HyperMerged: Q Engineering LAME EBA VIII/Industrial Strategies
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Stop Work Meetings
If you are on night-shift Tuesday 8th, finishing on the Wednesday morning, ask your union rep to come in 4 hrs before your finish time to explain the overtime restrictions and any other queries you may have.
IE, If you finish at 0600 Wednesday, your stop-work meeting starts at 0200
Wednesday.
As you will be docked 4 hrs pay, once the meeting has finished, go home!
Make sure you start your sign-ups and DR&R writing at 0130 and let day-shift sort out the mess !!!!
SpannerTwister.
IE, If you finish at 0600 Wednesday, your stop-work meeting starts at 0200
Wednesday.
As you will be docked 4 hrs pay, once the meeting has finished, go home!
Make sure you start your sign-ups and DR&R writing at 0130 and let day-shift sort out the mess !!!!
SpannerTwister.
Last edited by SpannerTwister; 6th Jan 2008 at 08:38. Reason: Typo..Brain not working correctly, 387 blown !
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As you will be docked 4 hrs pay, once the meeting has finished, go home!
Make sure you start your sign-ups and DR&R writing at 0130 and let day-shift sort out the mess !!!!
SpannerTurner.
Make sure you start your sign-ups and DR&R writing at 0130 and let day-shift sort out the mess !!!!
SpannerTurner.
Umm,
Your user name is SpannerTwister, yet you've signed off your last post using my user name. Please refrain!
From a previous post of mine:-
" SpannerTwister "
mmmmmmm.........very close to infringing on my name there my friend!!
mmmmmmm.........very close to infringing on my name there my friend!!
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Hobo, spanner twister & spanner turner
Hobo, tell amos to fark off. If you have a post code in QLD, then that's your good fortune and his/her tough luck. Amos want to chime in with some other gibe here?
Spanner twister/turner, you two really need to sort it out soon, or else invite everyone to the wedding
Spanner twister/turner, you two really need to sort it out soon, or else invite everyone to the wedding
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To Sunfish
Sunfish, you make some silly comments from a person who has repeatedly taken differing views, i suggest you stick to text books, you have no idea , sorry you worked for some IT company, that did this or that, either way do not accuse me of something i am not.
The Bottom line is we are entering a campaign half pregnant, its either gloves of or not , either way , we all should be prepared be locked out, it will happen , so when you all finish having a go , take a breath then in several weeks read this post and check out how true my prediction was/is.
The Bottom line is we are entering a campaign half pregnant, its either gloves of or not , either way , we all should be prepared be locked out, it will happen , so when you all finish having a go , take a breath then in several weeks read this post and check out how true my prediction was/is.
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wingers we are adults here we are not trying to fu#$ the company(gloves off) we are trying to make them see the error of their ways by being a little difficult. a bit like the wife not talking to you or withdrawing certain favors.
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I think (hope) SpannerTurner and I have kissed and made up.
Now all we gotta do is hope that the association and the company can do the same ......................
SpannerTwister.
Now all we gotta do is hope that the association and the company can do the same ......................
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MENDAERO said:
"There are three clauses the company want inserted into the EBA which in their current form are show stoppers. These are:
1. Definition of an employee
2. Dispute settlement procedure
3. Flexible working arrangements
The second two have reportedly had some good movement on the companies part.
One sticking point with the members has been the third clause, the company wanted unlimited part time and casual labour, however they do not utilize the current 5% available to them, why should we go any where near unlimited."
I say:
Anyone with a single licence on a classic aircraft (B747-3/400, B767, B737-3/400) - which is alot of guys in Sydney Base, Melbourne and Brisbane Heavy - should be VERY concerned for their future if this clause is included.
When these older aircraft have all been retired, you'll be left with a redundant licence. This is not in the too distant future - the process will commence in the term of this EBA!
The company has put the writing on the wall with the A380 selection process and the A330 crew - minimum numbers of trained LAMEs supervising a bunch of AMEs and unlicenced LAMEs who are only there on the unfulfilled promise of training & equipment. So if management's A330 & A380 maintenance plan even half works, they'll do the same with the B787, assuming we 'win' the contract. Now if the definition of a LAME broadens, the company could call you an AME and pay you accordingly.
If you don't like it, leave. Oh yeah, but since your position is not redundant, merely 're-defined', don't expect a payout. 
We've heard DC state in meetings that the company would NEVER do that. He stated that if you're a LAME and they only require AMEs then you'll be made redundant as a LAME. But then AVV was supposed to only be overflow for Sydney Heavy. Now do you believe him when he says 'dont worry about the LAME definition clause - you wont even know it's there!', do you believe him?
The only slight hiccup I see in this cunning plan - what self-respecting middle-aged LAME is gonna cop a big pay cut to be an AME to some young whipper-snapper A380 LAME? Hmmm... not this paunchy & balding little black duck. Apparently, there IS life outside of Qantas!
"There are three clauses the company want inserted into the EBA which in their current form are show stoppers. These are:
1. Definition of an employee
2. Dispute settlement procedure
3. Flexible working arrangements
The second two have reportedly had some good movement on the companies part.
One sticking point with the members has been the third clause, the company wanted unlimited part time and casual labour, however they do not utilize the current 5% available to them, why should we go any where near unlimited."
I say:
Anyone with a single licence on a classic aircraft (B747-3/400, B767, B737-3/400) - which is alot of guys in Sydney Base, Melbourne and Brisbane Heavy - should be VERY concerned for their future if this clause is included.
When these older aircraft have all been retired, you'll be left with a redundant licence. This is not in the too distant future - the process will commence in the term of this EBA!
The company has put the writing on the wall with the A380 selection process and the A330 crew - minimum numbers of trained LAMEs supervising a bunch of AMEs and unlicenced LAMEs who are only there on the unfulfilled promise of training & equipment. So if management's A330 & A380 maintenance plan even half works, they'll do the same with the B787, assuming we 'win' the contract. Now if the definition of a LAME broadens, the company could call you an AME and pay you accordingly.
If you don't like it, leave. Oh yeah, but since your position is not redundant, merely 're-defined', don't expect a payout. We've heard DC state in meetings that the company would NEVER do that. He stated that if you're a LAME and they only require AMEs then you'll be made redundant as a LAME. But then AVV was supposed to only be overflow for Sydney Heavy. Now do you believe him when he says 'dont worry about the LAME definition clause - you wont even know it's there!', do you believe him?
The only slight hiccup I see in this cunning plan - what self-respecting middle-aged LAME is gonna cop a big pay cut to be an AME to some young whipper-snapper A380 LAME? Hmmm... not this paunchy & balding little black duck. Apparently, there IS life outside of Qantas!
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Amos2 said:
"This whole thing comes down to 1%. Is that correct?
Which is 13 bucks after tax on 100k.
All this nonsense for 13 bucks a week?
You gotta be kidding!
If you want to be taken seriously, go for serious money!
13 bucks is a joke!"
It's the principle of the thing. We've heard our EBA negotiators (previous union regime mind you) and the company tell us in previous EBAs that if we cop a wage freeze and act in good faith etc etc when the company's on the ropes with 9/11, SARS, bird flu etc, then when times are good we'll be looked after. But in every succeeding EBA we've given stuff up for minimum pay-rises that aren't acceptable to the general public. Now times are good. The company STILL wants to erode our T & C's. Well there aint that much left to give. We've been slowly bleeding for 7 EBAs. And there is no goodwill left. Our worth is unappreciated, clearly. And that is our own fault, for most LAMEs have a can-do attitude and will find ways to work around unworkable, underfunded, under-trained, under-equipped, ill-conceived policies, procedures and maintenance situations. The situations we find ourselves in daily are not of our making, but of supposedly intelligent people with MBAs who wouldn't know a spanner from a sausage and have a low opinion of anyone without a degree. They don't work nightshift, they don't see the results of their folly and unfortunately most LAMEs are too apathetic to drive home the point. But all that's about to change...
"This whole thing comes down to 1%. Is that correct?
Which is 13 bucks after tax on 100k.
All this nonsense for 13 bucks a week?
You gotta be kidding!
If you want to be taken seriously, go for serious money!
13 bucks is a joke!"
It's the principle of the thing. We've heard our EBA negotiators (previous union regime mind you) and the company tell us in previous EBAs that if we cop a wage freeze and act in good faith etc etc when the company's on the ropes with 9/11, SARS, bird flu etc, then when times are good we'll be looked after. But in every succeeding EBA we've given stuff up for minimum pay-rises that aren't acceptable to the general public. Now times are good. The company STILL wants to erode our T & C's. Well there aint that much left to give. We've been slowly bleeding for 7 EBAs. And there is no goodwill left. Our worth is unappreciated, clearly. And that is our own fault, for most LAMEs have a can-do attitude and will find ways to work around unworkable, underfunded, under-trained, under-equipped, ill-conceived policies, procedures and maintenance situations. The situations we find ourselves in daily are not of our making, but of supposedly intelligent people with MBAs who wouldn't know a spanner from a sausage and have a low opinion of anyone without a degree. They don't work nightshift, they don't see the results of their folly and unfortunately most LAMEs are too apathetic to drive home the point. But all that's about to change...
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And by the way gents, Qantas' chief EBA negotiator told the ALAEA negotiating team that "unions always run out of puff". Is the company purposely trying to aggravate the LAMEs? Makes you wonder.
And then there's the $126 million fighting fund in the bank to break us big mean LAMEs. HOLY S**T! Hold on to your hats boys, it's gonna get interesting!
And then there's the $126 million fighting fund in the bank to break us big mean LAMEs. HOLY S**T! Hold on to your hats boys, it's gonna get interesting!
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Steady....Steady.......
Hold the line.....
Steady......
Look up young fellow, it's not all that bad......
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Wait for the whistle......
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Steady.....
Wait for the whistle.......
Get your kit ready.....
Log those items in the book.....
Hold the line......
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Make sure you're ok.....
Keep your head down.....
Wait for it......
See the doctor....
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Spirits up.......
Not long now......
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HERE WE GO LADS......
Pwheeeeeeeeeee........
OVER THE TOP.......
Pwheeeeeeeeeee........
pwheeeeeeeeeee........
See you on the other side
NMDhold
Hold the line.....
Steady......
Look up young fellow, it's not all that bad......
.........
Wait for the whistle......
.........
Steady.....
Wait for the whistle.......
Get your kit ready.....
Log those items in the book.....
Hold the line......
........
Make sure you're ok.....
Keep your head down.....
Wait for it......
See the doctor....
........
Spirits up.......
Not long now......
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HERE WE GO LADS......
Pwheeeeeeeeeee........
OVER THE TOP.......
Pwheeeeeeeeeee........
pwheeeeeeeeeee........
See you on the other side
NMDhold
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The company has already won a morale victory with the ALAEA not using its full arsenal of industrial action.DC has stated that its low key stuff.Hit em hard I say and be bench marks.
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$126 000 000 so what!
The company is likely to exceed $1 400 000 000 dollar profit! Due to your efforts.That's $27 000 000 per week if put at risk will soon errode their $126 000 000 fund to screw us again! For what, refusing to pay a fair outcome and removing some slimmy conditions.
GREED SUX YOUR PAY FOR THEIR BONUS
GREED SUX YOUR PAY FOR THEIR BONUS
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Now is the time to listen to you association reps, they are in contact with Bexley and are receiving instructions from there............
Don't let your MACS / DMM get away with "work-arounds", stick with the association.
Now is the time we all need to support each other.
SpannerTwister.
Don't let your MACS / DMM get away with "work-arounds", stick with the association.
Now is the time we all need to support each other.
SpannerTwister.
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SpannerTwister said
“IE, If you finish at 0600 Wednesday, your stop-work meeting starts at 0200
Wednesday.
As you will be docked 4 hrs pay, once the meeting has finished, go home!
Make sure you start your sign-ups and DR&R writing at 0130 and let day-shift sort out the mess !!!! "
I think it would be far better if all ports had their stop work meetings at 0500 – 0900 local time at each port. Hit their “First flight of the day”.
“IE, If you finish at 0600 Wednesday, your stop-work meeting starts at 0200
Wednesday.
As you will be docked 4 hrs pay, once the meeting has finished, go home!
Make sure you start your sign-ups and DR&R writing at 0130 and let day-shift sort out the mess !!!! "
I think it would be far better if all ports had their stop work meetings at 0500 – 0900 local time at each port. Hit their “First flight of the day”.
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Principle not cash
Maybe the alaea should come back to the company in 6 months for renegotiating after we kick off on Wednesday. This will have them running scared (not that they are'nt already!!) If the company were confident of victory they would be pretty quiet at the moment, but they are not. The longer we hold out, the more money we cost the company until they have to start notifying shareholders of a profit downgrade. And what do you think their reaction would be? Especially when industrial action is costing $100mil + for the sake of a $5mil EBA! If there is enough fat in this company to pay 1 man $70 miilion and yet we can't afford to keep major maint in Australia, or even keep our own egineers employed full time then something is seriously wrong with the integrity of this organisation. There is a fine line between business and greed and I think its been crossed. The heart and soul of QF engineering was killed when Heavy maint Syd was closed down. And it still sits there empty. This EBA is about principle,not money! We've had enough.
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