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Bogging it down!
A 738 I ended up working on last night originally had 1 then 2 LAME's allocated to it.
Through the diligence of the original LAME's the daily check spawned 14 DR&R's, 6 tech log entries and 1 new EA soaking up a further 3 LAME's and 3 AME's which resulted in another aircraft left virtually untouched and handed over unfinished to COTOS. (sic)
Importantly not one of the defects identified was of a malicious nature, all clearly deeming the A/C u/s as per the AMM or QF data.
Another 767 is still AOG with cronic corrosion found in the bilge area.
With the state of some of the A/C this will become almost a daily occurance and you don't even have to try.
Through the diligence of the original LAME's the daily check spawned 14 DR&R's, 6 tech log entries and 1 new EA soaking up a further 3 LAME's and 3 AME's which resulted in another aircraft left virtually untouched and handed over unfinished to COTOS. (sic)
Importantly not one of the defects identified was of a malicious nature, all clearly deeming the A/C u/s as per the AMM or QF data.
Another 767 is still AOG with cronic corrosion found in the bilge area.
With the state of some of the A/C this will become almost a daily occurance and you don't even have to try.
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Redstone you said -
Firstly Sobast, you should as an operational LAME be fully abreast of the claim and counter claim pertaining to EBAVIII, if you are not then I suggest you approach your local rep who will be more than happy to fill you in on the all the detail.
And yes, I'm staying Coooooool.
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Snippet from the Act
As I asked previously, are we not sending the secondees and actors in as sacraficial lambs? They are in a situation where they have been directed by the union to refuse to carry out their "other" duties when asked to by their manager. They will/can be docked. (see the extract below) The rest of us can just say we're not available for O/T and surreptitiously "work to rule" with no penalty from QF. Aren't we crucifying our mates?
WORKPLACE RELATIONS ACT 1996 - SECT 507
Payments not to be made or accepted in relation to periods of industrial action
(1) This section applies if an employee engaged, or engages, in industrial action (whether or not protected action) in relation to an employer on a day.
(2) The employer must not make a payment to an employee in relation to:
(a) if the total duration of the industrial action on that day is less than 4 hours--4 hours of that day; or
(b) otherwise--the total duration of the industrial action on that day.
Note: This subsection is a civil remedy provision: see subsection (6).
(3) If:
(a) the industrial action is during a shift (or other period of work); and
(b) the shift (or other period of work) occurs partly on 1 day and partly on the next day;
then, for the purposes of this section, the shift is taken to be a day and the remaining parts of the days are taken not to be part of that day.
Example: An employee, who is working a shift from 10 pm on Tuesday until 7 am on Wednesday, engages in industrial action from 11 pm on Tuesday until 1 am on Wednesday. That industrial action would prevent the employer making a payment to the employee in relation to 4 hours of the shift, but would not prevent the employer from making a payment in relation to the remaining 5 hours of the shift.
(4) For the purposes of subsection (3), overtime is taken not to be a separate shift.
(5) An employee must not accept a payment from an employer if the employer would contravene subsection (2) by making the payment.
Payments not to be made or accepted in relation to periods of industrial action
(1) This section applies if an employee engaged, or engages, in industrial action (whether or not protected action) in relation to an employer on a day.
(2) The employer must not make a payment to an employee in relation to:
(a) if the total duration of the industrial action on that day is less than 4 hours--4 hours of that day; or
(b) otherwise--the total duration of the industrial action on that day.
Note: This subsection is a civil remedy provision: see subsection (6).
(3) If:
(a) the industrial action is during a shift (or other period of work); and
(b) the shift (or other period of work) occurs partly on 1 day and partly on the next day;
then, for the purposes of this section, the shift is taken to be a day and the remaining parts of the days are taken not to be part of that day.
Example: An employee, who is working a shift from 10 pm on Tuesday until 7 am on Wednesday, engages in industrial action from 11 pm on Tuesday until 1 am on Wednesday. That industrial action would prevent the employer making a payment to the employee in relation to 4 hours of the shift, but would not prevent the employer from making a payment in relation to the remaining 5 hours of the shift.
(4) For the purposes of subsection (3), overtime is taken not to be a separate shift.
(5) An employee must not accept a payment from an employer if the employer would contravene subsection (2) by making the payment.
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Thats OK for beginers. The Perth boys have some good experience with this sort of stuff. The day they cancelled our leave this is what happened. See thread below.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=306016
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=306016
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what has changed from the powerpoint presentation that was voted on
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"are we not sending the secondees and actors in as sacraficial lambs?"
"Not if we all have a stop work meeting everytime one of these lambs is docked 4 hour pay."
looks like we are going to be out for a F**king long time
"Not if we all have a stop work meeting everytime one of these lambs is docked 4 hour pay."
looks like we are going to be out for a F**king long time
Wingers:
It's pretty easy working out who the FUD spreaders (intentional or arguably unintentional) are....they react badly when they are called on it. Look for more first time, or low time, posters trying to wind you up.......
Mr. Purvinas looks to be doing a good job on your behalves, and the information he has communicated seems to me to be a model of clarity and purpose. Help him do his job by keeping out of his hair and keep your fears to yourselves until FACTS are revealed.
I would expect more FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) rumors will be spread. I would also expect personal attacks on the reputations and motives of your executive and reps will commence shortly.
My prediction is that Qantas will cave once they are sure you about to conduct a legal and hard hitting campaign and give you everything you've asked for. Bullies are cowards at heart.
OK Redstone, will stay calm, best thing for me is to try to stay away from here for a couple of days
Mr. Purvinas looks to be doing a good job on your behalves, and the information he has communicated seems to me to be a model of clarity and purpose. Help him do his job by keeping out of his hair and keep your fears to yourselves until FACTS are revealed.
I would expect more FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) rumors will be spread. I would also expect personal attacks on the reputations and motives of your executive and reps will commence shortly.
My prediction is that Qantas will cave once they are sure you about to conduct a legal and hard hitting campaign and give you everything you've asked for. Bullies are cowards at heart.
Having just finished night shift, I can tell you that many a good rumor are started and spread from PPRuNE. Excellent ploy by the consultants to use the primary website forum for rumors to spread a bit of misinformation
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End of the Bull****
1. QF cannot just end our EBA, it would be a long drawn out process and they MUST convince the IRC that we have not been negotiating in good faith AND it is in the national interest to terminate
2. The ALAEA EXECUTIVE have driven OUR AGENDA, Country wide meetings, continued notices, 24/7 availability FFS I rang PC at 9pm on Xmas eve, ****tin my pants and HE ANSWERED, calmly told me where we stood and said as long as we backed him he and SP would carry the baton for us, though the long arm of QF cannot touch SP no more.
3. WHAT DO WE WANT ? The notices have been numerous and informative. Even the former Pres has remarked that they are doing a better job than expected and have galvanized the troops.
4. Sobast you are a friggin company puppet who deserves all that is coming to him, I will welcome you back to the floor then bury you
THE AGE OF THE COMPANY STOOGE IS OVER
BRING ON THE REAL MEN WITH REAL HEART
5. To all that have posted for the first time with words of support for our fight
THANK YOU WE WILL NOT FORGET
1. QF cannot just end our EBA, it would be a long drawn out process and they MUST convince the IRC that we have not been negotiating in good faith AND it is in the national interest to terminate
2. The ALAEA EXECUTIVE have driven OUR AGENDA, Country wide meetings, continued notices, 24/7 availability FFS I rang PC at 9pm on Xmas eve, ****tin my pants and HE ANSWERED, calmly told me where we stood and said as long as we backed him he and SP would carry the baton for us, though the long arm of QF cannot touch SP no more.
3. WHAT DO WE WANT ? The notices have been numerous and informative. Even the former Pres has remarked that they are doing a better job than expected and have galvanized the troops.
4. Sobast you are a friggin company puppet who deserves all that is coming to him, I will welcome you back to the floor then bury you
THE AGE OF THE COMPANY STOOGE IS OVER
BRING ON THE REAL MEN WITH REAL HEART
5. To all that have posted for the first time with words of support for our fight
THANK YOU WE WILL NOT FORGET
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...............remember guys before you head off down the track of any ret-elative action like a strike Co's such as QF will never allow their buisness to be led/dictated from the "shop floor"! And that's not meant to be a nasty comment, I know of this having worked in the Oil industry some years ago, & trust me these guys are very powerful!
The suggestion of working to rule is the best method of making yr concerns known to the guys/gals at the top. But as someone has mentioned in here already the bean counters assume yr working to rule anyway, doing it by the book, that's what their books/figures are based upon, this is yr best method of attack I feel. Be careful if a fight is the end result here these vermin at the top will have a lot of clout in the courts, (we saw it b4 in WW3, the pilots dispute) They (management)didn't get to be where they are now by letting the 'indians' make the rules (again not meant to be a nasty comment).......their (management) as crooked as they come, & with experience !
. Solidarity as also mentioned here is yr best protection but I wish you guys/gals well as you will never get 100% unity on these matters (management know this & it's sadly to their advantage) & that's a fact of life 'cause we are human, no 2 humans think/behave exactly the same !
Good luck to yr plight folks, I have the greatest respect for engineers.
CW
The suggestion of working to rule is the best method of making yr concerns known to the guys/gals at the top. But as someone has mentioned in here already the bean counters assume yr working to rule anyway, doing it by the book, that's what their books/figures are based upon, this is yr best method of attack I feel. Be careful if a fight is the end result here these vermin at the top will have a lot of clout in the courts, (we saw it b4 in WW3, the pilots dispute) They (management)didn't get to be where they are now by letting the 'indians' make the rules (again not meant to be a nasty comment).......their (management) as crooked as they come, & with experience !
. Solidarity as also mentioned here is yr best protection but I wish you guys/gals well as you will never get 100% unity on these matters (management know this & it's sadly to their advantage) & that's a fact of life 'cause we are human, no 2 humans think/behave exactly the same !Good luck to yr plight folks, I have the greatest respect for engineers.
CW
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Why not just play a lay down misere. Total mass walkout. All walk out the gate at the first 4 hour stop walk and don't come back until the union has a deal.
Sure we may take some collateral damage (threats of jail, perhaps jail) but I think the deal would be wrapped up within three days. Everyone one of us, every Qantas LAME walk and don't come back. We are not asking for 20% payrise a mere 5%. It's the pilot move but with less demands. Staying united would be the problem. Too many spineless, jellybacks.
I knock around with some corporate friends (non QF) and they all say 5% is not unreasonable in the current climate. All reasonable people I discuss out situation with all agree that QF is being unreasonable considering the economic boom they (QF) and the economy is in.
Sure we may take some collateral damage (threats of jail, perhaps jail) but I think the deal would be wrapped up within three days. Everyone one of us, every Qantas LAME walk and don't come back. We are not asking for 20% payrise a mere 5%. It's the pilot move but with less demands. Staying united would be the problem. Too many spineless, jellybacks.
I knock around with some corporate friends (non QF) and they all say 5% is not unreasonable in the current climate. All reasonable people I discuss out situation with all agree that QF is being unreasonable considering the economic boom they (QF) and the economy is in.
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Sobast - your post #569
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what happens to our super if the EBA is cancelled.
Rest easy mate, The way I understand it is that nobody but you can touch your super.
Qantas is obliged by Government Superannuation laws to provide and contribute (9%) to the fund. If they start dicking with this then they will have more than just a bunch of peed of LAMEs on their case , they will be answering to the Government of the day.
Keep in mind you don't even have to be in the QANTAS super if you choose. You can have your money before tax deposited into any super fund in the country, let me tell tell there are some way better funds out there than what Qf has to offer.
Do yourself a favour and get on to a reputable financial advisor, they can really help you with all the super guff that can be very confusing, even to the most financially apt umong us.
All this talk of the company offering better super deals to grades 1 to 4 is crap. As I think I have said before, SUPER IS NOT NEGOTIABLE as an EBA barganing tool as it is compulsory and a given.
what happens to our super if the EBA is cancelled.
Rest easy mate, The way I understand it is that nobody but you can touch your super.
Qantas is obliged by Government Superannuation laws to provide and contribute (9%) to the fund. If they start dicking with this then they will have more than just a bunch of peed of LAMEs on their case , they will be answering to the Government of the day.
Keep in mind you don't even have to be in the QANTAS super if you choose. You can have your money before tax deposited into any super fund in the country, let me tell tell there are some way better funds out there than what Qf has to offer.
Do yourself a favour and get on to a reputable financial advisor, they can really help you with all the super guff that can be very confusing, even to the most financially apt umong us.
All this talk of the company offering better super deals to grades 1 to 4 is crap. As I think I have said before, SUPER IS NOT NEGOTIABLE as an EBA barganing tool as it is compulsory and a given.