End Of Cabin Crew Seniority In Qf Long Haul?
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Originally Posted by DEFCON4
In answer to Willi Bs comments....if you are not happy you dont smile.
This applies to most of QF cabin crew population.
This applies to most of QF cabin crew population.
In any service industry, we are paid to smile, even if we are not happy.
Most QF cabin crew do this, even though we may feel we are not loved by management.
To say that most QF cabin crew don't smile if they are not happy implies most QF cabin crew are not suited to their jobs.
I believe most QF cabin crew forget about the politics when they are working and do the job as best as they can, sometimes with inferior resources.
It is unfortunate that some QF crew, fortunately a minority, do not make that small effort of smiling no matter what situation they are encountering onboard.
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The more you post the more it becomes obvious that you are so out of touch with the realities of LH CC that you are indeed irrelevant to any discussion regarding crew
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I find that many (not all) junior crew are unhappy and dont smile.
Most senior crew are happy and hardworking.
They realise that their time is coming to an end and they wont have have to put up with Dixon and his crew much longer.
I think you will find that was Willi B who started talking about unsmiling crew
and not me.
Your contributions to these forums are as relevant as Twiggs.
You represent a majority of ....one.
You never offer anything innovative just mindless commentary on others observations
...and of course the occassional personal dig.
You sir are a small barking dog and the wagon rolls on ...without you.
Most senior crew are happy and hardworking.
They realise that their time is coming to an end and they wont have have to put up with Dixon and his crew much longer.
I think you will find that was Willi B who started talking about unsmiling crew
and not me.
Your contributions to these forums are as relevant as Twiggs.
You represent a majority of ....one.
You never offer anything innovative just mindless commentary on others observations
...and of course the occassional personal dig.
You sir are a small barking dog and the wagon rolls on ...without you.
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Out of Touch
Customer surveys indicate it is people like Midnight 63 who are out of touch.
The reality is you need happy motivated staff who are well resourced to make positive things happen.
QF staff are neither motivated or well resourced.
As has been said they are a soft easy target.
Managers are responsible for the behaviour/performance of their workforce.
Not the other way around.
QF is definitely Animal Farm.
Animal Air certainly has a nice appropriate ring to it
The reality is you need happy motivated staff who are well resourced to make positive things happen.
QF staff are neither motivated or well resourced.
As has been said they are a soft easy target.
Managers are responsible for the behaviour/performance of their workforce.
Not the other way around.
QF is definitely Animal Farm.
Animal Air certainly has a nice appropriate ring to it
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Originally Posted by DEFCON4
The time spent at home is,on average 18 days in 56.Two more days in the same period as a 9 to 5 employee.
Using your example for a typical 4 day LAX:
Originally Posted by DEFCON4
Slip time in foreign ports is now minimal.
4 Day LAX Patterns.
Leave SYD Friday morning...13 hour flight time
Arrive LAX 0630 Local time..awake all night
Go to bed..wake up, eat and then try to get some more sleep
Leave Saturday Night....14 hour flight time.
Arrive Sydney 0630 Monday morning.
Sleep,look after the kids,say hello to your partner and start getting ready to do it again.
For many crew this is their life.
4 Day LAX Patterns.
Leave SYD Friday morning...13 hour flight time
Arrive LAX 0630 Local time..awake all night
Go to bed..wake up, eat and then try to get some more sleep
Leave Saturday Night....14 hour flight time.
Arrive Sydney 0630 Monday morning.
Sleep,look after the kids,say hello to your partner and start getting ready to do it again.
For many crew this is their life.
You made it sound like you had no time in LAX but I think in excess of 36 hours is plenty of time to recover.
Let's not let the truth get in the way of a good winge.
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Originally Posted by DEFCON4
The base pay for a 5 year FA is around $52,000 gross.
There are other components that bump this up.
Picture this ...the company forces you onto leave for 3 months on base pay.
You either go broke or get a second job.
There are other components that bump this up.
Picture this ...the company forces you onto leave for 3 months on base pay.
You either go broke or get a second job.
Anyone who relies on money beyond their guaranteed basic income to pay their debts is living beyond their means and is therefore a fool.
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Clarification...Just for Twiggs
1.3 months leave....NOT long service
2.A minimum is not exclusive of an average...18 can be both an average and a minimum.
3.The LAX example did not say anything about Minimums or Averages.
It was your idea to exemplify it as multiples.
Try not to take excerpts out of context
Try a remedial reading course.
Perhaps english is not your first language...apologies... perhaps it is.
You did not take issue with the rest of the post..thank you.
Further, our reason for being on an aircraft is SAFETY.
No where in our job description does it specify that we are paid to smile.
Try smiling when you are evacuating 300 people from a burning aircraft after a terrain impact.
We are safety professionals...first and foremost...remember that...SAFETY.
You, and management seem a little blurred about that.
I observe I do not whinge you impertinent little twit
2.A minimum is not exclusive of an average...18 can be both an average and a minimum.
3.The LAX example did not say anything about Minimums or Averages.
It was your idea to exemplify it as multiples.
Try not to take excerpts out of context
Try a remedial reading course.
Perhaps english is not your first language...apologies... perhaps it is.
You did not take issue with the rest of the post..thank you.
Further, our reason for being on an aircraft is SAFETY.
No where in our job description does it specify that we are paid to smile.
Try smiling when you are evacuating 300 people from a burning aircraft after a terrain impact.
We are safety professionals...first and foremost...remember that...SAFETY.
You, and management seem a little blurred about that.
I observe I do not whinge you impertinent little twit
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Anyone who relies on money beyond their guaranteed basic income to pay their debts is living beyond their means and is therefore a fool.
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Originally Posted by DEFCON4
1.3 months leave....NOT long service
Originally Posted by DEFCON4
2.A minimum is not exclusive of an average...18 can be both an average and a minimum.
Originally Posted by DEFCON4
3.The LAX example did not say anything about Minimums or Averages.
It was your idea to exemplify it as multiples.
It was your idea to exemplify it as multiples.
So why then can't I use your own example to disprove your spin?
Originally Posted by DEFCON4
No where in our job description does it specify that we are paid to smile.
Try smiling when you are evacuating 300 people from a burning aircraft after a terrain impact.
Try smiling when you are evacuating 300 people from a burning aircraft after a terrain impact.
Mate, if you are evacuating 300 people from a BURNING aircraft then I don't think anyone will mind if you don't smile. Funny though, don't think it's ever happened at Qantas (BURNING that is), and that is good enough reason to smile.
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DEFCON4 and others....Do not take the bait with twiggs because as with some others her only intent is to incite an argument and have the thread closed.
She did not defend cabin crew against Scottydoo or Willie B or managers perspective and only appears to start an argument with crew.This has been shown time and again.
Quote from Twiggsy
This is a thinly veiled message from the OFFICE.If you read between the lines it translates to ...
"You are paid to do a job and you are not paid to enjoy it and we do not care if you enjoy it or not"
She did not defend cabin crew against Scottydoo or Willie B or managers perspective and only appears to start an argument with crew.This has been shown time and again.
Quote from Twiggsy
In any service industry, we are paid to smile, even if we are not happy.
"You are paid to do a job and you are not paid to enjoy it and we do not care if you enjoy it or not"
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It really is sad that there are people out there that feel this way about their job.
It has been said more than once that the cheapest way to manage (operate) LH FAs is to leave them at home! No wonder they don't want any more!
Under the present cost structure you don't have to be blind freddy to know that they are a terminal race.
The choice is to get real or keep dreaming!!
It has been said more than once that the cheapest way to manage (operate) LH FAs is to leave them at home! No wonder they don't want any more!
Under the present cost structure you don't have to be blind freddy to know that they are a terminal race.
The choice is to get real or keep dreaming!!
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Funny though, don't think it's ever happened at Qantas (BURNING that is), and that is good enough reason to smile.
masquerading as management concerned with only themselves and their next bonus. I have no respect for them and as far as I'm concerned they're so low they could parachute out of a snake's backside and still have room to freefall. From triadick.........
It really is sad that there are people out there that feel this way about their job.
It has been said more than once that the cheapest way to manage (operate) LH FAs is to leave them at home!
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triadic....And I've never seen a post from any pilots talking about the company reducing their pay and conditions.
Why are you isolating cabin crew for trying to protect their conditions?
Shlonghaul is correct, we are there to act when the manure hits the turbine and a few here that seek to deny that fact are the dinosaurs.
Why are you isolating cabin crew for trying to protect their conditions?
Shlonghaul is correct, we are there to act when the manure hits the turbine and a few here that seek to deny that fact are the dinosaurs.
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Thanks for the history lesson Schlong,
Don't suppose the Connie had 300 people crammed on board requiring evac?
Anyway the whole point was, safety related incidents of this magnitude happen very infrequently at Qantas.
If DEFCON4 can't smile because he/she is waiting for something to happen every time he/she flys, he/she should seek counselling.
Don't suppose the Connie had 300 people crammed on board requiring evac?
Anyway the whole point was, safety related incidents of this magnitude happen very infrequently at Qantas.
If DEFCON4 can't smile because he/she is waiting for something to happen every time he/she flys, he/she should seek counselling.
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Shlonghaul..These people in the office never get it do they.
It does not matter whether it is 50 or 500 people.There were a lot less crew on the Connie but to them we are nothing but biscuit chuckers.
The frequency of accidents is irrelevant in fact the most recent example of a survivable accident was accident in Canada.The Cabin Crew there did a fantastic job and there was no loss of life.
Twiggsy said...If DEFCON4 can't smile because he/she is waiting for something to happen every time he/she flys, he/she should seek counselling....
Well,Twiggsy if you were crew you would know that everytime you sit in a jump seat YOU SHOULD be expecting the worst and be prepared for it.Thats what we are there for and not to serve some clowns idea of what food is.
It does not matter whether it is 50 or 500 people.There were a lot less crew on the Connie but to them we are nothing but biscuit chuckers.
The frequency of accidents is irrelevant in fact the most recent example of a survivable accident was accident in Canada.The Cabin Crew there did a fantastic job and there was no loss of life.
Twiggsy said...If DEFCON4 can't smile because he/she is waiting for something to happen every time he/she flys, he/she should seek counselling....
Well,Twiggsy if you were crew you would know that everytime you sit in a jump seat YOU SHOULD be expecting the worst and be prepared for it.Thats what we are there for and not to serve some clowns idea of what food is.
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The Usual Suspects
Twiggs et al.never have a creative thought nor are they innovative.
They simply criticize and nitpick regarding semantics or misplaced commas
What sort of idiot advocates wage reductions or is happy when someone else has their wages cut?...
Triadick...try a pussy..... it might help you
They simply criticize and nitpick regarding semantics or misplaced commas
What sort of idiot advocates wage reductions or is happy when someone else has their wages cut?...
Triadick...try a pussy..... it might help you
