Mega Merged: AsA ATC staffing levels
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TFN continues to pour fuel on the fire.
in the latest "Azimuth" (AsA's own monthly magazine that spruiks how good a job they are doing
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""Q: So, if we have made progress as you say, why are we still having so many service interruptions in specific areas?
A: The problem that I see is that there is still a view amongst some of our controllers that they are not willing to accept overtime. I appeal to the majority of our people who are decent and professional Air Traffic Controllers to understand that we are working to resolve this issue, they may think that it has come too late in some respects and in some respects frankly it has, but I am seeking their commitment to help us through this period."
So if I don't accept Ad's I'm not professional? Or decent? How about this TFN - I DON'T do ad's because I'm looking after my fatigue levels. AND I'M ENTITLED TO HAVE DAYS OFF!!!!
the only explanation I can think of for this comment is that he is trying to provoke a reaction from us and paint us in a bad light. NEWSFLASH: the over-reliance on overtime was not caused by ATC's but by poor management planning. And you can't fix it overnight. You want our help - you better treat us with respect, not vieled insults.
in the latest "Azimuth" (AsA's own monthly magazine that spruiks how good a job they are doing
)""Q: So, if we have made progress as you say, why are we still having so many service interruptions in specific areas?
A: The problem that I see is that there is still a view amongst some of our controllers that they are not willing to accept overtime. I appeal to the majority of our people who are decent and professional Air Traffic Controllers to understand that we are working to resolve this issue, they may think that it has come too late in some respects and in some respects frankly it has, but I am seeking their commitment to help us through this period."
So if I don't accept Ad's I'm not professional? Or decent? How about this TFN - I DON'T do ad's because I'm looking after my fatigue levels. AND I'M ENTITLED TO HAVE DAYS OFF!!!!
the only explanation I can think of for this comment is that he is trying to provoke a reaction from us and paint us in a bad light. NEWSFLASH: the over-reliance on overtime was not caused by ATC's but by poor management planning. And you can't fix it overnight. You want our help - you better treat us with respect, not vieled insults.
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Nearly all had been doing large amounts of overtime, and telling those above we were tired of propping up the system.
When TFN first joined, he went on a self proclaimed no BS tour. Everytime he met with controllers he was told of the overtime and lack of staffing. He told us that he was 'hearing us' with a very sincere look on his face and that he would fix this.
Fast forward nearly 3 years on. Nothings changed, there is no way 195 trained, licensed controllers will be pumped out by Dec 2009.It physically cannot be done, in fact they haven't even published the training plan yet and we are 6 months into the 2 years.
It is cheaper, and in TFNs interest, to pay O/T ,fatiguing the professional and decent controllers, and increase the bottom line . This is where bonuses come from.
Professional and decent controllers have made a decision to protect their health and relationships. They have lost faith in TFN and Co. dealing effectively with this problem. Why would they it affects the bottom line.
What was the line about You've got it made when you can fake sincerity.
When TFN first joined, he went on a self proclaimed no BS tour. Everytime he met with controllers he was told of the overtime and lack of staffing. He told us that he was 'hearing us' with a very sincere look on his face and that he would fix this.
Fast forward nearly 3 years on. Nothings changed, there is no way 195 trained, licensed controllers will be pumped out by Dec 2009.It physically cannot be done, in fact they haven't even published the training plan yet and we are 6 months into the 2 years.
It is cheaper, and in TFNs interest, to pay O/T ,fatiguing the professional and decent controllers, and increase the bottom line . This is where bonuses come from.
Professional and decent controllers have made a decision to protect their health and relationships. They have lost faith in TFN and Co. dealing effectively with this problem. Why would they it affects the bottom line.
What was the line about You've got it made when you can fake sincerity.
I can't figure out if this bloke is confused, misinformed, provocative or simply 100% incompetent.
The confusion argument is pretty sound - just a couple of weeks ago he was telling Senators that his orgnisation was relying too much on controllers doing overtime and it wasn't sustainable.
Now he is telling the controllers they are a bunch of bludgers who are not doing enough overtime, and that this makes them somehow unprofessional.
At the same time he kind of admits it his fault there are not enough staff - and for us to all understand.
Mate we have understood it for many years - you might recall us S H O U T I N G it at you relentlessly from the day you walzted in and commenced to totally ignore the calls to fix the pending demographic destiny that was awaiting us, and all the industry that relies on us.
By the way - they rely on an Air Traffic Service - not an Air Traffic Business. I really dont think they give a rats how big a profit you give to the government of the day (and to yourselves at the top) if you fail to provide the basics of this service.
And you are failing.
You might want to engender a bit of loyalty in your remaining experienced professionals - after all you cant seem to keep them here in Australia to start with.
This kind of insulting nonsense is not the way to do it.
I would have thought someone in your Canberra castle might have whispered that in to your ever-deafening ear.
The again, they too would probably have been ignored.
Pity the poor sod who is going to inherit this mess when you parachute out with your pockets full of cash.
The confusion argument is pretty sound - just a couple of weeks ago he was telling Senators that his orgnisation was relying too much on controllers doing overtime and it wasn't sustainable.
Now he is telling the controllers they are a bunch of bludgers who are not doing enough overtime, and that this makes them somehow unprofessional.
At the same time he kind of admits it his fault there are not enough staff - and for us to all understand.
Mate we have understood it for many years - you might recall us S H O U T I N G it at you relentlessly from the day you walzted in and commenced to totally ignore the calls to fix the pending demographic destiny that was awaiting us, and all the industry that relies on us.
By the way - they rely on an Air Traffic Service - not an Air Traffic Business. I really dont think they give a rats how big a profit you give to the government of the day (and to yourselves at the top) if you fail to provide the basics of this service.
And you are failing.
You might want to engender a bit of loyalty in your remaining experienced professionals - after all you cant seem to keep them here in Australia to start with.
This kind of insulting nonsense is not the way to do it.
I would have thought someone in your Canberra castle might have whispered that in to your ever-deafening ear.
The again, they too would probably have been ignored.
Pity the poor sod who is going to inherit this mess when you parachute out with your pockets full of cash.
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Someone forward this link to Canberra - maybe there is hope that they can learn something...
http://www.video.news.com.au?vxSiteI...&vxBitrate=300
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Another little piece of info for any trolling journos
here we are nearly TWO MONTHS past when - according to our current EBA - negotiations were meant to commence, and STILL NO OFFER FROM AsA.
They did mention a board meeting next week - maybe after that.
I'll make a prediction that it will be after WAYPOINT 2008 - and after AsA sets the ASP charges to airlines - so they can then say "sorry, we've already priced your wages for the next five years" [with what consulation, exactly?]
but then, I guess I'm just a cynic.
here we are nearly TWO MONTHS past when - according to our current EBA - negotiations were meant to commence, and STILL NO OFFER FROM AsA.
They did mention a board meeting next week - maybe after that.
I'll make a prediction that it will be after WAYPOINT 2008 - and after AsA sets the ASP charges to airlines - so they can then say "sorry, we've already priced your wages for the next five years" [with what consulation, exactly?]
but then, I guess I'm just a cynic.
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Abu Dhabi would give you an offer quicker than that......
[email protected]
Yousef Al Nabahin
HR Officer (Recruitment in Charge)
General Civil Aviation Authority
Tel.: +971 2 4054210
Fax: +971 2 4054535
P. O. Box:6558 Abu Dhabi,UAE
[email protected]
Yousef Al Nabahin
HR Officer (Recruitment in Charge)
General Civil Aviation Authority
Tel.: +971 2 4054210
Fax: +971 2 4054535
P. O. Box:6558 Abu Dhabi,UAE
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Abu Dhabi would give you an offer quicker than that......
Yousef Al Nabahin
HR Officer (Recruitment in Charge)
General Civil Aviation Authority
Tel.: +971 2 4054210
Fax: +971 2 4054535
P. O. Box:6558 Abu Dhabi,UAE
Yousef Al Nabahin
HR Officer (Recruitment in Charge)
General Civil Aviation Authority
Tel.: +971 2 4054210
Fax: +971 2 4054535
P. O. Box:6558 Abu Dhabi,UAE
(DXB App is AU$16K/month and the housing is cheaper). Leave is 7 weeks plus. GCAA is 20 short. The main reason we're short is EUR6.5k/month net offered by Ireland and the Noggies are going back to Oslo for their EUR160K p.a. (Controller 15yrs exp.). The yarps aren't gonna save us this time they've already left for greener pastures.AsA says that its going to start a drive to bring Aussies home in 2009, dude where's the counter offer?
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the Noggies are going back to Oslo for their EUR160K p.a.
Could you confirm the above? According to XE.Com that`s a tad under AUS$262 000!!!!!
Blonds, Fjords, Blonds. Where do i apply?
the Noggies are going back to Oslo for their EUR160K p.a.
Could you confirm the above? According to XE.Com that`s a tad under AUS$262 000!!!!!
Blonds, Fjords, Blonds. Where do i apply?
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Blonds, Fjords, Blonds. Where do i apply?
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Oslo -
Beer at Pub = $11-12 AU
Coffee at Cafe $6-$7 AU
1lt of Petrol = $2.60 (trains actually run on time though)
Big Mac Meal = $18-20 AU
Best Social Welfare and Health System on Earth - but you pay for it with 50% tax....XMAS and summer bonuses are quite good though.
Beer at Pub = $11-12 AU
Coffee at Cafe $6-$7 AU
1lt of Petrol = $2.60 (trains actually run on time though)
Big Mac Meal = $18-20 AU
Best Social Welfare and Health System on Earth - but you pay for it with 50% tax....XMAS and summer bonuses are quite good though.
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the Noggies are going back to Oslo for their EUR160K p.a.
Could you confirm the above? According to XE.Com that`s a tad under AUS$262 000!!!!!
Blonds, Fjords, Blonds. Where do i apply?
the Noggies are going back to Oslo for their EUR160K p.a.
Could you confirm the above? According to XE.Com that`s a tad under AUS$262 000!!!!!
Blonds, Fjords, Blonds. Where do i apply?
Interestingly enough they have been through the whole AsA style restructure and change for change sake management which resulted in mass resignations and strikes. In the last 18 months the Norwegian salaries have nearly doubled as well their new management actively sought out their ex-pats here in the sandpit with firm offers to come home without psychometric bull**** testing or HR wank interveiw processes.
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This morning we have big discussion in our unit regarding possibility to move and work in Australia as a qualified ATCOs. So I will ask in the names of my colleagues:
1. Is there any other ATC provider except ASA in Australia, and what are conditions if such company exists?
2.As ASA doesn't recruit foreign ATCOs now,what are chances to get job there as an ATCO if you emigrate in Australia under any other legal way? i.e . Spouse could obtain Visa,then ATCO enters as a family member than apply for job within ASA ...
3.if it works like this what are the chances to choose place for work? If spouse get job in Adelaide,is it allowed and achievable for ATCO to get job in that corner of your country/
Thanks for correct answers
1. Is there any other ATC provider except ASA in Australia, and what are conditions if such company exists?
2.As ASA doesn't recruit foreign ATCOs now,what are chances to get job there as an ATCO if you emigrate in Australia under any other legal way? i.e . Spouse could obtain Visa,then ATCO enters as a family member than apply for job within ASA ...
3.if it works like this what are the chances to choose place for work? If spouse get job in Adelaide,is it allowed and achievable for ATCO to get job in that corner of your country/
Thanks for correct answers
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SINGA,
1. ASA is the only ATC provider here (unless you count the airforce...who i very much doubt will be recruiting from overseas!)
2. I beleive it is still a possibility to be recruited from overseas straight into the company, they are just not "actively" recruiting anymore (i think the last exercise was a little expensive for them!). This may help : ATC Recruitment.
3. You will have little chance of choosing where you end up unless you are asking for Brisbane or Melbourne. I'm guessing that if you were accepted and offered a job, you might be able to specify which centre you want to go to as a condition of your acceptance. Most jobs are in those 2 cities. Either way you will be in Melbourne for a while to do some training.
Good luck!
1. ASA is the only ATC provider here (unless you count the airforce...who i very much doubt will be recruiting from overseas!)
2. I beleive it is still a possibility to be recruited from overseas straight into the company, they are just not "actively" recruiting anymore (i think the last exercise was a little expensive for them!). This may help : ATC Recruitment.
3. You will have little chance of choosing where you end up unless you are asking for Brisbane or Melbourne. I'm guessing that if you were accepted and offered a job, you might be able to specify which centre you want to go to as a condition of your acceptance. Most jobs are in those 2 cities. Either way you will be in Melbourne for a while to do some training.
Good luck!
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Thanks for the answer,
Could you confirm that both ways are absolutely possible:
-Direct entry and,
-Enter upon any other legal way and than apply for job as a resident?
Could you confirm that both ways are absolutely possible:
-Direct entry and,
-Enter upon any other legal way and than apply for job as a resident?
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I can't be definite sorry.
Direct entry should still be an option, it would be best to contact ASA recruitment and ask them though. There is no reason that they can't recruit you straight in as far as i know.
If you can get australian residency you can apply once here, no problem. I know of someone from overseas who got here first them applied for the job, and he is training at the moment....and he has no prioir ATC experience. If no one else pops up with more information i will speak to him when get back to work in a couple of days and ask him if there was any citizenship requirements to applying.
Direct entry should still be an option, it would be best to contact ASA recruitment and ask them though. There is no reason that they can't recruit you straight in as far as i know.
If you can get australian residency you can apply once here, no problem. I know of someone from overseas who got here first them applied for the job, and he is training at the moment....and he has no prioir ATC experience. If no one else pops up with more information i will speak to him when get back to work in a couple of days and ask him if there was any citizenship requirements to applying.