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Make no mistake, behind closed doors Mr
Joyce must be wetting himself with excitement at what opportunity now exists for him. He can keep cutting Qantas, making it lean and mean, and expand the crap out Jetstar. Surely you realise as the CEO , his job is not just about tomorrow, but the next 10 years. It ain't going to get any easier in this industry over the next few years. I think 1750 is only the start, this guy is gong to go town on Qantas.
Joyce must be wetting himself with excitement at what opportunity now exists for him. He can keep cutting Qantas, making it lean and mean, and expand the crap out Jetstar. Surely you realise as the CEO , his job is not just about tomorrow, but the next 10 years. It ain't going to get any easier in this industry over the next few years. I think 1750 is only the start, this guy is gong to go town on Qantas.
So tell ElPerro?? Who exactly determines Aircrew productivity and what are the benchmarks they use ?? How do you compare fleets, ranks, bases, roles (Check and Train, Tech pilots etc.)
It's totally unworkable in a large and diverse Airline like QF and you know it, or if you don't you exspose yourself as a self proclaimed 'exspurt'. In terms of productivity, every pilot is locked into the same complex system of line flying, recurrent checks and training. You are showing a fair amount of ignorance as to what goes on in any large airline operation.
It's totally unworkable in a large and diverse Airline like QF and you know it, or if you don't you exspose yourself as a self proclaimed 'exspurt'. In terms of productivity, every pilot is locked into the same complex system of line flying, recurrent checks and training. You are showing a fair amount of ignorance as to what goes on in any large airline operation.
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ElPerro, goes to show how a great and mighty company is run when no overtime is available and creates a $150M black hole. Also recall wage freeze during last big upheaval. Wot Next? News flash.. "ALAEA traced as source of world recession due to its PIA"
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The Organ Grinder and The Monkey
Clifford is the organ grinder...guess who the monkey is?
The Chairman is calling the shots here...AJ is telegenic and composed with an endearing Irish accent...the perfect PR man.
The organ grinder will keep him on a tight leash and will exploit every opportunity.
As far as being lean and mean Qantas has had the guts cut out of it over the last seven years.The only fat left to trim is executive level management.The troops are thin on the ground everywhere else.
Retiring expensive to operate older aircraft is common sense.They were to be retird any way...the time frame has just been altered.
This current scenario will change.In twelve to eighteen months pent up demand will explode and load factors will be back into the high 80%.Just like SARS and 911 this is temporary.Worse agreed...but still temporary.
BTW...have you tried to book a seat to Europe?
Reducing capacity elevates yield.
Lets not forget that QF is still up for a profit this financial year.A small profit but a profit nonetheless.
How many other carriers will generate profit this year?Not many
The Chairman is calling the shots here...AJ is telegenic and composed with an endearing Irish accent...the perfect PR man.
The organ grinder will keep him on a tight leash and will exploit every opportunity.
As far as being lean and mean Qantas has had the guts cut out of it over the last seven years.The only fat left to trim is executive level management.The troops are thin on the ground everywhere else.
Retiring expensive to operate older aircraft is common sense.They were to be retird any way...the time frame has just been altered.
This current scenario will change.In twelve to eighteen months pent up demand will explode and load factors will be back into the high 80%.Just like SARS and 911 this is temporary.Worse agreed...but still temporary.
BTW...have you tried to book a seat to Europe?
Reducing capacity elevates yield.
Lets not forget that QF is still up for a profit this financial year.A small profit but a profit nonetheless.
How many other carriers will generate profit this year?Not many
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ahh yes elperro. It's all the fault of the ALAEA! They drove up costs and now the company is rooted. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the global economic crisis. Then again, maybe you blame the ALAEA for that too? Maybe you could try to pin global warming (oops) "climate change" on the unions too.
I didn't see the report, trying to find in on the ABC website but it looks like it's not up yet.
For the record, I think Alan Joyce is what Qantas needs at the moment. I haven't heard him say anything that makes me livid with anger as Dixon did however, if he did indeed blame the industrial action for the current state of Qantas, It would be the first.
Dixon was a squatter who neglected the house, allowing nests of rodents to infest it. Joyce is the new owner builder. First job, clear out the rodents before you start rebuilding.
I didn't see the report, trying to find in on the ABC website but it looks like it's not up yet.
For the record, I think Alan Joyce is what Qantas needs at the moment. I haven't heard him say anything that makes me livid with anger as Dixon did however, if he did indeed blame the industrial action for the current state of Qantas, It would be the first.
Dixon was a squatter who neglected the house, allowing nests of rodents to infest it. Joyce is the new owner builder. First job, clear out the rodents before you start rebuilding.
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ElPerro,
While you are on your podium why don't you compare the salaries of your pilots to those of your VB, J* peers. The engineers are only one cog in the chain, yes they received a reasonable pay rise that is now being used as propaganda in cost reductions, but how about a comparison on your terms and conditions.
Don't blindly believe this is the end of it, the flight crew retrenchments will happen because of their cost as well.
Maybe time to offer some cost savings to keep flight crew jobs!
What are you prepared to offer in savings for a junior's job security?
While you are on your podium why don't you compare the salaries of your pilots to those of your VB, J* peers. The engineers are only one cog in the chain, yes they received a reasonable pay rise that is now being used as propaganda in cost reductions, but how about a comparison on your terms and conditions.
Don't blindly believe this is the end of it, the flight crew retrenchments will happen because of their cost as well.
Maybe time to offer some cost savings to keep flight crew jobs!
What are you prepared to offer in savings for a junior's job security?
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Welcome to the real world mate! Regardless of your crappy talking it is a legal contract and in these time WE WIN! Simple and so great! So go and worship Howard and your other Cronies you can talk while WE WIN! Its very simple and quite frankly you lose! There is no damn duress you idiot it is an agreed clause if you dont like it EAT MY SHIRT! and I can guarantee a lot of sweat on it! lol!
Like most agreements undertaken by airlines and Unions many clauses are agreed to under duress during "good times". i.e. Airline thinks 'if I try and take out the seniority clauses regarding retrenchment the union will take Industrial action and cost us millions now'.
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I agree AoA . All Tech crew should take a hit or allow retrenchment based on performance. Maint crew should cop the brunt of the first $150 million though as a result of their industrial action. Reap what you sow.
For your excited information I work on an individual employment agreement (AWA). Not sure what you think "winning" is in a free environment. You sound like a left wing class warrior to me. Enjoy your battle.
For your excited information I work on an individual employment agreement (AWA). Not sure what you think "winning" is in a free environment. You sound like a left wing class warrior to me. Enjoy your battle.
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ElPerro no doubt you are one of those Neo CONS,it wasn't Stephan that cost the company 150m,it was those d!ckhead managers and HR,and that old fart Ian O,oh and lets not forget that 12m that Dixon took on the way out, how many jobs could that 12 m of saved and lets not also forget the legacy that man has left...
One other point,the Lame's had gained a grand total of 12% total over 6 yrs before this last EBA,that's 2 % pa.The pay rise was due....
One other point,the Lame's had gained a grand total of 12% total over 6 yrs before this last EBA,that's 2 % pa.The pay rise was due....
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Ok ElPerro. It was the engineers fault. We understand. As an engineer I apologise. Now will dixon aplogise for having his nose in the trough? Money wasted on the APA bid? Freight collusion fines? Lack of action earlier on fleet upgrades?
Probably not.
I withdraw my apology.
Wake up buddy.
Probably not.
I withdraw my apology.
Wake up buddy.
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Read the thread again about the Maint EBA. Look at the joy experienced by those members in costing the company money.
Stephen was the piper. Reap what you so. I feel sorry for the young blokes joining the bottom of the "union queue" who will realise the risk of your agreement.
BrissySparky : ok. So you admit wrong - you just think it was justified. Tell that to the young guys losing their jobs. I don't blame you guys for the lack of foresight. You were following Stephen. He's the man any guys losing their job need to think of. Take the credit when you win Stephen, accept the blame when your EBA tanks.
Stephen was the piper. Reap what you so. I feel sorry for the young blokes joining the bottom of the "union queue" who will realise the risk of your agreement.
BrissySparky : ok. So you admit wrong - you just think it was justified. Tell that to the young guys losing their jobs. I don't blame you guys for the lack of foresight. You were following Stephen. He's the man any guys losing their job need to think of. Take the credit when you win Stephen, accept the blame when your EBA tanks.
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[QUOTE]Maint crew should cop the brunt of the first $150 million though as a result of their industrial action. Reap what you sow.
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it takes two to tango his managers told him he would win.he does not work there anymore soon none of his advisors will either.
the 150 million they gambled to save a couple of million, dont foget his alternative work force been paid $150,000 for six months work this was paid out of this $150,000,000
if you got a issue ring dixon he may return his bonus
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it takes two to tango his managers told him he would win.he does not work there anymore soon none of his advisors will either.
the 150 million they gambled to save a couple of million, dont foget his alternative work force been paid $150,000 for six months work this was paid out of this $150,000,000
if you got a issue ring dixon he may return his bonus
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ElPerro, sarcasm is lost on you. I do not admit I am wrong, far from it. No young guys are running around wanting Purvinas's blood for losing their jobs. In fact, which young guys do you refer to?
Thankyou for selectively ignoring my bit about Dixons responsibility in all this.
Thankyou for selectively ignoring my bit about Dixons responsibility in all this.
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ok Bris Sparky and others,
If you voted for an EBA than means young, new members lose there jobs as opposed to those management would select for being deadwood - what do you say to them. You advocated - you've had one man taking delight in the fact... What do you say to the young guys who lose their jobs. Are you going to put money in their wallets? Doubt it.. A recession always demonstrates to the young that union's aren't interested in their hard work. They're only interested in how long you've been working as opposed to the quality and dedication of your work.
Shame. Which young guys - give it time... If they aren't after Stephen's blood it's because they don't understand what he has done.
The fact remains that you did what you thought was right. That's fine, but don't tell me that in hindsight what you did was in the interests of everyone. It wasn't. Least of all in the interests of the company trying it's best to keep you in employment.
If you voted for an EBA than means young, new members lose there jobs as opposed to those management would select for being deadwood - what do you say to them. You advocated - you've had one man taking delight in the fact... What do you say to the young guys who lose their jobs. Are you going to put money in their wallets? Doubt it.. A recession always demonstrates to the young that union's aren't interested in their hard work. They're only interested in how long you've been working as opposed to the quality and dedication of your work.
Shame. Which young guys - give it time... If they aren't after Stephen's blood it's because they don't understand what he has done.
The fact remains that you did what you thought was right. That's fine, but don't tell me that in hindsight what you did was in the interests of everyone. It wasn't. Least of all in the interests of the company trying it's best to keep you in employment.
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Centre of excellence
Yeah the managers who run that place are certainlly a waste of space
I know its not standard but ohh please these people live in a toime warp they need to really know how to earn a dollar and do a real job they need to go Alan Joyce are you listening!!!!
I know its not standard but ohh please these people live in a toime warp they need to really know how to earn a dollar and do a real job they need to go Alan Joyce are you listening!!!!
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ElPerro said....
You, ElPerro, do not understand.
Saw the 7:30 report video.
ElPerros mate Obie said....
"laid squarely at the feet"???
That's not what he said at all.
If they aren't after Stephen's blood it's because they don't understand what he has done.
Saw the 7:30 report video.
ElPerros mate Obie said....
Joyce also said on the 7:30 report that the current situation the company finds itself in can be laid squarely at the feet of the Qantas engineers who took industrial action last year!
That's not what he said at all.
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You sound like a left wing class warrior to me. Enjoy your battle.
And its been going on for a couple of decades btw! lol!
And I have won every single month! ^^
