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Old 15th Apr 2009, 00:37
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Qantas has called for a review of Australia's aircraft depreciation schedule to bring it into line with the extremely favourable tax regimes enjoyed by rivals Cathay Pacific and Emirates.
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Captain,my take as well.There were 2 parties involved in that dispute.One side has now moved on to pursue other interests ,the other continuing to do what they have always done, where their work has not been given away.I believe that dispute could have been ended much sooner if not for the arrogant and immoral approach from past managers.Lets hope for a more balanced approach in future.
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 00:57
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Fleet reduction

Any rumours or speculation on which aircraft might be sold/grounded?
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 01:23
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I would like to see the aircraft parked and worked on until nil defects. then if an aircraft goes u/s we have a serviceable spare
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 01:26
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Fleet reduction

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Any rumours or speculation on which aircraft might be sold/grounded?
Please please - let it be those piece of s#%@ ZX 767's!

By the way it, suits this managements style to drive the wedge and implicate the engineers dispute as to the reason we are in this mess. Better than blaiming rich banking managers with "nose in trough" syndrome - too close to home me thinks!
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 01:33
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brissy sparky colt

Dixon was a squatter who neglected the house, allowing nests of rodents to infest it. Joyce is the new owner builder. First job, clear out the rodents before you start rebuilding
I do like that analogy, lol

AJ needs to clear the decks.I dont like what he will do in "jetstarring" qantas but if they can do without 590 managers what flying gibbering ^%$# was dixon doing !!!

Hell how many are still left?? I hope AJ keeps the bonus system.If you do your job you get to keep it.Thats your bonus!

I dont like anyone losing their job ,even those I dont like , but it would appear that some have been getting paid for no apparent reason.
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Its like that now , regularly have an ops spare in syd.But I do like your thinking.
If they cant be sold, do have a spare or 3 for a turnaround in pax numbers, special situations and AOG's etc.
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 01:41
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I would like to see the aircraft parked and worked on until nil defects. then if an aircraft goes u/s we have a serviceable spare
I hope that can happen too.
It is mad when we lose one aircraft for a few days (or weeks or months) which causes schedules to be scrambled.
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The fancy little bits added up to an average of around 4.5%.Many who were not being paid for certain qualifications did very well indeed.
We didnt back down, pls it was not like that.Some more militant may say that but it was a good offer and pretty much what we were after.The statements issued by Darth and crew were face saving.We gave them a 3% headline, the fancy bits were icing on the cake and 50 % higher than the headline number.Makes a big difference when it compounds too.
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how true! the service desk girls are just fantastic,they are the backbone of QCC1, If you ever need anything done they will do it! they are the best, I hope nothing happens to them.
In the meantime its true the dwellers in the "glass" boulevard are always in meeting and having coffee's or simply doing nothing. However i still don't want any of them to lose their jobs..... they amuse me!

NOW! the service delivery area needs a good cleanout! AP TM GK and all that [email protected] should simply be shown the door! of course with the correct badges on!
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 03:17
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Qantas has called for a review of Australia's aircraft depreciation schedule to bring it into line with the extremely favourable tax regimes enjoyed by rivals Cathay Pacific and Emirates
They have been calling for that for nearly 10 years! Unfair playing field and all that.
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 03:22
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What will happen to the AMEs

Just wondering what will happen to the recently employed engineers,(if the papers are correct 500 engineers are due to go!) heard some are due to start sometime this month or early May?

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Old 15th Apr 2009, 03:29
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Quoting jackson

AJ is telegenic and composed with an endearing Irish accent...the perfect PR man.
I don't think so at all, he is composed yes, but comes across like some slightly mentally retarded moron with a f**ked up accent, nothing telegenic at all, no charisma whatsoever, makes me cringe just to watch him.
Someone like Obama is the perfect PR man, AJ on the other hand just comes across like a weird man with some sort of mental problem.
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 03:45
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Do I think the Engineer's EBA was bad? Yes. Now what's your point?
El Perro (aka aircraft or PAF), humour us and tell us what you consider would have been a "good" EBA for the engineers. While you're at it, explain to us exactly what "industrial action" was taken. I remember a 4 hour stop work meeting. The only other thing I can remember is SOME of the engineers not doing OT. You seriously telling everyone on this board that a 4 hour stop work meeting cost the company $150mil, and put it in the position it is in now?

Oh, also, you haven't responded to this from BSC:

Now will dixon aplogise for having his nose in the trough? Money wasted on the APA bid? Freight collusion fines? Lack of action earlier on fleet upgrades?
And there are many more examples that haven't been touched on in the above quote.

So using your logic, the QF planes would now all be full of full fare paying premium pax if the engineers would have taken the company offer. It's nothing to do with some little world wide economic problem.

SQ, CX, BA etc have all had a dramatic fall in premium pax travel, so did they all have engineers taking industrial action last year? Or is ALAEA to blame for their problems as well?
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 03:59
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Technical glitch.....??

The big news about Qantas shedding jobs and downgrading profits got a major run in all news outlets last night and this morning -- right? Well, almost all news outlets. Not a word of it was reported on the National Nine TV News shown on a peak-time Qantas flight from Sydney to Melbourne yesterday evening. Must have been omitted due to a technical glitch.
(from Crikey Tips and Rumours)
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 04:05
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Yes it was really nice of the company to inform us of this prior to it appearing on the news.

Wrt onboard news tapes, they are sometimes provided to the crew early in the morning or lunch time for the PM edition, as they are not totally up to date if the news only reported it in the evening then they would likely not have it on the tape. On the other hand can you imagine if it had been on there for all the crew to see????? Riot on board no doubt

Now on a m ore serious note, there are many crew worried for our jobs, especially the MAM casuals and those more recently employed by Qantas Domestic. Does anyone know what the rights are with casual crew with regard to redundancy? We were told should we join QD our service with MAM will be taken into account, but nothing was mentioned for those of us who did not get offered a job with QD. How will it work, will it just be start date working backwards from today, regardless of QD/MAM/QAL etc? Or does it depend on EBA version?

And if casual crew get the can after 12 months continuous service, are we entitled to anything? The FAAA of course is not answering their phones, I imagine due to the volume of calls being received!
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 04:35
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The last on first off provisions of the short haul EBA do not rope in QD as they are on a separate EBA as far as i know.

In relation to MAM casuals the way the law works is that their contract of employment is from the start of the shift to the end of the shift. Thats the way the law works for casuals.

i don't think that they are entitled to any redundancy payments i just think that the the company just needs to tell them that they are no longer required but i dont think that the company would be really keen to get rid of them and neither would the QAL crew as casuals support the FWA

just an opinion...
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Pegasus, that may be true for casuals working in coles, but does it apply to casuals who work full time hours? I know in ' regular job land' one has to be made permanent after a certain amount of time, now with an EBA obviously this does not apply to us but you'd think there'd be some sort of entitlement for those who have been there for 5 years supporting the company. My main argument for casuals to stay is as you said, they support FWA (plus look what happened in MEL this Easter weekend- most of the flying was done by Perth crew!) but we basically want to have an idea how likely it is that we will get the chop so we can start making plans. It'd be a shame to see casuals go before QDs who have been here 5 minutes (no offence guys)

I guess what I am asking is do we know yet how it will work if worst comes to worst? Trying to read that EBA does my head in, plus half the stuff in it doesn't apply to casual crew. Hopefully enough people will take VR or job share/PT so that giving people the boot doesn't have to happen.
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Old 15th Apr 2009, 05:16
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From Wikipedia

Contingent work, also sometimes known as casual work, is a neologism which describes a type of employment relationship between an employer and employee. There is no universally agreed consensus on what type of working arrangement constitutes contingent work, but it is generally considered to be any one or combination of the following:
Work which is temporary or lacks job security
Work which is part time
Work which is paid on a piece work basis
or any work which does not pay what is considered a living wage

You take the risk you pay the price.
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i am aware that the SH FAAA is meeting with senior cabin crew management today to discuss the ramifications of the slow down.

Hopefully they will be in a position to discuss things with members later today
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