Air Nelson ALPA pilots to strike
Heard that Air Nelson pilots striking again on 8th and 9th May, each for half days. Why are they striking for only half days and not full days? Is ALPA corresponding with the company in any way or is it still going no where?
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Is there any end to this in sight? Its starting to wear a bit thin when you get vectored out to Bondi cause someone in a Dash wants to do an ILS via the full star at peak time when its CAVOK
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Noticed yesterday and today that Dashes are going for visuals and not the full STAR/Approach, has something changed or are these Fed/Management pilots trying to counter the rumoured extra 15 tonne/ day of fuel and the "falling like a brick" OTP figures?
Whats the ALPA v Fed ratio at NSN??
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Whats the ALPA v Fed ratio at NSN??
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If the Dash is stuffing up the sequene then you ATC guys and girls can put them into a hold for 10mins. I am sure they wont mind.
Control then said.... " right, enter the YW hold, now no. 6 in the sequence"
Apparantly did a couple of laps and the normally 40min flight was over an hour. Had managment on board as well and there was some filthy looks being directed at the flight deck.
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Had managment (sic) on board as well and there was some filthy looks being directed at the flight deck.
Keep up the fine work troops - those of us about to start our negotiations look on with interest & support.
Your manager seems to be providing you with a lot of incentive to keep on blowing out your costs - sounds like a perfect candidate for manager promotion within the Air NZ group.
See if his next move will be to threaten layoffs due to the spiralling costs.
Predictable, entirely predictable. Just remember, that sort of predictability usually works in our favour. Learn to read these turkeys like a book and you will ace this. Patience will win the day, although ultimately there are never any true winners - only minimised losses. But that's OK. It's good ol' AirNZ! They haven't changed in the 29 years I've been here
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Keep up the good work chaps, all the boys are behind you.
I love getting stuck following you guys!
Pretty soon every ALPA pilot in the group will be in negotiations and it's going to be a ****fight of the greatest magnitude, going to be awsome to watch
I love getting stuck following you guys!
Pretty soon every ALPA pilot in the group will be in negotiations and it's going to be a ****fight of the greatest magnitude, going to be awsome to watch
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Strike??
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"Air Nelson ALPA pilots to strike "??!! You can not be serious!!
Please forgive me if I have this all wrong, as I have not gone though all the posts. If any pilots are intending to down tools, I really think it will be like turkeys voting for Christmas and possibly in need of some sort of professional help.
If things carry on as they have of late, with regards to the price of oil, there are going to be mass redundancies in the industry. Unless NZ is a member of OPEC, things will be different.
If any persons are foolish enough to take industrial action, then a list of "volunteers" to settle for early retirement will be handed to the employers on a plate.
"Air Nelson ALPA pilots to strike "??!! You can not be serious!!
Please forgive me if I have this all wrong, as I have not gone though all the posts. If any pilots are intending to down tools, I really think it will be like turkeys voting for Christmas and possibly in need of some sort of professional help.
If things carry on as they have of late, with regards to the price of oil, there are going to be mass redundancies in the industry. Unless NZ is a member of OPEC, things will be different.
If any persons are foolish enough to take industrial action, then a list of "volunteers" to settle for early retirement will be handed to the employers on a plate.
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You cant be serious... Are you saying everyone shoud just lay down and take the royal shafting, maybe you should read all the posts. Do some homework, you will see that Air Nsn and indeed the other link ops are not getting paid anywhere near what you would anywhere else in the developed world.
Oil cost does have an effect yes but when you are talking about around 4 % incerase in pay on the 4+% inflation and the cost of living going up even more it almost means a pay drop... What peformance would you expect from your staff if you said that they were gtting a paycut and keep smiling and do the same job.
JH needs a firm boot in the a@$ from above for costing the company more than what the salary increase would have over the total term, in just the last few weeks of the guys and girls working to rule. Now that nakes perfect business sense doesn't it.
Any company that takes this long to sort out a bloody contract surely needs to have their management reviewed as this seems like gross incompetance. Normally if you walk into a review once a year (in the real business world) you TALK, in minimal time you are back to work and generaly happy, minimal losses and happy staff.
Surely the people at the top at Air NZ cant be happy with the bad publicity and otp and blatent throwing away of profit for the sake of 1% in pay difference.
Oil cost does have an effect yes but when you are talking about around 4 % incerase in pay on the 4+% inflation and the cost of living going up even more it almost means a pay drop... What peformance would you expect from your staff if you said that they were gtting a paycut and keep smiling and do the same job.
JH needs a firm boot in the a@$ from above for costing the company more than what the salary increase would have over the total term, in just the last few weeks of the guys and girls working to rule. Now that nakes perfect business sense doesn't it.
Any company that takes this long to sort out a bloody contract surely needs to have their management reviewed as this seems like gross incompetance. Normally if you walk into a review once a year (in the real business world) you TALK, in minimal time you are back to work and generaly happy, minimal losses and happy staff.
Surely the people at the top at Air NZ cant be happy with the bad publicity and otp and blatent throwing away of profit for the sake of 1% in pay difference.
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Always inverted, it sounds like you might be just the man to lead the upcoming negotiations for your pilot group..I should think that the talked about "sunglasses allowance" may be just what the doctor ordered..
if only our accountant was so generous
if only our accountant was so generous
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Yes, sadly management may do that but it is not all dire, as you suggest.
Some US airlines have gone under due to their business model being put to test by the increased overheads (oil)... others thrive.
Look into it abit closer, as unspecific loose language such as "1000's of redundancies" is unclarified and incorrect and serves no purpose but to alarm people... or was that your motive?
Tech crew simply move to where conditions are better or where their trained skills are better appreciated and paid for.
Many of the crew that have been "furloughed"/laid off/voluntary retirement have been absorbed elsewhere... ie Oasis, HKG Airlines (more to this story) and Silverjet are examples.
Some US airlines have gone under due to their business model being put to test by the increased overheads (oil)... others thrive.
Look into it abit closer, as unspecific loose language such as "1000's of redundancies" is unclarified and incorrect and serves no purpose but to alarm people... or was that your motive?
Tech crew simply move to where conditions are better or where their trained skills are better appreciated and paid for.
Many of the crew that have been "furloughed"/laid off/voluntary retirement have been absorbed elsewhere... ie Oasis, HKG Airlines (more to this story) and Silverjet are examples.
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Urgent Reality Check
The commercial aviation industry is entering a recession, airline management will use this to their advantage and threaten lay off's.
It's becoming nasty in Euroland and the States.....with 1000's of redundancies.
It's becoming nasty in Euroland and the States.....with 1000's of redundancies.
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Are you sick of slow Dash 8's?
Guys, if you are fed (no pun intended) up with being slowed down by the dash, my advice is complain like hell. JH needs all the encouragement he can get to settle this.
All I can say is, 90% of Air Nelsons pilots must be getting pretty sharp at approaches and SID's.
All I can say is, 90% of Air Nelsons pilots must be getting pretty sharp at approaches and SID's.
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Herd there is a withdrawal of labour shortly for 2 days... Anyone confirm ? Does anyone know whats happening with the crew that were stood down the other week as there does not seem to be any reason that they were, unless you count the bit about one of them being on the neg team. Is JH trying to slowly splip them all up so no one is there to neg the contract ???
JH is a clown, airnz should sack him for a massive waste of revenue in these work to rule weeks, how many weeks now ? 4? At about $27,000 per day.
Does anyone think that Mr Fyfe knows the true extent of the problen in NSN or does he have the glazed up version from knobhead. When will he and his troops come in and sort JH's mess out for the sake of the company ?
JH is a clown, airnz should sack him for a massive waste of revenue in these work to rule weeks, how many weeks now ? 4? At about $27,000 per day.
Does anyone think that Mr Fyfe knows the true extent of the problen in NSN or does he have the glazed up version from knobhead. When will he and his troops come in and sort JH's mess out for the sake of the company ?
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I've heard that Fyfe gets some info about negotiations through back channels but largely he is just fed (still no puns intended) bull st from JH. Its hard to believe they don't realise what is happening to morale through the whole company, not just pilots. There could be some PG cases going to court in the future. Very sad.
t from JH. Its hard to believe they don't realise what is happening to morale through the whole company, not just pilots. There could be some PG cases going to court in the future. Very sad.