Air Nelson ALPA pilots to strike
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Valid point alluminium hail, how far would it get if you lodged a pg on your gm for making your working day very stressfull and making you feel worthless ? Would that be classed as a legitimate pg claim? I would hope not for his sake...
Yes I for one am sick of being slowed up in excess of 80nm from akl AND vectored 40 degrees off track for sequencing of the arrivals and the only planes comming from the same direction as you are a dash and a 737 which was #1, total bulls@%t !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get the others in first and let the dash peoples take a bit longer, it would probably work in their favour anyway.
Yes I for one am sick of being slowed up in excess of 80nm from akl AND vectored 40 degrees off track for sequencing of the arrivals and the only planes comming from the same direction as you are a dash and a 737 which was #1, total bulls@%t !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get the others in first and let the dash peoples take a bit longer, it would probably work in their favour anyway.
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Yes I for one am sick of being slowed up in excess of 80nm from akl AND vectored 40 degrees off track for sequencing of the arrivals and the only planes comming from the same direction as you are a dash and a 737 which was #1, total bulls@%t !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That happens all the time, must be a jet driver and not used to it. We get slowed down all the time to let the jet past, then AKL Approach ask for best speed then ask us to slow down again. Not sure why everyone can't go flatout and just sort out by joining final as required to ensure separation, or vis sep on VIS APPR days.
Back to the topic.
I think they are having rolling stoppages till 9 or 10am and a full day off on the 18th, with all part days still having the full SID's and Arrivals.
Their boss is still believing his own hype. I wonder why no journalist ever actually asks him to elaborate on his claims?!? But I guess he wouldn't hesitate in feeding them the same BS that he is feeding Air NZ management.
Then there is the ole chestnut that Air NSN is a separate company and can make their own mind up. So long as JH doesn't break his mandate.
Seems like when Rob gets involved he can sort of be reasonable, look at the Air NZ engineers. Wonder why Rob is not involved??
Supposedly parking up two aircraft, so I guess that will be the one parked up on the WLG freight apron and in AKL by airwork most days due lack of crew.
Good luck to all the Air Nelson pilots. We will be starting our negotiations soon so will be interesting times for the air nz group, as the other pilot negotiations aren't progressing well either.
Yes I for one am sick of being slowed up in excess of 80nm from akl AND vectored 40 degrees off track for sequencing of the arrivals and the only planes comming from the same direction as you are a dash and a 737 which was #1, total bulls@%t !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That happens all the time, must be a jet driver and not used to it. We get slowed down all the time to let the jet past, then AKL Approach ask for best speed then ask us to slow down again. Not sure why everyone can't go flatout and just sort out by joining final as required to ensure separation, or vis sep on VIS APPR days.
Back to the topic.
I think they are having rolling stoppages till 9 or 10am and a full day off on the 18th, with all part days still having the full SID's and Arrivals.
Their boss is still believing his own hype. I wonder why no journalist ever actually asks him to elaborate on his claims?!? But I guess he wouldn't hesitate in feeding them the same BS that he is feeding Air NZ management.
Then there is the ole chestnut that Air NSN is a separate company and can make their own mind up. So long as JH doesn't break his mandate.
Seems like when Rob gets involved he can sort of be reasonable, look at the Air NZ engineers. Wonder why Rob is not involved??
Supposedly parking up two aircraft, so I guess that will be the one parked up on the WLG freight apron and in AKL by airwork most days due lack of crew.
Good luck to all the Air Nelson pilots. We will be starting our negotiations soon so will be interesting times for the air nz group, as the other pilot negotiations aren't progressing well either.
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I think JH is getting his understudy to do the negotiating for him so that if questions are asked then he has got a fall guy....
I think Fife has made it clear in his messages to staff on his position. CPI, and you will be lucky to get that!
He has now frozen his salary in an attempt to gather some support from the troops. However if his salary remained frozen, his increase last year would cover CPI increases for the next 21 years! Good to see we are all in this together.
I think Fife has made it clear in his messages to staff on his position. CPI, and you will be lucky to get that!
He has now frozen his salary in an attempt to gather some support from the troops. However if his salary remained frozen, his increase last year would cover CPI increases for the next 21 years! Good to see we are all in this together.
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thanks to rising costs
I think these management types have to get their heads out. CPI means nothing when you are on 400k or 1.6m for that matter. trying to raise 3 kids and still pay the mortgage is really a struggle for me now thanks to rising costs, CPI only tells part of the story, meanwhile the execs are still like pigs at the trough, pausing only long enough to say they wont take an offensively high pay rise this year..........my heart bleeds. Good luck Air NSN, I think your mainline cousins will be joining you soon
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Just a hypothetical question:
Of the two schools of thought..that its difficult times at the moment and we should be glad of our jobs and not cause industrial unrest which might damage the firm..
..and that aviation is a business based on the assumption of cheap labour who are willing to self fund most of their training and then are willing to take comparatively low wages for the pleasure of working in the industry
Or..is now the time when aviation needs to take a good long look at itself and if it can't afford to make decent cost of living increases and provide its staff with a reasonable standard of lifestyle while employed by the company, then it bloodywell shouldn't be in business and the staff are entitled to take any action required.
Honestly Hamblehead..just give them the weekends off etc and let everyone go back to work!!
Of the two schools of thought..that its difficult times at the moment and we should be glad of our jobs and not cause industrial unrest which might damage the firm..
..and that aviation is a business based on the assumption of cheap labour who are willing to self fund most of their training and then are willing to take comparatively low wages for the pleasure of working in the industry
Or..is now the time when aviation needs to take a good long look at itself and if it can't afford to make decent cost of living increases and provide its staff with a reasonable standard of lifestyle while employed by the company, then it bloodywell shouldn't be in business and the staff are entitled to take any action required.
Honestly Hamblehead..just give them the weekends off etc and let everyone go back to work!!
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After 12 years in the industry if it's one thing I have learned, it is never a good time to ask for a payrise, ever!
The inside word is that the company is not going to give an inch.
The inside word is that the company is not going to give an inch.
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How many people use their sick leave ?? They guys at nsn could just sign off on the current agreement and use the odd sick day, hell we get enough of them. The sick days are given in the quantities that they are so that we take a sick day when we start feeling unwell. There is more than way to skin a cat...
If a little sickie note is only required after a couple days then it should be no problem.
What I'm trying to slowly get at is... how many of you all have felt a bit sheyt and still gone to work and thought it'll be okay and I dont want to let the team down...and how many of these happen to coincide with the start of or the end of a weekend. If people took them when they were feeling a bit sinusy the co would crap themselves.
Surely it is the "good will" of the crews that make us not take our quota of sick days each year.
Did you hear that JH... good will...
If a little sickie note is only required after a couple days then it should be no problem.
What I'm trying to slowly get at is... how many of you all have felt a bit sheyt and still gone to work and thought it'll be okay and I dont want to let the team down...and how many of these happen to coincide with the start of or the end of a weekend. If people took them when they were feeling a bit sinusy the co would crap themselves.
Surely it is the "good will" of the crews that make us not take our quota of sick days each year.
Did you hear that JH... good will...
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Quote from Air NSN newsletter:
"Sick leave is at unprecedented levels."
And that is amongst all staff.
As I said before a lot of people have lost desire to go the extra mile, and those that still do just get pushed harder.
Three full day strikes on 18, 19 ,20 July and facilitation dates have been set. Here's hopeing this will do it, we all just want it done.
And that is amongst all staff.
As I said before a lot of people have lost desire to go the extra mile, and those that still do just get pushed harder.
Three full day strikes on 18, 19 ,20 July and facilitation dates have been set. Here's hopeing this will do it, we all just want it done.
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Go hard boys and girls.
Those at "the hub" aka Satan's lair, are pumping out the media misinformation to discredit you and question your integrity.
I wonder who has more integrity. A group of men and women asking for a fair and reasonable award, OR a CEO who takes a 60%+ payrise and freezes executive pay 4 months later saying "follow me troops!"!!??
All the best for some plesant weather and good time spent with the family.
Those at "the hub" aka Satan's lair, are pumping out the media misinformation to discredit you and question your integrity.
I wonder who has more integrity. A group of men and women asking for a fair and reasonable award, OR a CEO who takes a 60%+ payrise and freezes executive pay 4 months later saying "follow me troops!"!!??
All the best for some plesant weather and good time spent with the family.
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I guess it's one way to get a 64 hour weekend! 
One weekend a month that you can be there when your kiddies come home from school and spend the weekend with them is not a tall order. If the company cant afford to give it to them then the place is a basket case anyway.
One weekend a month that you can be there when your kiddies come home from school and spend the weekend with them is not a tall order. If the company cant afford to give it to them then the place is a basket case anyway.
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TV reported about 30 non alpa, does anyone know whats in the feds contract ? do they ?
I herd the other day that the mainline piots are asking for cpi +2% , can anyone confirm, surely if it's good for one...isn't that what everyone should be asking for, or do we just continue to go backwards relaitve to inflation which is tiped to be at 4.8% shortly according to the newspaper in wellington the otherday.
On a side note
What %age of total profit would come from the longhaul ops ?
I herd the other day that the mainline piots are asking for cpi +2% , can anyone confirm, surely if it's good for one...isn't that what everyone should be asking for, or do we just continue to go backwards relaitve to inflation which is tiped to be at 4.8% shortly according to the newspaper in wellington the otherday.
On a side note
What %age of total profit would come from the longhaul ops ?
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Always inverted, if you are an ALPA member with an up to date email address they just sent out an industrial update. That will answer your questions.
Be sure to tell everyone you know the facts as the reporting so far has been crap to say the least.
Would love for just one journo to ask MR H to provide some evidence to the company claims.
That 30 pilots sounds about how many they need to get the two aircraft parked up back in the air and operate a standby system which is not fully reliant on pilots working their days off.
All the best to the guys and girls of NZALPA at Air Nelson.
Be sure to tell everyone you know the facts as the reporting so far has been crap to say the least.
Would love for just one journo to ask MR H to provide some evidence to the company claims.
That 30 pilots sounds about how many they need to get the two aircraft parked up back in the air and operate a standby system which is not fully reliant on pilots working their days off.
All the best to the guys and girls of NZALPA at Air Nelson.
wages gone up some in NZ?
Pilots start strike over work demands
8:49AM Friday July 18, 2008
By Jarrod Booker
Air Nelson says its services have continued with minimal disruption this morning despite the start of a three-day strike predicted to affect about 10,000 travellers throughout the country.
The airline says the demands by the pilots from its Air Nelson subsidiary, including more time off, will cost it $8 million a year and will force up the cost of airfares on provincial routes.
But the pilots' union insists the demands are affordable and says Air NZ has forced them into strike action by treating them "with complete disdain" over the past year.
"To suggest that a longer weekend for pilots will spell the end of affordable provincial air travel is just not credible," said New Zealand Air Line Pilots Association (NZALPA) executive director, Rick Mirkin.
The strike, which began at midnight last night and continues until Sunday, leaves only about 20 of 180 pilots still working on Air Nelson's provincial routes.
Air Nelson general manager John Hambleton said today contingency plans had ensured customers were being looked after and there had been only one delay, due to weather.
"There has been a huge amount of organisation of schedules, the re-accommodation and contact of passengers has been a massive exercise and those involved have done an excellent job," Mr Hambleton told NZPA.
Non-union pilots were being utilised for the three day strike and there were still some seats available for customers wanting last minute flights into or out of Nelson.
"They can have every expectation those flights will operate," Mr Hambleton said.
He said the company regretted any impacts on customers caused by the strike but it was "making the best out of a difficult situation".
Air NZ spokesman Bruce Parton said it was a cynical move to strike in one of the busiest travel periods of the year.
It appeared the union did not fully appreciate the "profound impact of sky-rocketing costs of fuel" on airlines.
Mr Parton said an Air Nelson captain already earned on average more than $97,000, and over the past three years, the average salary had increased 32 per cent.
He claimed that on average the pilots worked 31 "duty hours" a week, and the NZALPA demands for more time off would reduce these hours to just 25 a week.
8:49AM Friday July 18, 2008
By Jarrod Booker
Air Nelson says its services have continued with minimal disruption this morning despite the start of a three-day strike predicted to affect about 10,000 travellers throughout the country.
The airline says the demands by the pilots from its Air Nelson subsidiary, including more time off, will cost it $8 million a year and will force up the cost of airfares on provincial routes.
But the pilots' union insists the demands are affordable and says Air NZ has forced them into strike action by treating them "with complete disdain" over the past year.
"To suggest that a longer weekend for pilots will spell the end of affordable provincial air travel is just not credible," said New Zealand Air Line Pilots Association (NZALPA) executive director, Rick Mirkin.
The strike, which began at midnight last night and continues until Sunday, leaves only about 20 of 180 pilots still working on Air Nelson's provincial routes.
Air Nelson general manager John Hambleton said today contingency plans had ensured customers were being looked after and there had been only one delay, due to weather.
"There has been a huge amount of organisation of schedules, the re-accommodation and contact of passengers has been a massive exercise and those involved have done an excellent job," Mr Hambleton told NZPA.
Non-union pilots were being utilised for the three day strike and there were still some seats available for customers wanting last minute flights into or out of Nelson.
"They can have every expectation those flights will operate," Mr Hambleton said.
He said the company regretted any impacts on customers caused by the strike but it was "making the best out of a difficult situation".
Air NZ spokesman Bruce Parton said it was a cynical move to strike in one of the busiest travel periods of the year.
It appeared the union did not fully appreciate the "profound impact of sky-rocketing costs of fuel" on airlines.
Mr Parton said an Air Nelson captain already earned on average more than $97,000, and over the past three years, the average salary had increased 32 per cent.
He claimed that on average the pilots worked 31 "duty hours" a week, and the NZALPA demands for more time off would reduce these hours to just 25 a week.
Are you guys on "more than NZD97,000"?
Do you guys do (on average), 31 hours a week?
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As a pilot of Air Nelson I have to finally make my first post on PPRUNE to voice my absolute disgust and disdain for the Air Nelson and Air NZ management.
Couple of little facts here…
One of the reasons the pilots are wanting a pay rise is when the engineers settled their contract, signed the paperwork and shook hands, John Hambleton laughed, yes that’s right laughed at them and said you should have held out for more… because we had more to give you.
I do not earn 97K a year, in fact I earn around 30K LESS than that.
I do not average 30 duty hours a week, in fact I work considerably more than that.
I did not get a 69% pay rise prior to my salary being frozen.
I did not receive my payment for holiday pay even though the High Court told Air NZ to give it to me.
Mr Parton, I DO realise that the inflated fuel prices have a huge affect on the company… perhaps the company would also like to realise that fuel prices affect EVERYBODY, not just companies. Bottom line, if the cost of fuel, food and clothing climb and the price of living goes through the roof, what in the name of great Greek buggary would you EXPECT your staff to demand when the contract comes up for renegotiation? The fact that our claims (of which now fall below current CPI predictions) absolutely shock and infuriate management both at Air Nelson and Air NZ to me clearly shows a severe lack of intelligence amongst the upper brass.
I did not complete a degree, 2 diplomas, a pilots licence and years of experience to be treated like a dumb idiot who’s life is so pitiful and worthless I don’t even deserve a fair and just pay rise and one weekend a month where I can pick my kids up from sport on a Friday and drop them off to school on Monday.
Pilots are having there roster requests reversed, we are being allocated duties that don’t exist and start/finish prior to 9:15am to (in my opinion) illegally lock us out. Certain people within management are dedicating their time to ensuring that pilots families struggle to make ends meat. It is the lowest form of human behaviour I have ever witnessed. Shame on you. Shame on you.
Here’s another fact. When we get what we want, and yes John… we will, There will still be no loyalty. I’m not talking about loyalty to Air Nelson or Air NZ, I am talking about loyalty to one man, John Hambleton. I don’t know of any pilot within ALPA (and even some Feds) who will trust that man again or show him any good will. Yes, these negotiations will end (one day!) and we will all enjoy going back to work in a more pleasant environment doing what we do best and that’s flying aircraft around the skies safely and efficiently… but I can’t help but feel like it won’t be the same. I guess it’s a bit like finding out a convicted paedophile has just moved into your street. You know he’s done the time and been released into the public again… but you just don’t trust the guy.
Couple of little facts here…
One of the reasons the pilots are wanting a pay rise is when the engineers settled their contract, signed the paperwork and shook hands, John Hambleton laughed, yes that’s right laughed at them and said you should have held out for more… because we had more to give you.
I do not earn 97K a year, in fact I earn around 30K LESS than that.
I do not average 30 duty hours a week, in fact I work considerably more than that.
I did not get a 69% pay rise prior to my salary being frozen.
I did not receive my payment for holiday pay even though the High Court told Air NZ to give it to me.
Mr Parton, I DO realise that the inflated fuel prices have a huge affect on the company… perhaps the company would also like to realise that fuel prices affect EVERYBODY, not just companies. Bottom line, if the cost of fuel, food and clothing climb and the price of living goes through the roof, what in the name of great Greek buggary would you EXPECT your staff to demand when the contract comes up for renegotiation? The fact that our claims (of which now fall below current CPI predictions) absolutely shock and infuriate management both at Air Nelson and Air NZ to me clearly shows a severe lack of intelligence amongst the upper brass.
I did not complete a degree, 2 diplomas, a pilots licence and years of experience to be treated like a dumb idiot who’s life is so pitiful and worthless I don’t even deserve a fair and just pay rise and one weekend a month where I can pick my kids up from sport on a Friday and drop them off to school on Monday.
Pilots are having there roster requests reversed, we are being allocated duties that don’t exist and start/finish prior to 9:15am to (in my opinion) illegally lock us out. Certain people within management are dedicating their time to ensuring that pilots families struggle to make ends meat. It is the lowest form of human behaviour I have ever witnessed. Shame on you. Shame on you.
Here’s another fact. When we get what we want, and yes John… we will, There will still be no loyalty. I’m not talking about loyalty to Air Nelson or Air NZ, I am talking about loyalty to one man, John Hambleton. I don’t know of any pilot within ALPA (and even some Feds) who will trust that man again or show him any good will. Yes, these negotiations will end (one day!) and we will all enjoy going back to work in a more pleasant environment doing what we do best and that’s flying aircraft around the skies safely and efficiently… but I can’t help but feel like it won’t be the same. I guess it’s a bit like finding out a convicted paedophile has just moved into your street. You know he’s done the time and been released into the public again… but you just don’t trust the guy.