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Originally Posted by johannschmith
They are cancelling a couple of flights every day because they haven't got Captains to fly them (not because they have no passengers).
Originally Posted by johannschmith
One captain told me that even his sim training was being cancelled to operate flights. There are Mandala pilots joining soon but Tiger is desperately short of training captains so I wonder how they'll be trained.
Originally Posted by johannschmith
Don't forget, this is a company that has made profits for the past three years yet has never given their pilots a pay rise while the CEO gives himself a handy 10 million shares in the IPO.
Originally Posted by johannschmith
Yet another case of the rich getting richer and the poor having to make do with 3K a month which won't cover your rent in Singapore. Sure go there if you're desperate but don't expect to make a living wage. Use them the same way they'll use you. If you don't need that, then stay away. In any case Jetstar is offering a better deal in Singapore so why go to Tiger when that option is open?
Originally Posted by johannschmith
Emirates are here in Singapore early August (and in KL and Hong Kong) and just watch the Tiger and Jetstar guys get snapped up because they have what Emirates want and there are many ex-Tiger and ex-Jetstar guys in Emirates
Tiger does not train and bond pilots right from the beginning.
Taken from the Changi Airport website, Tiger Airways flight cancellations.
28/07
TR2326 to Ho Chi Minh
29/07
TR2326 to Ho Chi Minh
TR2794 to Manila(Clark)
TR2272 to Jakarta
TR2638 to Chennai
30/07
TR2902 to Macau
TR2152 to Phuket
TR2104 to Bangkok
At around 85% load factor that's a lot of unhappy passengers and this is occuring almost every day with 1-3 flight cancellations being the norm. Situation will only get worse in the short term as many are still working out their notice period and even more are preparing to walk if a decent offer isn't made soon.
All Singapore based pilots need either a package reflecting the city's high cost of living or a commensurately high monthly nett pay in lieu.
28/07
TR2326 to Ho Chi Minh
29/07
TR2326 to Ho Chi Minh
TR2794 to Manila(Clark)
TR2272 to Jakarta
TR2638 to Chennai
30/07
TR2902 to Macau
TR2152 to Phuket
TR2104 to Bangkok
At around 85% load factor that's a lot of unhappy passengers and this is occuring almost every day with 1-3 flight cancellations being the norm. Situation will only get worse in the short term as many are still working out their notice period and even more are preparing to walk if a decent offer isn't made soon.
All Singapore based pilots need either a package reflecting the city's high cost of living or a commensurately high monthly nett pay in lieu.
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Originally Posted by TODAYonline, 02 August, 2010
Mainboard-listed Tiger Airways is set to form an alliance with Thai Airways to start a low-cost carrier. The two sides are scheduled to organise a joint press conference in Bangkok today to announce the signing of a memorandum of understanding to establish the budget airline to be named Thai Tiger, reports said.
Originally Posted by TODAYonline, 02 August, 2010
Instead of spreading itself too thin, Tiger should "just concentrate on improving their service quality. That is a part where they are already lacking in among the low-cost airlines", Mr Singh said.
Originally Posted by TODAYonline, 02 August, 2010
AirAsia remains a dominant player among the low-cost carriers in Asia, analysts said, and Tiger is seen as lagging behind in terms of fleet size and network.
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QUOTE FROM TODAYONLINE:
But since its initial public offering, Tiger seems to be catching up quite rapidly.
"Tiger has been performing incredibly well in the first half of the year in terms of share price, forward bookings, growth and expansion plans," said Mr Shukor.
REF FROM FLIGHT INFORMATION 02 AUGUST 2010:
TR2102 BANGKOK CANCELLED
TR2326 HO CHI MINH CANCELLED
TR2908 MACAU CANCELLED
TR2272 JAKARTA RE-TIME
ARE THE ABOVE CANCELLATIONS/RE-TIME DUE PILOTS SHORTAGE?
But since its initial public offering, Tiger seems to be catching up quite rapidly.
"Tiger has been performing incredibly well in the first half of the year in terms of share price, forward bookings, growth and expansion plans," said Mr Shukor.
REF FROM FLIGHT INFORMATION 02 AUGUST 2010:
TR2102 BANGKOK CANCELLED
TR2326 HO CHI MINH CANCELLED
TR2908 MACAU CANCELLED
TR2272 JAKARTA RE-TIME
ARE THE ABOVE CANCELLATIONS/RE-TIME DUE PILOTS SHORTAGE?
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Mandala info
Hi John L,
To tell you the truth Mandala not yet offering us about the "amount".
This program what they called C to C program, which is Mandala's pilot not get same salary with tiger pilots.
Mandala surplus about pilots, and tiger surplus about aircraft.
Mandala will take "small amount" (that what they said), from our payment.
For us, this is our escape road, cause if we brake our training bond, we've to pay $88000 US. 5 years contract. will be end at Dec 2011.
Mandala can't pay us reasonable, the salary of Tiger is still better than us, and it's good experience for us (have experience to fly regional), we will take it.
So.....I hope that we can have some experience about flying regional, We don't want interfering with Tiger's pilots problems. And hope that Tiger's pilots can accept as with the warmth of Singapore way.....
Regards...
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To tell you the truth Mandala not yet offering us about the "amount".
This program what they called C to C program, which is Mandala's pilot not get same salary with tiger pilots.
Mandala surplus about pilots, and tiger surplus about aircraft.
Mandala will take "small amount" (that what they said), from our payment.
For us, this is our escape road, cause if we brake our training bond, we've to pay $88000 US. 5 years contract. will be end at Dec 2011.
Mandala can't pay us reasonable, the salary of Tiger is still better than us, and it's good experience for us (have experience to fly regional), we will take it.
So.....I hope that we can have some experience about flying regional, We don't want interfering with Tiger's pilots problems. And hope that Tiger's pilots can accept as with the warmth of Singapore way.....
Regards...
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Originally Posted by manflex69
Mandala can't pay us reasonable, the salary of Tiger is still better than us, and it's good experience for us (have experience to fly regional), we will take it.
So.....I hope that we can have some experience about flying regional, We don't want interfering with Tiger's pilots problems. And hope that Tiger's pilots can accept as with the warmth of Singapore way.....
So.....I hope that we can have some experience about flying regional, We don't want interfering with Tiger's pilots problems. And hope that Tiger's pilots can accept as with the warmth of Singapore way.....
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Flight cancellations
10/08
2182 KRABI
2462 KUALA LUMPUR
11/08
2326 HOCHIMINH
2632 CHENNAI
2104 BANGKOK
12/08
2464 KUALA LUMPUR
2462 KUALA LUMPUR
13 /08
2636 CHENNAI
14/08
2464 KUALA LUMPUR
2908 MACAU
2794 CLARK
Anybody can update this list from the very begining of captains exodus?
Nothing yet on the newspapers!!
2182 KRABI
2462 KUALA LUMPUR
11/08
2326 HOCHIMINH
2632 CHENNAI
2104 BANGKOK
12/08
2464 KUALA LUMPUR
2462 KUALA LUMPUR
13 /08
2636 CHENNAI
14/08
2464 KUALA LUMPUR
2908 MACAU
2794 CLARK
Anybody can update this list from the very begining of captains exodus?
Nothing yet on the newspapers!!
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begining of pilot exodus?
A friend in the HR department with Tiger said pilots have already exodus(ted)!
Heard all in all about 25 left/leaving the company and more will follow.However Tiger will get cheap inforcement pilots from Indonesia for a fraction of the salary the Tiger pilots are getting.
Cheap trick by the cheap CEO and cheap MD of Tiger.
Heard all in all about 25 left/leaving the company and more will follow.However Tiger will get cheap inforcement pilots from Indonesia for a fraction of the salary the Tiger pilots are getting.
Cheap trick by the cheap CEO and cheap MD of Tiger.
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Given Indonesia's shocking safety record (mostly due pilot error) one must think how much of a risk these tight-asses running the show at Tiger are taking..... I would hate to be a passenger with an Indonesian Captain and a 250 hour cadet. Sorry
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Condemning All Pilot
Originally Posted by MrSheffield
Given Indonesia's shocking safety record (mostly due pilot error)
Originally Posted by MrSheffield
one must think how much of a risk these tight-asses running the show at Tiger are taking.....
Originally Posted by MrSheffield
I would hate to be a passenger with an Indonesian Captain and a 250 hour cadet. Sorry
No. 2 There are many airlines in this world that employ 250 hours pilots. E.g. AirAsia, MAS, SIA, Cathay Pacific, Air India, NWA, Emirates, and etc. A 250 hours pilot must start at a point in airline career! Otherwise, how do that gain airline experience without a headstart? Also, I have never seen all 250 hours pilots are bad!
No. 3 By the way, Tiger has stop employing 250hours pilots at this time!
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Yes I am stereo-typing, but I am going by their accident history. How about that 737 Garuda crash? Very disgusting competencies displayed by the Captain and a gutless First Officer who did not assume command. I doubt a 250 hour cadet would have acted any different.