell out.
Steve, are you getting support ACTU in this matter. Do they still run the ALP, I thought that was stiil the case given most of the senior Union guys were given a free ride into safe labour seats.
There is skullduggery everywhere it would seem.
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Rest assured everyone, that as a lifelong Labor voter, should the Federal Government ever choose to intervene in this dispute between the ALAEA and that airline, it would certainly be the last time I ever voted for Labor (in any form) in any election.
Furguson's views seem in stark contrast to his previous positions within the ACTU but then why am I surprised at that, he is simply nothing more than a politician.
Furguson's views seem in stark contrast to his previous positions within the ACTU but then why am I surprised at that, he is simply nothing more than a politician.
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Rather than Virgin leasing 4 A330 from Lan Chile to use for the next 4months with their new ad campaign for Xmas break , they could lease the 5 aircraft Qantas had grounded as a wet lease .Keep the profits within Australia 
progress??
Heard on the midday news that the 'right of entry' case has been dropped by the assoc & that the company have agreed to meeting/talks.Not sure if it is happening today but what a reversal/backdown by the company.
Let's hope that they are fair dinkum this time & that some progress can be made,it all falls down to constructive dialogue which means effort at the negotiating table rather than media propaganda & vast sums of money being wasted on newspaper ads.
Anyway,even if the government step in & make pia illegal,if you have had a beer just before the phone rings,you will just have to decline the o/t offer politely!
Let's hope that they are fair dinkum this time & that some progress can be made,it all falls down to constructive dialogue which means effort at the negotiating table rather than media propaganda & vast sums of money being wasted on newspaper ads.
Anyway,even if the government step in & make pia illegal,if you have had a beer just before the phone rings,you will just have to decline the o/t offer politely!