Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
600ft-lb said:
Very well said. When we ask ourselves "How did we end up with this crap (insert name of board / government / council etc here)? - the answer is usually that is happened while we were being too lazy to give a crap. Apathy is a dangerous thing.
But I have come to realise 1 thing in this whole dispute, people in general are gullible. If a so called 'trusted' source of information, ie the TV or that rag made from paper tells them something, they believe it. No questioning, no challenging of the information. It's accepted as gospel from the moment is passes through the visual cortex and is registered in the brain.
I also realise that Qantas knows this.
1+1 = people like you, who believe the bull**** without question and public opinion has therefore been swayed. They know you're a gullible pleb and you've been completely played for what you are.
I also realise that Qantas knows this.
1+1 = people like you, who believe the bull**** without question and public opinion has therefore been swayed. They know you're a gullible pleb and you've been completely played for what you are.
Very well said. When we ask ourselves "How did we end up with this crap (insert name of board / government / council etc here)? - the answer is usually that is happened while we were being too lazy to give a crap. Apathy is a dangerous thing.
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Qantas emailed me and said they do not want to meet today.
I have no doubt they will continue to roll out the comment - we urge the union to return to the negotiation table.
I have no doubt they will continue to roll out the comment - we urge the union to return to the negotiation table.
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Steve, at the risk of stating the obvious; have you approached (bombarded) the media outlets with their response and compared it to OW's request that you guys go back to the table?
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both Emirates and Singapore have exemplary safety records and are run to the very highest international standards
Fed Sec - I assume you forwarded the email on to the press
or can't you do that
or can't you do that
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Fed Sec. Can the Qantas EBA offer be posted here? That may put some of the journos back in their box, GT (tosser) in particular. Considering the last point has also been outsourced since the offer made.
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That Globalmedia article is written by a self proclaimed PR hack. From the experience below, he doesn't appear to have a shred of aviation experience, organizing tourism marketing is about as close as he gets.
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I don't think the public do follow the media blindly these days. The ferals don't follow any of it (because they don't care) and the smart people are getting very sceptical about cash for comment, bias and all the rest of it. Qantas may be winning on volume, but I think Steve's winning on content.
The phrases I keep hearing from a variety of non-aviation people about this issue are 'fat cats', 'layoffs', 'selling Qantas offshore' and 'executive salaries.'
The Australian making the ALAEA out to be a bunch of waterfront thugs is hardly surprising when you consider the number of 'bring back Work Choices' opinion pieces they've been running lately. Another one was about how shift penalties are an anachronism and should be gotten rid of (obviously written by someone who doesn't do night shifts). It's blatantly obvious that their editorial stance is anti-worker and pro big business.
If they had their way we'd all be earning a bag of potatoes a day and be Jolly Grateful For the Privilege
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I don't think the public do follow the media blindly these days. The ferals don't follow any of it (because they don't care) and the smart people are getting very sceptical about cash for comment, bias and all the rest of it. Qantas may be winning on volume, but I think Steve's winning on content.
The phrases I keep hearing from a variety of non-aviation people about this issue are 'fat cats', 'layoffs', 'selling Qantas offshore' and 'executive salaries.'
The Australian making the ALAEA out to be a bunch of waterfront thugs is hardly surprising when you consider the number of 'bring back Work Choices' opinion pieces they've been running lately. Another one was about how shift penalties are an anachronism and should be gotten rid of (obviously written by someone who doesn't do night shifts). It's blatantly obvious that their editorial stance is anti-worker and pro big business.
If they had their way we'd all be earning a bag of potatoes a day and be Jolly Grateful For the Privilege
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This campaign by the TWU/AIPA/ ALAEA troika is starting to turn , unfortunately for the members of these organisations not in their favour .
The leaders of the organisations are using this campaign to further their own political agendas . National President ALP , Seat in the Senate , don't tknow what the other guy wants.
Union members will pay the price for this , people are growing tired of being stuffed around by self appointed Union heads who know how to ruin( sorry run ) an Airline business.
Keep this up and their will be lots of casualties in excess of the 1,000.
Unions today I am sad to say have lost touch with poitical reality
The leaders of the organisations are using this campaign to further their own political agendas . National President ALP , Seat in the Senate , don't tknow what the other guy wants.
Union members will pay the price for this , people are growing tired of being stuffed around by self appointed Union heads who know how to ruin( sorry run ) an Airline business.
Keep this up and their will be lots of casualties in excess of the 1,000.
Unions today I am sad to say have lost touch with poitical reality
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Blood is thicker than water…but cash is the thickest….
I've been telling them but there are so many more important points I need to make in the limited opportunities we get.
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It's interesting to note, that these disruptions could be further minimised by Qantas, by actually bringing people in on overtime. As stated on all the notices sent by the Union to Qantas.
Politicians and more particularly the general public need to be confronted with the fact that there is more to this industrial unrest than meets the eye. Australian workers are not permitted to take industrial action when they are presented with daily evidence that the board and management are either incompetent or are deliberately trying to destroy Qantas, but they can withdraw their labour over a modest single digit pay claim when the company will not engage in meaningful talks while the CEO feels that he is entitled to a 71% increase. Unfortunately, all the general public see in this is pay claims and inconvenience to travellers. They have no appreciation of the underlying anger felt by the staff while their leaders set about dismantling a proud national icon and turning it into something loathsome. It's not about dinosaurs being unwilling to accept change. It's all about long term employees who are trustees of the corporate memory watching short term poseurs ignoring hard earned lessons of the past. In carelessly discarding things that made Qantas special they have lost sight of the concept of doing the job properly. They need to be reminded that profit through mediocrity is failure.
If indeed Qantas international is underperforming, that’s not the fault of the staff. That is the fault of management who continue to be rewarded for their failures. If indeed Qantas international is underperforming, it may have more to do with the fact that many managers came from domestic operations and never really grasped the fact that international operations are different. Because they are out of their depth they adopt the “ignore it and it might go away” approach. The tragedy is that their wish is being fulfilled.
Clearly the penny hasn’t dropped for the majority of the general public that there has to be more to this if three of the major unions are in dispute with the company. This is understandable when the public get their “facts” from full-page Qantas ads and a compliant media. This imbalance needs to be corrected. Could not the unions combine their resources to fund newspaper ads to counter Qantas propaganda? This would also serve to present a united front and mitigate any suggestion that it is all about a pay grab.
Pray for Qantas.
If indeed Qantas international is underperforming, that’s not the fault of the staff. That is the fault of management who continue to be rewarded for their failures. If indeed Qantas international is underperforming, it may have more to do with the fact that many managers came from domestic operations and never really grasped the fact that international operations are different. Because they are out of their depth they adopt the “ignore it and it might go away” approach. The tragedy is that their wish is being fulfilled.
Clearly the penny hasn’t dropped for the majority of the general public that there has to be more to this if three of the major unions are in dispute with the company. This is understandable when the public get their “facts” from full-page Qantas ads and a compliant media. This imbalance needs to be corrected. Could not the unions combine their resources to fund newspaper ads to counter Qantas propaganda? This would also serve to present a united front and mitigate any suggestion that it is all about a pay grab.
Pray for Qantas.
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Make Your Shareholding Count @ QF AGM
Meeting notices and proxy forms should have arrived for QF staff who are shareholders. Once again shareholders are being asked to vote on the re-election of Directors, the remuneration report and the long term incentive plan for Alan Joyce.
I urge you all to view this article online here and make your shareholding count at the Qantas AGM:
www.asu.asn.au/media/airlines_qantas/20111004_qantas.html
Maintain the rage!
I urge you all to view this article online here and make your shareholding count at the Qantas AGM:
www.asu.asn.au/media/airlines_qantas/20111004_qantas.html
Maintain the rage!
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both Emirates and Singapore have exemplary safety records and are run to the very highest international standards
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"If indeed Qantas international is underperforming, it may have more to do with the fact that many managers came from domestic operations and never really grasped the fact that international operations are different."
What a load of !$@&. The whole "Red tail, Blue tail" debate is sooooo last century! Time to move on! You're forgetting what part of the operation is actually making money for the airline - DOMESTIC!!!!!!!
"If indeed Qantas international is underperforming, it may have more to do with the fact that many managers came from domestic operations and never really grasped the fact that international operations are different."
What a load of !$@&. The whole "Red tail, Blue tail" debate is sooooo last century! Time to move on! You're forgetting what part of the operation is actually making money for the airline - DOMESTIC!!!!!!!
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Hey pabs
Well your last comment certainly shows what colour you are !
Yes it was last century, literally!
Let me see A330-200s for domestics ops bcoz they thought they were short range like 767-200s.
A330s instead of 777 s bcoz they were cheap! ( you get what you pay for!)
Bow tie boy surrounded himself with his blue buddies, it was the start of the rot, and the red rat has gone downhill ever since.
As a mate used to say QF is just a domestic airline that flies overseas occasionally !
And JQ just makes matters worse !
QF RIP !
Yes it was last century, literally!
Let me see A330-200s for domestics ops bcoz they thought they were short range like 767-200s.
A330s instead of 777 s bcoz they were cheap! ( you get what you pay for!)
Bow tie boy surrounded himself with his blue buddies, it was the start of the rot, and the red rat has gone downhill ever since.
As a mate used to say QF is just a domestic airline that flies overseas occasionally !
And JQ just makes matters worse !
QF RIP !