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Oh yeh you'd have to be a real sucker to take a significant pay-rise from being an F/O here to a skipper in Singapore, paying much less tax, enjoying your days off anywhere on the Tiger network for cheap (beaches in Phuket, markets in Bangkok, Vietnam, China, India) getting some International flying experience and breaking the monotony of flying Sydney and Gold Coast runs day in, day out...
how do you reckon that will work for a married guy with kids ? and if Tiger Oz are flush for Captains at the end of 2 years are they just going to (A) absorb the extra (B) demote the existing Oz Captains or (C) make you wait til a spot available ( I choose (c)
Unfortunately, the labor government recently changed the tax laws. This means (for most people who go on temporary/short term) if you pay less tax overseas, you will then have the pay additional tax to Australia. Therefore you will be paying the same tax as in Australia.
Just remember when considering this " golden " opportunity the AUD is significantly stronger than SGD ( 1AUD = 1.22SGD ), cost of housing, car, medical and education 20-30% higher in SIN.
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If you're single it's worth taking. You will come out well ahead due to lower tax rates in Singapore. International flying experience around S.E. Asia, India and China goes down well in the log book. Experience a different culture and do some traveling around, beats SYD-MEL any day. If you watch the expenses and don't spend all your money on the SPGs you'll have a nice little nest egg to take back.
If you're married with no children bear in mind the wife is unlikely to earn as much as she could in Australia unless she has a highly skilled job. Singapore has access to cheap foreign labour and unions are weak eg. Checkout operator in a supermarket S$1200 a MONTH.
If you're married with children, do your sums VERY carefully. An international school will run S$1800-2500 per month, per child. Local schools available for pennies with a good standard but on the British system. See Singapore Expats - Expat relocation, Singapore property, housing, working, staying in Singapore. Singapore property rental / sale, Singapore apartment for rent, Singapore condo for rent, Singapore house for rent for useful budgeting info.
If you're single it's worth taking. You will come out well ahead due to lower tax rates in Singapore. International flying experience around S.E. Asia, India and China goes down well in the log book. Experience a different culture and do some traveling around, beats SYD-MEL any day. If you watch the expenses and don't spend all your money on the SPGs you'll have a nice little nest egg to take back.
If you're married with no children bear in mind the wife is unlikely to earn as much as she could in Australia unless she has a highly skilled job. Singapore has access to cheap foreign labour and unions are weak eg. Checkout operator in a supermarket S$1200 a MONTH.
If you're married with children, do your sums VERY carefully. An international school will run S$1800-2500 per month, per child. Local schools available for pennies with a good standard but on the British system. See Singapore Expats - Expat relocation, Singapore property, housing, working, staying in Singapore. Singapore property rental / sale, Singapore apartment for rent, Singapore condo for rent, Singapore house for rent for useful budgeting info.
Sounds like you've had the pep talk already BP
how do you reckon that will work for a married guy with kids ?
and if Tiger Oz are flush for Captains at the end of 2 years are they just going to (A) absorb the extra (B) demote the existing Oz Captains or (C) make you wait til a spot available ( I choose (c)
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You will come out well ahead due to lower tax rates in Singapore
Personally i would rather have cheap, interesting, cultured places like that at my disposal than the "Trashy" Gold Coast, "Exciting" Canberra etc.
Probably not so well, so if that's your situation don't do it, they're not forcing anyone
You'll have a Sing licence, work permit
A tiger skipper in Oz is financially better off than his SIN counterpart tho.
Take it from someone who's experience in Asia amounts to a bit more than a couple of 2 week holidays in Bali.....you can do without the sort of " excitement " you get up here
somewhere else.
if you think it's a good deal, take a look at CX, KA, Korean, Vietnam T&Cs
Both of which you lose the minute you leave ( SIN validation, not licence )
here's that link again :
IT 2650 - INCOME TAX: RESIDENCY - PERMANENT PLACE OF ABODE OUTSIDE AUSTRALIA (As at 8 August 1991)
IT 2650 - INCOME TAX: RESIDENCY - PERMANENT PLACE OF ABODE OUTSIDE AUSTRALIA (As at 8 August 1991)
John this is only true for people out of the country for less than 183 days
Please look at some examples in this document :
IT 2650 - INCOME TAX: RESIDENCY - PERMANENT PLACE OF ABODE OUTSIDE AUSTRALIA (As at 8 August 1991)
Here are some listed examples from the above document :
31. An Australian resident employee of a mining company was transferred overseas for a temporary work assignment for a period of 2 years and intended to return to Australia at the end of that period. The purpose of the assignment was for the employee to gain wider work experience. The employee was initially accompanied by his wife and children but the children returned to Australia to continue their schooling. The employee spent his annual holiday in Australia. During his absence from Australia he rented out his home and maintained bank accounts in Australia. He made no investments in the overseas country and remitted all money in excess of living requirements to Australia for investment. In those circumstances the taxpayer was not considered to be a resident of Australia under the ordinary meaning of the word "resident" but was considered to be a resident under the extended definition of that term.
Result: resident.
34. A bank officer was posted from Australia to the New Hebrides for 2 years only and never intended to stay any longer. During his overseas posting he maintained bank accounts in Australia, into one of which family allowance payments continued to be made, and let his Australian home unfurnished. He was accompanied by his wife and children. His place of abode in the New Hebrides was considered to be temporary or transitory for two reasons. Firstly, he lived, by the bank's continuing permission, in a house leased by the bank in the New Hebrides. Secondly, having regard to the 2- year period of his appointment, the taxpayer's relationship with his place of abode in Port Vila lacked " a more enduring relationship" (see Applegate per Fisher J 79 ATC at p.4317; 9 ATR at pp 910-911) with the particular place of abode than that expected to exist where a person ordinarily resides there or has there his usual place of abode (Case Q68 83 ATC 343; Case 132 26 CTBR(NS) 913).
Result : resident.
38. An airline company employee took a 2 to 3 year posting to an overseas country expecting to return to Australia at the end of that period. She was accompanied by her spouse and children and purchased a home in the overseas country while renting out the family home in Australia. She was considered to have remained a resident of Australia. However, if she decided to stay in the overseas country for a further period of, say, 2 years, she was to be treated as a non-resident during the additional 2 year period.
Result: resident during her posting.
Result: resident.
34. A bank officer was posted from Australia to the New Hebrides for 2 years only and never intended to stay any longer. During his overseas posting he maintained bank accounts in Australia, into one of which family allowance payments continued to be made, and let his Australian home unfurnished. He was accompanied by his wife and children. His place of abode in the New Hebrides was considered to be temporary or transitory for two reasons. Firstly, he lived, by the bank's continuing permission, in a house leased by the bank in the New Hebrides. Secondly, having regard to the 2- year period of his appointment, the taxpayer's relationship with his place of abode in Port Vila lacked " a more enduring relationship" (see Applegate per Fisher J 79 ATC at p.4317; 9 ATR at pp 910-911) with the particular place of abode than that expected to exist where a person ordinarily resides there or has there his usual place of abode (Case Q68 83 ATC 343; Case 132 26 CTBR(NS) 913).
Result : resident.
38. An airline company employee took a 2 to 3 year posting to an overseas country expecting to return to Australia at the end of that period. She was accompanied by her spouse and children and purchased a home in the overseas country while renting out the family home in Australia. She was considered to have remained a resident of Australia. However, if she decided to stay in the overseas country for a further period of, say, 2 years, she was to be treated as a non-resident during the additional 2 year period.
Result: resident during her posting.
Have a look at this part
Examples of residents and non-residents
Basically try to be Bronwyn. Obviously easier if you're single, but if you:
1. Stay away for an extended period
2. Establish a home overseas with your family.
3. Don't have accommodation available in Australia.
Then you should qualify as a non resident.
However if you:
1. Spend significant time in Australia.
2. Maintain a home there.
3. Have a wife/children living and working or attending school in Australia.
Then you will probably get caught in the tax net.
Cathay pilots who took Australian bases with their families, while claiming residence in Hong Kong know all about this.
Examples of residents and non-residents
Basically try to be Bronwyn. Obviously easier if you're single, but if you:
1. Stay away for an extended period
2. Establish a home overseas with your family.
3. Don't have accommodation available in Australia.
Then you should qualify as a non resident.
However if you:
1. Spend significant time in Australia.
2. Maintain a home there.
3. Have a wife/children living and working or attending school in Australia.
Then you will probably get caught in the tax net.
Cathay pilots who took Australian bases with their families, while claiming residence in Hong Kong know all about this.
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Don't think there is to much tax on S$3000 per month.
See here..
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...1-tiger-3.html
See here..
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...1-tiger-3.html
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John, point taken but it sounds like all the examples given were employed by Oz companies ?
Don't worry tho, if labour get back in I believe one of their goals is to tax expats, like the U.S., I mean how else are they going to fund all their blunders and spending
Metro, the " excitement " I was referring to was the flying, I'll take boring old Oz over " exciting " Asia anytime, snow, typhoons, monster T/S, lousy controlling ( yes, make SYD look good ) with lousy english and frequent long delays.
Cheers
Don't worry tho, if labour get back in I believe one of their goals is to tax expats, like the U.S., I mean how else are they going to fund all their blunders and spending
Metro, the " excitement " I was referring to was the flying, I'll take boring old Oz over " exciting " Asia anytime, snow, typhoons, monster T/S, lousy controlling ( yes, make SYD look good ) with lousy english and frequent long delays.
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OK so they are going to take one aircraft out of AD and one out of ML to base them in AV and cancel the two new ones that were suposed to arrive in November. Where does this leave all the wannabies that have done endo's, some as far back as February, in anticipation of a job??????
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I would say the company will take them on anyway and just carry them through until the expansion finally comes in 2017.
As Shelleys said - they are the fastest growing airline in Australia!!!
As Shelleys said - they are the fastest growing airline in Australia!!!
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Late news, boys and girls, but according to a certain state manager, the Adelaide base will close in mid November, with all staff having to relocate, including to overseas bases. What is it with Adelaide, not supporting viable crew basing?
