Air Nelson ALPA pilots to strike
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Air Nelson ALPA pilots to strike
After the company got "confused" about the proposed work to rule industrial action that was planned, the ALPA pilot group upgraded the action to full labour withdrawal for half a day so as to not confuse the company about their intentions.
Strike day is March 25th.
Work to rule action still proposed for multiple days after March 25th
Looks like JH still got the magic
S2K
Strike day is March 25th.
Work to rule action still proposed for multiple days after March 25th
Looks like JH still got the magic
S2K
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Aluminium Tubing:
PARK IT:???
Below in the NEws Today:
Tuesday March 18, 08:40 PM
Air Nelson has plans to counter pilots' industrial action
Air Nelson says it has contingency plans in place to minimise planned industrial action by pilots next week.
Members of the New Zealand Air Line Pilots' Associations (NZALPA) have served notice to Air Nelson of a half-day withdrawal of labour on Tuesday, March 25, and has also served work to rule notices for March 27 to April 7 inclusive. "Air Nelson is working hard to ensure its services will remain unaffected over this period and at this stage is confident that the impact on passengers will be minimal," the company's general manager, John Hambleton, said tonight.
The industrial action had been well signalled by NZALPA and the airline had been working through contingency plans to ensure continuity of service to passengers.
"We are disappointed that NZALPA timed the initial action to impact on services at the end of the Easter break when a large number of passengers are travelling home," Mr Hambleton said.
He said the company believed the nature of pilots' current claims amounted in total to an increase in pilot labour costs of close to 30 percent.
"The pilots' roster claims intended to enhance time off would reduce their average duty hours (excluding training staff) to below the current 31 hours per week.
"That would require the company to employ in excess of 36 additional pilots, costing the company millions. We do not believe our passengers are willing to pay millions of dollars more for their airfares," Mr Hambleton said.
A spokesman for the pilots' association could not be contacted for comment.
A couple of thoughts come to mind:
IS this accurate reporting?
I Q the validity of below 31 hrs per week duty time???
Watching with interest:
Q Why only a half day withdrawal of labour? I think thats a bit weak?
Chr's
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Below in the NEws Today:
Tuesday March 18, 08:40 PM
Air Nelson has plans to counter pilots' industrial action
Air Nelson says it has contingency plans in place to minimise planned industrial action by pilots next week.
Members of the New Zealand Air Line Pilots' Associations (NZALPA) have served notice to Air Nelson of a half-day withdrawal of labour on Tuesday, March 25, and has also served work to rule notices for March 27 to April 7 inclusive. "Air Nelson is working hard to ensure its services will remain unaffected over this period and at this stage is confident that the impact on passengers will be minimal," the company's general manager, John Hambleton, said tonight.
The industrial action had been well signalled by NZALPA and the airline had been working through contingency plans to ensure continuity of service to passengers.
"We are disappointed that NZALPA timed the initial action to impact on services at the end of the Easter break when a large number of passengers are travelling home," Mr Hambleton said.
He said the company believed the nature of pilots' current claims amounted in total to an increase in pilot labour costs of close to 30 percent.
"The pilots' roster claims intended to enhance time off would reduce their average duty hours (excluding training staff) to below the current 31 hours per week.
"That would require the company to employ in excess of 36 additional pilots, costing the company millions. We do not believe our passengers are willing to pay millions of dollars more for their airfares," Mr Hambleton said.
A spokesman for the pilots' association could not be contacted for comment.
A couple of thoughts come to mind:
IS this accurate reporting?
I Q the validity of below 31 hrs per week duty time???
Watching with interest:
Q Why only a half day withdrawal of labour? I think thats a bit weak?
Chr's
H/Snort
Quote:
"Air Nelson is working hard to ensure its services will remain unaffected over this period and at this stage is confident that the impact on passengers will be minimal," the company's general manager, John Hambleton, said tonight."
How the hell can services remain unaffected (my bolding) if there are no pilots flying the aeroplanes? Whilst I am unfamiliar with the dynamics of this particular dispute, is it any wonder that people are having trouble with their management when they have the gall to print nonsence such as this!
"Air Nelson is working hard to ensure its services will remain unaffected over this period and at this stage is confident that the impact on passengers will be minimal," the company's general manager, John Hambleton, said tonight."
How the hell can services remain unaffected (my bolding) if there are no pilots flying the aeroplanes? Whilst I am unfamiliar with the dynamics of this particular dispute, is it any wonder that people are having trouble with their management when they have the gall to print nonsence such as this!
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Good luck to all members involved. If you stick together you will get a better deal.. Your work to rule will be more affective as the company does not get time to plan for the disruption. Looking at AIRNSN cancelled flights over the past weeks, he is running you guys well down on crew anyways, so working to rule will be even more crippling.
All the best, and as was shown by past Mt Cook/Air NZ management they don't care how much money they waste so long as they don't give in straight away. Crazy, and have heard over a dozen pilots recently handing in their notice with possibly up to another dozen to follow, management must have their heads well and firmly planted in the sand.
I wonder how long JH will last before being shifted after this mis-management cock-up.
All the best, and as was shown by past Mt Cook/Air NZ management they don't care how much money they waste so long as they don't give in straight away. Crazy, and have heard over a dozen pilots recently handing in their notice with possibly up to another dozen to follow, management must have their heads well and firmly planted in the sand.
I wonder how long JH will last before being shifted after this mis-management cock-up.
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Park em up indeed !
The air nelson ( AKA Air New Zealand ) managing director seems to be an industrial dinosaur. If the average air nelson pilot works 31 hours a week and is home evry night ..where do I sign up ?
Seems like a spin to me..I say go for it boys..park em up and let the company feel how it is to operate an airline without pilots !
Its gonna be like an icecream shop with cones only and no icecream to fill them !
The air nelson ( AKA Air New Zealand ) managing director seems to be an industrial dinosaur. If the average air nelson pilot works 31 hours a week and is home evry night ..where do I sign up ?
Seems like a spin to me..I say go for it boys..park em up and let the company feel how it is to operate an airline without pilots !
Its gonna be like an icecream shop with cones only and no icecream to fill them !
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Air Nelson Pilots....do not cave in on this one....for your futures,your well being,and your principles....do not cave....easy to say,hard to do.....the reality of your situation is a problem we all face....
...the maggots in mgt will always try to beat you down......thats there job,and money is their bottom line...take it away and they have to listen.....be creative...fuel is expensive,writeups cost time,money,and delays.....disgruntled paxs are your friends.....
you cannot be a commercial pilot in this day and age and not have to go through this sagarso......you either make it happen or you become their (mgt)"bitch"....your choice....
Hamlbeton is a goon..the cost of doing buiness is to pay,not screw your pilots...his comment about making paxs pay millions $$$$ more for tickets is obtuse....we have been down this road before......the policy of ..."lets make mega-bucks at the cost of our employees " has to go....the pilots have a legitamite claim...mgt knows it.....and the typical kiwi corporate response is to clam -up and deny wrongdoing....make up some hypothetical claim we(the pilots) are farking the public.....and carry on....I SAY B.S.!!!!!! they know it,we know it/...time to pay.....sort of sillly really...who wins??? no one!
this business is so farrrrked up these days its a wonder it attracts anyone
...PB
...the maggots in mgt will always try to beat you down......thats there job,and money is their bottom line...take it away and they have to listen.....be creative...fuel is expensive,writeups cost time,money,and delays.....disgruntled paxs are your friends.....
you cannot be a commercial pilot in this day and age and not have to go through this sagarso......you either make it happen or you become their (mgt)"bitch"....your choice....
Hamlbeton is a goon..the cost of doing buiness is to pay,not screw your pilots...his comment about making paxs pay millions $$$$ more for tickets is obtuse....we have been down this road before......the policy of ..."lets make mega-bucks at the cost of our employees " has to go....the pilots have a legitamite claim...mgt knows it.....and the typical kiwi corporate response is to clam -up and deny wrongdoing....make up some hypothetical claim we(the pilots) are farking the public.....and carry on....I SAY B.S.!!!!!! they know it,we know it/...time to pay.....sort of sillly really...who wins??? no one!
this business is so farrrrked up these days its a wonder it attracts anyone
...PB
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myturn it up
Myturn, I do believe you have the wrong info regarding Pakeha-boy.
Pakeha-boy, Captains 320’s with plenty of other experience also, and plenty of informative and interesting posts
Your quote “dic%he%ds like you that costs everyone their jobs in the long run” is an interesting opinion!?
Your final quote “Air NSN - best of luck but keep it real” is also interesting. I speculate as to what, ’keep it real’ means?
I believe, from the three, Eagle, Air NSN and Mt Cook, Mt Cook have the highest remuneration, followed by Air NSN and lastly, Eagle. Being Air NSN are trying to improve conditions, I would assume the people on the lower rung, Eagle, would be apt to fancy an increase in their remuneration also.
And I have heard of possible collaborations between colleagues with the aim of improvement. I think they are waiting for the results or effects, of Air NSN.
So, yes entirely agree with 6080, will be interesting to see how Eagle concludes.
FS1200
Pakeha-boy, Captains 320’s with plenty of other experience also, and plenty of informative and interesting posts
Your quote “dic%he%ds like you that costs everyone their jobs in the long run” is an interesting opinion!?
Your final quote “Air NSN - best of luck but keep it real” is also interesting. I speculate as to what, ’keep it real’ means?
I believe, from the three, Eagle, Air NSN and Mt Cook, Mt Cook have the highest remuneration, followed by Air NSN and lastly, Eagle. Being Air NSN are trying to improve conditions, I would assume the people on the lower rung, Eagle, would be apt to fancy an increase in their remuneration also.
And I have heard of possible collaborations between colleagues with the aim of improvement. I think they are waiting for the results or effects, of Air NSN.
So, yes entirely agree with 6080, will be interesting to see how Eagle concludes.
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The reality is that certain things cost lots of money in this business. New airframes around 30 mill or so Ive heard..maintainence cost are high..airways fees and airport charges are high for very little..so on. Now, as everyone can plainly see..Pilots are a valuable commodity and can move around to suit themselves. Management may think Pilots are all just a bunch of overrated, lazy blowhards (and in many cases they are correct) but they are a rising cost of doing business. Just shut up..pay up and pass on the costs. Simple
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I don't know why some managers are stuck in this 1980s style of industrial relations. Don't they know that the only way forward for a company is if you take your workers with you? If your employees are against you, then you are not an effective manager, and will never achieve the results you could with "the troops" on-side.
Just because Air Nelson is in effect a monopoly, doesn't mean management can do whatever they want without consequence. To me the problem with managers within the Air NZ group is that they don't stick with a role long enough. They are in it for the short term, a big bonus for looking good, then onwards and upwards to the next biggest role. Then the next poor sap has to deal with the fallout.
Wonder how long before RF or one of the other big-wigs has a word with Mr H and tells him to pull his head in?
To the pilots, stick with it guys. Your unity is your strength, and if your demands are not unreasonable, then "right" is on your side.
Good luck.
Just because Air Nelson is in effect a monopoly, doesn't mean management can do whatever they want without consequence. To me the problem with managers within the Air NZ group is that they don't stick with a role long enough. They are in it for the short term, a big bonus for looking good, then onwards and upwards to the next biggest role. Then the next poor sap has to deal with the fallout.
Wonder how long before RF or one of the other big-wigs has a word with Mr H and tells him to pull his head in?
To the pilots, stick with it guys. Your unity is your strength, and if your demands are not unreasonable, then "right" is on your side.
Good luck.
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myturn, you are simply talking out of your arse with regards to PB. Needless to say....your comments are ridiculously innaccurate..but I digress.
Guys and girls of Air NSN, this is your one chance to show unity to those who would have you suffer uncompetitive and derisory terms and conditions.
A word of advice from one who has been through this with 2 airlines..STICK TO YOUR PRINCIPLES.
Present a united front, have clear objectives..and above all else realize that mgmt need you MORE than you need them
Guys and girls of Air NSN, this is your one chance to show unity to those who would have you suffer uncompetitive and derisory terms and conditions.
A word of advice from one who has been through this with 2 airlines..STICK TO YOUR PRINCIPLES.
Present a united front, have clear objectives..and above all else realize that mgmt need you MORE than you need them
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Pilot shortage in this country if not everywhere......why screw the boys (and the girls) and have them all leave for the sandpit etc. Pull your heads in managers.
All the best Air NS crews
All the best Air NS crews
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Lots of support here for the flight crews taking this bold action. I only hope it doesn't backfire somehow, management in these ugly cases have looooooong memories! (WW3 pilots dispute comes to mind here in OZ) Still it takes 'risk' to fly in the first place as it taking risk now to continue to fly without even leaving the ground! I salute you brave guys & gals
Hypothetical here:
All airlines (any listed business obviously)are there to make money for their shareholders right? What if an airline was based purely on returning it's profits back to the real owners of the airline, it's workforce? I bet a penny to a pound that you would have flight crew & all the others that make up an airline crawling over broken glass to get a job there if money was funneld back into the business with say shares only going to the employees. No managers to force you to work more for less hrs just there to manage the day to running of the core business & getting paid a fair amount, their sole reason, to move pax at a fair price & SHARE the profits within
Now all we need is a Co. name & several million bucks, the name will be the hard one to achieve!
I did say Hypothetical but is it?
F
Hypothetical here:
All airlines (any listed business obviously)are there to make money for their shareholders right? What if an airline was based purely on returning it's profits back to the real owners of the airline, it's workforce? I bet a penny to a pound that you would have flight crew & all the others that make up an airline crawling over broken glass to get a job there if money was funneld back into the business with say shares only going to the employees. No managers to force you to work more for less hrs just there to manage the day to running of the core business & getting paid a fair amount, their sole reason, to move pax at a fair price & SHARE the profits within
Now all we need is a Co. name & several million bucks, the name will be the hard one to achieve!
I did say Hypothetical but is it?
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hmmm not a bad idea 'Flyitboy' only you ought to read yr own posts concerning LAME's! ......."in a perfect world" you want what?,,,,,,tell 'em he's dreamin' !
Good luck to the strong ones at Air NSN Yr bro's are proud of you lot
CW
Good luck to the strong ones at Air NSN
Yr bro's are proud of you lotCW
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Excelent move team. Don't budge, you're worth more than JH realises. Don't get distracted by management weasel words in the media and their plants on this forum.
You are too valuable to Air NZ for this to go on too long. Look at the cock up management made with the Mt Cook dispute. I don't think they'll have the stomach to go through that again. Just remember, the pilots stuck together there and won. You will too.
You are too valuable to Air NZ for this to go on too long. Look at the cock up management made with the Mt Cook dispute. I don't think they'll have the stomach to go through that again. Just remember, the pilots stuck together there and won. You will too.