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Old 15th Apr 2009, 06:42
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QD Crew

I think it is very unlikely that the company would make any QD crew redundant. All of the QD crew are Perth based, and Perth is the only base that does not have a surplus of crew. In fact the company are still trying to build up the Perth base. The current round of LWOP being offered to shorthaul cabin crew excludes any Perth based crew. The company will claim that the surplus of cabin crew applies only to the east coast, therefore only QF and MAM will be affected.

I have heard (and it is only just rumour) that the shorthaul union are considering asking all shorthaul crew to take a reduction in working hours to preserve jobs, and avoid forced redundancies. As far as MAM casuals go, I think it would depend on their individual contracts, however I assume the company just wouldn't give them any flying at all until things pick up again in the future.
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 06:48
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could also tell management to provide more patterns through perth. QF has known for a while of the downturn.
as for longhaul; close LHR, then BKK and last AKL, transfer aussie crew back to Syd into QCA and remove all fish bowl attendants, bring back line managers and you save 40 Million+. just a thought
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 07:01
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YES all the overseas bases should close first.
if the government and qantas are serious about preserving australian jobs, then the o/s bases should be closed first!
then there would be no surplus crew
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 07:24
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Close Overseas Bases !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I totally agree with my colleagues who have posted above....close all overseas bases. Why should Aussie jobs go before foreign nationals employed in other countries?????????? If the company starts shedding off Australian jobs before foreign nationals, then I hope to God that the FAAA and other unions bring it to the attention of the media and the public....there would be a massive backlash against the company.
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 07:33
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YES all the overseas bases should close first.
Be careful what you wish for.

Closing overseas bases puts costs up, so more red ink, so less flying, so less jobs all round.
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 07:57
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I can see it now..........

CLOSE THE OFFSHORE BASES..............and we will accept the same pay and conditions.......

Into the bunker!
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 08:03
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may not put

costs up, Jaba. QF now has local QCCA contracts which gives them the flexibility and similar cost base then LHR or AKL. BKK is something else more like slave wages( i think there are only a 100 or so left). lets not forget that running the bases, including more managers, paying for training overseas, relocation expenses, flying F/A's to SYD for training and so on costs a bundle. would be interesting to do a detailed cost benefit analyses.
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 08:40
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The whole last on first off principle is likely to be enforced but on a fleet by fleet basis. Read the award - Mmmbop - it doesn't specify that OVERALL seniority will be used during redundancies.

Ideally the company would love to trim off the bottom of the overcrewed fleets rather than doing a huge retraining shuffle. I'm pretty sure they can do it. AoA I'll take that bet!

Keep in mind though, VR will probably rear it's head before you see forced redundancies. Sure it'll involve retraining but I think it'll help keep the pilot group on side and it seems the current management is more eager to do so than it has been in the past so who knows.

The company will have an extraordinarily hard time head-hunting individuals for redundancy. I can't see that happening at all so rest easy troublemakers.

Here's hoping all those seeeeenior captains whose investments tanked will realise you don't need squillions in the bank, or markets, or property to kick back, sink piss with your mates, play golf, road trip with the missus (or mistress), fish off a beach, play lawn bowls, watch the cricket, play with the grandkids, etc, etc. The world is yours fellas, leave the flying to us, you've taught us well.
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 09:25
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First ...

My sincere appreciation to the previous 7 pages for such hilarious entertainment, particularly "dog of the sea" or whoever ... ah yes .... troll "Elperro".

Rule No 1 ..... don't feed the trolls.

The reality is (conspiracy theories notwithsanding) that IF there are any redundancies needed (and that is a BIG 'if") then voluntary redundancies will first be offered. My (uneducated) guess is that these will be oversubscribed.

As a side note ... the announcement of 10 aircraft parked is "equivalent" aircraft. Not the same thing. Effectively, some of the older 767s will be parked, and 747-400s will be replaced on a one-for-one basis by A380s.

Of course some of the flying reduction is taken care of by reduction of flying to the minimum per crew FROM the maximum per crew.

Apologies for the boring reality.

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Old 15th Apr 2009, 10:05
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i think that you can tell from the relative calm from the LH FAAA newsletters that they are managing the situation with the COmpany and if there was the immediate chance of redundancy you would getting far more detailed newsletters and the immediate calling of meetings

As it is the newsletters are indicating that the leave burn process, the 75% rosters and the LWOP pay is doing the trick at this stage.

It is also clear that the EBA provides for last on first off, but that the FAAA is viewing ANY redundancy of onshore crew is to be avoided as a priority.

I am sure that they are also in discussion with the Company about the overseas bases as well, but it is unlikely that the nature of any "sensitive" discussions about where any potential job losses across the Qantas group might come from will be canvassed in newsletters

What the LH FAAA have been saying to members that call the office is apparently, that there is no need to start panicking about job security as they are working through a number of other options which would obviously include VR before any CR could be contemplated.

In fact the ACTU and all Qantas Unions will be meeting Alan Joyce directly to press for onshore job security
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 10:24
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What has not been highlighted is GD's personal stoush with a union that has cost our company over $200mil. A fight to stop them from getting a few mil, which was well below the $12.8mil he took home last fin year. He should be held accountable and taken to task for this amount. It would have come in handy about now.

Our poor management decisions will now catch up with us, due to the fact we are being led by mostly untalented and in-experienced managers that do not know how to create income streams. They only know how to cut costs. Take the SIT for example. I am sure they have saved a few hundred thousand dollars by terminating all the customer contracts, although they have lost millions in revenue, not to mention even lower staff morale. Good work fellas.

How long can we keep losing millions per month? How long can an unprofitable airline operate? Do you think Qantas is immune to bankrupcy? Cost cutting is a very finite practice.

Those being laid off are the lucky ones. They get a head start in an already tight labor market, and a garunteed pay-out.
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 11:21
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Those being laid off are the lucky ones. They get a head start in an already tight labor market, and a garunteed pay-out.
Big call on above !!!!!
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Thanks Peg747

for the unions insight. its unfortunate that there is deafening silence from the cabin crew management bunker. are there any managers left?
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 12:02
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Of course some of the flying reduction is taken care of by reduction of flying to the minimum per crew FROM the maximum per crew.
Before this most recent announcement of capacity cuts, the pilot divisor for almost all fleets was 160. This IS the minimum per crew.
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 12:03
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sadly until BCG tell them who is going and who is staying, its pretty dysfunctional in management

the sooner they put the ones leaving out of their misery the rest can concentrate in turning the mess around.

Scrotum face certainly timed his departure.

Anyone connnected with the APA bid is finally being drummed out. I think Borghetti was one of the last. I think there are a few to go yet
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 12:06
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bull****.
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 12:07
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Expectations of Management

Expect nothing from Cabin Crew management and you will never be disappointed.
Over the coming months you can expect to see some new faces on QCC1.
All those that used to hide on the fourth floor have been told to migrate south ....to the first floor.
You will be able to put a face to a name.
Some of the old faces will disappear never to be seen again...or if you are lucky(not) you may run into them in a supermarket where they will treat you like a long lost friend.
Cabin Services managment can be best characterized as nasty dysfunctional,incompetent sychophants.They should go back to the bleak black space from which they came.Not one will be missed
God Save and God Bless the service desk girls.They preserve our sanity
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 12:11
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bull**** at the divisors or bull**** at the minimum?
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"Cabin Services managment can be best characterized as nasty dysfunctional,incompetent sychophants.They should go back to the bleak black space from which they came.Not one will be missed
God Save and God Bless the service desk girls.They preserve our sanity"

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Yep, right on all counts.

The service desk girls really are the only form of humanity existing on QCC1.

It would be a huge mistake to remove them. There're competent.
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 12:20
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Want to be a little more precise sonny.?
The quality of your posts can but improve
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