HyperMerged: Q Engineering LAME EBA VIII/Industrial Strategies
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Greetings, fellow aviation professionals!
You may be aware that the lames at Qantas are about to start protected industrial action,
One possibility for retaliation by Qantas management would be to employ strikebreakers to fill our jobs, if there is a stop work.
These strike breakers more than likely will not hold complete qualifications on the aircraft you fly.
Most likely they will be familiar with lower technology aircraft, or only be partly trained.
These Engineers may be given "Transit Authority Approval"
This basically means that the Transit Authority holder may release aircraft to service as long as there are no defects requiring a fully qualified engineer to make a determination of airworthiness.
Lames around the network would really appreciate that if it gets to this point......
Make sure that if you find a defect during your normal duties......
especially if you think it's trivial or you're not sure......
Put it in the book
hopefully this simple action will blunt the effectiveness of the strikebreakers
Thanks to all,
Yours in professional fellowship,
NMDhold
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Fellow Lames,
I have been unable to post this letter across multiple threads because it was pointed out by a moderator that it could be seen as spamming the forum.
It might be an idea to print off this post or something similar and place copies where Flight and Cabin crew may peruse it.
All the best,
NMDhold
You may be aware that the lames at Qantas are about to start protected industrial action,
One possibility for retaliation by Qantas management would be to employ strikebreakers to fill our jobs, if there is a stop work.
These strike breakers more than likely will not hold complete qualifications on the aircraft you fly.
Most likely they will be familiar with lower technology aircraft, or only be partly trained.
These Engineers may be given "Transit Authority Approval"
This basically means that the Transit Authority holder may release aircraft to service as long as there are no defects requiring a fully qualified engineer to make a determination of airworthiness.
Lames around the network would really appreciate that if it gets to this point......
Make sure that if you find a defect during your normal duties......
especially if you think it's trivial or you're not sure......
Put it in the book
hopefully this simple action will blunt the effectiveness of the strikebreakers
Thanks to all,
Yours in professional fellowship,
NMDhold
Edit......
Fellow Lames,
I have been unable to post this letter across multiple threads because it was pointed out by a moderator that it could be seen as spamming the forum.
It might be an idea to print off this post or something similar and place copies where Flight and Cabin crew may peruse it.
All the best,
NMDhold
Last edited by NMDhold; 4th Jan 2008 at 17:35.
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I'm sure all QF group pilots will be behind the gingerbeers 100%
This group of scumbag greedy managers need to be sent a message and it's about time that a group of workers had the balls to stand up to them....
Now that the liberal government is gone lets hope some of the power is returned to the workers of this country!!
Afterall we are the ones driving qf's huge profits every year!!
This group of scumbag greedy managers need to be sent a message and it's about time that a group of workers had the balls to stand up to them....
Now that the liberal government is gone lets hope some of the power is returned to the workers of this country!!
Afterall we are the ones driving qf's huge profits every year!!
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Perth are 100% onboard.
Everyone really needs to stick together.
The EBA will eventually be agreed / signed and only the level of unity and commitment will determine how good those conditions will be.
All staff are entitled to their annual leave each year so these Leave bans CANNOT be sustained. In fact, the more leave we are not taking, the worse it looks on the QF books. The bean counters hate seeing our leave and 20th days accumulating.
If you need time off, see a doctor and save your Annual, 20th days and LSL for another time. Most of you have huge amounts of sick leave saved up incase it is really needed. You can’t take it with you when you go and I reckon a lot of you really need it now. Go See the Doc.
All the best.
Everyone really needs to stick together.
The EBA will eventually be agreed / signed and only the level of unity and commitment will determine how good those conditions will be.
All staff are entitled to their annual leave each year so these Leave bans CANNOT be sustained. In fact, the more leave we are not taking, the worse it looks on the QF books. The bean counters hate seeing our leave and 20th days accumulating.
If you need time off, see a doctor and save your Annual, 20th days and LSL for another time. Most of you have huge amounts of sick leave saved up incase it is really needed. You can’t take it with you when you go and I reckon a lot of you really need it now. Go See the Doc.
All the best.
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Realise this!
If we settle for 3% again whilst wage growth is 4 1/2 %-5% and rising and has been above 3% for a long time! Do the sums, its death by errosion and must be stopped.
$2000 last year is the 2% difference add that to a further $4160 due another loss of 2% = $6180 after only 2 years with 2% less. After 3 years its $6491
eg at the end of
2006 $100 000 $100 000
2007 $103 000 $105 000 $2000
2008 $106 090 $110 250 $4160
2009 $109 272 $115 763 $6491
# $12651 further out of pocket in only three years compared to the average wage inflation on a $100 000 income. This is additional to what has already been erroded!
When will people accept for our skill, and a 24/7 shift etc we are not paid that well.
More than half the LAME's are less than level 9 and cannot move past it.
The basic pay of a level 9 is $77 000. To be a level 9 generally you hold a number of licences to this figure add shift between 7% and 38%.
Single licence holders in the shed are well off the money at around $75 000 to $80 000 all up for their skills and shift!
$2000 last year is the 2% difference add that to a further $4160 due another loss of 2% = $6180 after only 2 years with 2% less. After 3 years its $6491
eg at the end of
2006 $100 000 $100 000
2007 $103 000 $105 000 $2000
2008 $106 090 $110 250 $4160
2009 $109 272 $115 763 $6491
# $12651 further out of pocket in only three years compared to the average wage inflation on a $100 000 income. This is additional to what has already been erroded!
When will people accept for our skill, and a 24/7 shift etc we are not paid that well.
More than half the LAME's are less than level 9 and cannot move past it.
The basic pay of a level 9 is $77 000. To be a level 9 generally you hold a number of licences to this figure add shift between 7% and 38%.
Single licence holders in the shed are well off the money at around $75 000 to $80 000 all up for their skills and shift!
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So L$# W$#KER strikes again. I seem to remember when a lot of people in QF engineering thought it a bad thing if this puppet gets a license in the first place. Hold tight BNE heavy i think we are finally united except for a few bad eggs. They have no where else to do their 330's.
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very valid point rudderless - the 3% corporate mentality affects everyone and with Short Haul CC and others also commencing EBA negotiations it's time for all QF people to scrum down and back the push.
Also bear in mind that 3% is not even in line with the current notional/comparitative inflation quo; - something that the long haul CC appeared to have overlooked in their deal. (NO correspondence pls).
Happy to support & will gladly continue to (responsibily) put the condition log to good use.
Also bear in mind that 3% is not even in line with the current notional/comparitative inflation quo; - something that the long haul CC appeared to have overlooked in their deal. (NO correspondence pls).
Happy to support & will gladly continue to (responsibily) put the condition log to good use.
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how can the bonus be justified,let alone his base amount for mismanaging engineering!
Cox is a 3rd tier poor performance and ability manager
His pay $1.89 mil his bonus and not the first is 500 000 qf shares.
His BONUS alone equates to the difference of 2% for 1500 LAME's and they say it with a straight face!
Time for recognition of efforts by others Dave!
His pay $1.89 mil his bonus and not the first is 500 000 qf shares.
His BONUS alone equates to the difference of 2% for 1500 LAME's and they say it with a straight face!
Time for recognition of efforts by others Dave!
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What it takes to do right sorry I mean wrong!
That's $40 000 a week just to turn up! An additional $60 000 a week to screw those under him doing all the work. This is all achieved by lies and intimidation not by BUILDING A BETTER BUSINESS AND ENGAGING THE WORKFORCE!
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From The Australian, 5 Jan 2008
Trust us. 
Heard that one a few times before,
never again should we trust THEM!
Mr Cox said the meeting had reviewed a range of issues the parties had been talking through for almost a year. He said Qantas had no intention of casualising the workforce, changing the definition of an employee or "going over the top" on part-time workers, and he believed the company could back that up with language in the agreement.
Heard that one a few times before,
never again should we trust THEM!
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From the Melbourne Age 5/1/08:-
"If the serviceability remains high then you probably won't see a lot of effect, but if it starts to decline and you have a couple of aircraft go to the US, then they obviously won't be able to draw on extra manpower, and that is when some aircraft may need to be grounded."
Watching this from the UK, I would note the following:-
It looks like Mathew Murphy knows as much about aviation as the infamous Simon Calder of the Independent here in the UK. I imaging QF have a couple of aircraft in SFO and LAX most days. Presumably he meant 'a couple of aircraft go US'.
Why don't Quantas don't publish anything about this on their website. The last press release on the site is from 20th December. Why are they hiding this from the fare paying public? Is it to create maximum disruption and be able to blame the LAMEs. BA are always very hot on giving any intenal or external industrial action front page treatment on their website. This reassures the punters that at least they are aware of the problem, and are thinking about it.
Good luck to you all, even though it might screw up my forthcoming staff travel arrangements, we are right behind you.
"If the serviceability remains high then you probably won't see a lot of effect, but if it starts to decline and you have a couple of aircraft go to the US, then they obviously won't be able to draw on extra manpower, and that is when some aircraft may need to be grounded."
Watching this from the UK, I would note the following:-
It looks like Mathew Murphy knows as much about aviation as the infamous Simon Calder of the Independent here in the UK. I imaging QF have a couple of aircraft in SFO and LAX most days. Presumably he meant 'a couple of aircraft go US'.
Why don't Quantas don't publish anything about this on their website. The last press release on the site is from 20th December. Why are they hiding this from the fare paying public? Is it to create maximum disruption and be able to blame the LAMEs. BA are always very hot on giving any intenal or external industrial action front page treatment on their website. This reassures the punters that at least they are aware of the problem, and are thinking about it.
Good luck to you all, even though it might screw up my forthcoming staff travel arrangements, we are right behind you.
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This whole thing comes down to 1%. Is that correct?
Which is 13 bucks after tax on 100k.
All this nonsense for 13 bucks a week?
You gotta be kidding!
If you want to be taken seriously, go for serious money!
13 bucks is a joke!
Which is 13 bucks after tax on 100k.
All this nonsense for 13 bucks a week?
You gotta be kidding!
If you want to be taken seriously, go for serious money!
13 bucks is a joke!
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The QF005 was cancelled today, Engine change. When asked if it could be changed in time for a departure before curfew, the answer was no.
The QF001 should probably have left by now, only 3 hours late.
The QF001 should probably have left by now, only 3 hours late.