Air Nelson ALPA pilots to strike
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Does anyone remember JH's launch into the industry? I do. He was engaged on contract as a consultant way back in Eagle early days. He had no Aviation background at all. I remember one night over a beer he was back in about 1988/89 how he was justifying the rather large contract fee he was on while the Pilots were trying to negotiate with the Company. He said he needed the money more the pilots because his lifestyle was more expensive, such as living in Auckland at the time and commuting cost etc. His background was supplier of worksite containerised offices at building sites and he went bust! He eventually became Marketing manager for Eagle and clambered his way up the ladder after that.
How many have heard the story of his daughter being caught in a strip club in Nelson in 1995 ( a good show by the way!!). She explained to 4 of us that were there that her dad left her stranded with no money after he heard about her new career and she was just doing a few extra nights to get cash to go home since he wouldn't put her on staff travel anymore. That's the way to bring up your kids, help expose them for what they are!!
Good luck guys, I was with you in 95.
How many have heard the story of his daughter being caught in a strip club in Nelson in 1995 ( a good show by the way!!). She explained to 4 of us that were there that her dad left her stranded with no money after he heard about her new career and she was just doing a few extra nights to get cash to go home since he wouldn't put her on staff travel anymore. That's the way to bring up your kids, help expose them for what they are!!
Good luck guys, I was with you in 95.
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Nelson 1995
Hah!!! I had forgotten - I was bloody well based there in 95 and recall the 'exposure' she got! 
That strippie-joint still there by the way?? Great times 1990's Nelson!
That strippie-joint still there by the way?? Great times 1990's Nelson!
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CTOT wrote: "When is ALPA going to respond to the bullSt on the TV and radio news? I saw the ALPA rep on TV3 on Wed but not even a whisper from them all weekend. All the while I have been trying to find my 100k? Still no luck...."
Bloody good question, and I suggest you get straight on to your Union rep and ask them!
Companies always seem to get the media on side (remember Paul Holmes telling everyone that Ansett NZ pilots worked 20 hours a week during their lockout?)
Ask questions and call your representatives to account. Remember, YOU are the Union. For God's sake, don't sit by and watch it happen if you think you are getting bad representation, or if you think things could be done better. Make a noise and demand better.....don't ask me how I know.
Bloody good question, and I suggest you get straight on to your Union rep and ask them!
Companies always seem to get the media on side (remember Paul Holmes telling everyone that Ansett NZ pilots worked 20 hours a week during their lockout?)
Ask questions and call your representatives to account. Remember, YOU are the Union. For God's sake, don't sit by and watch it happen if you think you are getting bad representation, or if you think things could be done better. Make a noise and demand better.....don't ask me how I know.
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Marant and 1279shp, was also with you that evening, seem to remember it was the end of someone's stag evening (who is now a skipper with an Asian airline). Biggest mistake she made was telling one of our group not to tell anyone she was JH's daughter...........The boys dined out on that one for weeks!!!
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ONE NEWS fox par
Sorry if it's already been mentioned, but I haven't been following this thread and thought the following couldn't go without mention.
While surfing the net for news from home (in the UK at the mo) saw an item on ONE NEWS. Reports at the airport getting quotes from passengers complaining that they couldn't get too their appointments or get togethers on time with out travelling a day early or such like.
Then the last interview was a classic - the punter quoted the age old adage "if you have time to spare tavel by air" not grumbling at all. What else would you expect from an ex ATCO (and ALPA member) - I wonder if the TV crew had any idea
Good one GD
While surfing the net for news from home (in the UK at the mo) saw an item on ONE NEWS. Reports at the airport getting quotes from passengers complaining that they couldn't get too their appointments or get togethers on time with out travelling a day early or such like.
Then the last interview was a classic - the punter quoted the age old adage "if you have time to spare tavel by air" not grumbling at all. What else would you expect from an ex ATCO (and ALPA member) - I wonder if the TV crew had any idea
Good one GD
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cancel on Auckland to New PLymouth Tue.,.
Few discontented travelers on Tuesday night at AA Domestic. Booked to take the Auckland New Plymouth flight, but airline said the plane had,. ‘mechanical problems, few tried to rebook to fly Auckland to Wellington then back up to New Plymouth, but most chose ( at their own expense ) to stay the night in hotel and fly on Wednesdaydirect to NP
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And did the plane not have mechanical problems?? This is happening more and more isn't it? Airlines cancel flights on the basis there's mechanical problems, when in actual fact they're not flying because there's not enough passengers???
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Wouldn't think that they would pull a flight because there is not enough people, maybe crew... Especialy if they have to hotel the pax or find alternative means of transport when it's a "mechanical Issue" weather related is up to the pax, but the company generaly rebook them.
Matty J, the fed pilots dont contribute to the negs at any time because they are on their own contract, which aparently mirrors the alpa one, but wait, havent the feds already signed off on their contract, what did they sign off on???? There will probably be the odd one that is on an individual contract who is still working while the others are "standing up for what they believe in"
Matty J, the fed pilots dont contribute to the negs at any time because they are on their own contract, which aparently mirrors the alpa one, but wait, havent the feds already signed off on their contract, what did they sign off on???? There will probably be the odd one that is on an individual contract who is still working while the others are "standing up for what they believe in"
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Good on you guys for standing up for what I would consider only fair and resonable...well sort of
A f/o or cpt TC's at Air nsn would be fair to say have sliped along way in the past 5 years but just wanted to let you all know that your boss said this.
JH "It will cost the company more to comply with the crew contract request than their strike action will and I have the full support of ANZ on this issue"
A f/o or cpt TC's at Air nsn would be fair to say have sliped along way in the past 5 years but just wanted to let you all know that your boss said this.
JH "It will cost the company more to comply with the crew contract request than their strike action will and I have the full support of ANZ on this issue"
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Bubbles Bath House!!
Marant and 1279shp, was also with you that evening, seem to remember it was the end of someone's stag evening (who is now a skipper with an Asian airline).
Lost touch with "stag-boy". Asian Capt eh - wonder what their "Bubbles" are like??!!
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Hi guys. As a Fed member I note some (and only some) people have made anti-Fed comments.
The great thing about where we live is our freedom of choice. This includes our right to different industrial representation. Whilst in an ideal world we would be represented by a singular group the reality is people have different views.
I am not an Air Nelson pilot but would ask some people (and it is only some) to please note that whilst we may be Fed that doesn't mean we don't have sympathy for the ALPA Air Nelson cause........we may have chosen a different industrial route, and that therefore requires us to be legally obligated towards our employment duties, but doesn't change our sympathy for their cause.
Cheers.
The great thing about where we live is our freedom of choice. This includes our right to different industrial representation. Whilst in an ideal world we would be represented by a singular group the reality is people have different views.
I am not an Air Nelson pilot but would ask some people (and it is only some) to please note that whilst we may be Fed that doesn't mean we don't have sympathy for the ALPA Air Nelson cause........we may have chosen a different industrial route, and that therefore requires us to be legally obligated towards our employment duties, but doesn't change our sympathy for their cause.
Cheers.
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That is the beauty of living and a place like NZ, but I do wonder why you made that choice. ALPA may not be perfect but it's a damn sight better than any alternative.
There is a flaw in your argument here
The Federation was set up by Air New Zealand as a means of splitting ALPA and thus dividing the bargaining power of the pilots. Just the fact that you belong to the Federation no matter your reasons is going to draw the ire of pilots who are fighting for a fair deal.
No matter how much you personally may sympathise with the ALPA cause the very existence of the organisation you belong to takes it so much more difficult for that fair deal to be reached. Add to that the fact that any gains ALPA get from management the Federation pilots also get, (e.g. stat holiday pay) without making any contribution. Is it any wonder some ALPA members think badly of Federation pilots?
I don't think so.
The great thing about where we live is our freedom of choice. This includes our right to different industrial representation.
There is a flaw in your argument here
but would ask some people (and it is only some) to please note that whilst we may be Fed that doesn't mean we don't have sympathy for the ALPA Air Nelson cause
No matter how much you personally may sympathise with the ALPA cause the very existence of the organisation you belong to takes it so much more difficult for that fair deal to be reached. Add to that the fact that any gains ALPA get from management the Federation pilots also get, (e.g. stat holiday pay) without making any contribution. Is it any wonder some ALPA members think badly of Federation pilots?
I don't think so.
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For those of you wondering if cancellations at Air Nsn for mechanical reasons are real I offer the following explanation. The aircraft cannot be released on the Minimum Equipment List without a couple of pilots. Just like any other important component if the pilots are broken (sick), worn out (out of duty hours) and there are no replacement parts available (pilots telling Air Nsn to combine sex and travel when asked to work on their days off) then the aircraft has a mechanical problem (the engines wont start) and is grounded.
Air Nsn tries to carry replacement parts (Feds and independents) but at the moment the storeroom is bare because those parts are all being used and are starting to break down and wear out as well.
If the travelling public and Air NZ Management think that the "mechanical problems" will suddenly disappear when a release to service (ALPA CEA) has been signed off then they are sorely mistaken. Only a complete replacement of the the Flight Management System (JH) will fix these issues.
Air Nsn tries to carry replacement parts (Feds and independents) but at the moment the storeroom is bare because those parts are all being used and are starting to break down and wear out as well.
If the travelling public and Air NZ Management think that the "mechanical problems" will suddenly disappear when a release to service (ALPA CEA) has been signed off then they are sorely mistaken. Only a complete replacement of the the Flight Management System (JH) will fix these issues.
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Hi guys,
Thanks for your comments........
Yes, ALPA did negotiate the holiday pay issue and the Fed members enjoyed the benefit, but the opposite has also been true in the past (as an example the excellent mainline incentive pay system). Also our contract does not (unlike the ALPA contract) include a clause stating that we get something if ALPA negotiates a better deal. In this case we received the holiday pay as it was a legal court case (won by ALPA and with ALPA's labour, time and effort of course)......
Personally I would (probably like a majority of Fed members) prefer a single union but there are things about ALPA that don't appeal and if they could be sorted I would fully support an amalgamation to a singular union voice. There is no doubt whatsoever that the Air NZ pilot body would be better suited to a single union voice.
Of course these are my views and many will not agree.........as I probably won't agree with them!! But good to hear your points and views!!
Cheers guys.
Thanks for your comments........
Yes, ALPA did negotiate the holiday pay issue and the Fed members enjoyed the benefit, but the opposite has also been true in the past (as an example the excellent mainline incentive pay system). Also our contract does not (unlike the ALPA contract) include a clause stating that we get something if ALPA negotiates a better deal. In this case we received the holiday pay as it was a legal court case (won by ALPA and with ALPA's labour, time and effort of course)......
Personally I would (probably like a majority of Fed members) prefer a single union but there are things about ALPA that don't appeal and if they could be sorted I would fully support an amalgamation to a singular union voice. There is no doubt whatsoever that the Air NZ pilot body would be better suited to a single union voice.
Of course these are my views and many will not agree.........as I probably won't agree with them!! But good to hear your points and views!!
Cheers guys.
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I do agree on the Employment Court Ruling as this is a legal requirement to pay T1.5 +the day in lieu and would not natter what union you are in as it would legally need too be paid regardless of your union pref.
Just out of curiosity, if there is a Fed piot reading this, what have you people agreed to as a % increase or are you still waiting for the alpa boys to have theirs signed off.
Im sure the conditions that dont suit the membership of some fed pilots is that they would have to pay x% to alpa to get nothing in return, aparently...and that when you stand up for what you believe in ie: strike, that you loose a days pay with alpa and gain a bonus or whatever as the "others" Yeah that would be something I would want changed too...
A CHALLENGE TO THE FED MEMBERS AT AIR NELSON...
If you fed pilots REALLY support the alpa crew then get all the fed pilots at air nsn together and make a donation (would not have to be huge) to help recover the lost wages incurred by the strike, I say this only because if you guys downed tools to, it would be an unauthorised srike and it's not worth going there so you could show your support in the financial sense.
Purely because them standing together makes the place that you work at better in the long run...
Just out of curiosity, if there is a Fed piot reading this, what have you people agreed to as a % increase or are you still waiting for the alpa boys to have theirs signed off.
Im sure the conditions that dont suit the membership of some fed pilots is that they would have to pay x% to alpa to get nothing in return, aparently...and that when you stand up for what you believe in ie: strike, that you loose a days pay with alpa and gain a bonus or whatever as the "others" Yeah that would be something I would want changed too...
A CHALLENGE TO THE FED MEMBERS AT AIR NELSON...
If you fed pilots REALLY support the alpa crew then get all the fed pilots at air nsn together and make a donation (would not have to be huge) to help recover the lost wages incurred by the strike, I say this only because if you guys downed tools to, it would be an unauthorised srike and it's not worth going there so you could show your support in the financial sense.
Purely because them standing together makes the place that you work at better in the long run...
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Hi 'Always Inverted'
To answer your question: Air NZ Mainline Federation contract was finalised, and accepted by the pilot group, @ 6 months ago for a 3% immediate payrise, another 1 % next year (not exactly sure what date) and then re-negotiation next year with a new contract round. Plus some other benefits of a minor nature.
Overall the feeling was a higher % increase would have been preferred but at the vote it was accepted.
Cheers.
To answer your question: Air NZ Mainline Federation contract was finalised, and accepted by the pilot group, @ 6 months ago for a 3% immediate payrise, another 1 % next year (not exactly sure what date) and then re-negotiation next year with a new contract round. Plus some other benefits of a minor nature.
Overall the feeling was a higher % increase would have been preferred but at the vote it was accepted.
Cheers.