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Heard a rumour (quite appropriate for pprune) that half dozen or so on the way by years end! oh yeah, mainline ops too. Short of capacity with high oil prices, go figure!
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By year's end?
That's less than 6 months away. I'm skeptical of such a number joining within such a short time frame. Unless it was a complete ACMI package, it's fair to ask how anyone would go from go-to-whoa getting a new type integrated - training techies and CC, maint, deciding configs & interiors... I think there's rather more than could be done in less than 6 months. Manufacturing lead times for things other than the airframes, if nothing else, would seem to be too tight.
One or two chartered airframes can happen and has been done before, but actually bringing 6 of a new type into the fleet... six months is awfully quick. I hope we do see long thin Rats but 6 months...
OK, let's throw it open - could it be done? How long after order did the 330s turn up?
Farnborough kicks off on Monday week (14th) - I guess we could hear something then (if it is going to happen).
One or two chartered airframes can happen and has been done before, but actually bringing 6 of a new type into the fleet... six months is awfully quick. I hope we do see long thin Rats but 6 months...
OK, let's throw it open - could it be done? How long after order did the 330s turn up?
Farnborough kicks off on Monday week (14th) - I guess we could hear something then (if it is going to happen).
Rumour is that AA have cancelled about ten 777-300 slots and QF and BA are in contention for some of them (787 compensation - seen that type of thing before). QF on a one year ramp up to get some (or all of them ), and it isn't going to be deeply pre planned.
That's all I know of the rumour. But if it's true, it's going to be messy, and staff are going to have to pull together to make it happen........Which is difficult under the current CEO.
That's all I know of the rumour. But if it's true, it's going to be messy, and staff are going to have to pull together to make it happen........Which is difficult under the current CEO.
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I heard that J* have a bunch of B777 rated pilots working there including 'check and trng' and management experience on type
Seems that if QF got hold of some 777's on short notice that J* could have them fired up and crewed in record time. Just a thought but makes sense doesn't it.
Seems that if QF got hold of some 777's on short notice that J* could have them fired up and crewed in record time. Just a thought but makes sense doesn't it.
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Rumour has it QF are interested in purchasing 4 x 777-200's from an Asian carrier
Interesting, though 200s aren't really a suitable 400 replacement...
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Again, next Monday morning would be the logical time to hear something like that.
But this is aviation so logic plays no part...
MUNT,
Might be if you're looking to trim capacity growth (especially if they're available PDQ). Better to park a fully-amortized, nearly 20-year-old 744 which, with current fares, you'd only get 80% full, and put a 10-year-old twin (if -ER) on the same runs at nearer 100% loads. You could put the same number of premium seats in the 772ER as with the 744 and just drop the numbers in Cattle; suddenly you're almost profitable again.
Again, next Monday morning would be the logical time to hear something like that.
But this is aviation so logic plays no part...
MUNT,
Might be if you're looking to trim capacity growth (especially if they're available PDQ). Better to park a fully-amortized, nearly 20-year-old 744 which, with current fares, you'd only get 80% full, and put a 10-year-old twin (if -ER) on the same runs at nearer 100% loads. You could put the same number of premium seats in the 772ER as with the 744 and just drop the numbers in Cattle; suddenly you're almost profitable again.
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Rumour has it QF are interested in purchasing 4 x 777-200's from an Asian carrier
hope you don't mind a northern hemisphere type butting in!
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No I dont mind, but a normal 200 can be converted to a 200ER without much doing? I.e needs uprated engines / landing gear / internal fuel tanks / possible mod to the FMC but a easy patch should do the trick and get cert by Boeing
Easy way to get 777's in the fleet, by buying second hand aircraft and jump the que while waiting for new ones?
Secondly, how many 743's were operating domestic? Oooops, have I spilt the beans, bugger!
Easy way to get 777's in the fleet, by buying second hand aircraft and jump the que while waiting for new ones?
Secondly, how many 743's were operating domestic? Oooops, have I spilt the beans, bugger!
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"Those China Southern A/C are 'A' market airframes therefore no CWT. That limits their range somewhat. So as already stated not an ideal 744 replacement."
Actually they would be a perfect replacement for the old classics on the MEL-PER-SYD run...........however I can't see QF getting 777s.
Actually they would be a perfect replacement for the old classics on the MEL-PER-SYD run...........however I can't see QF getting 777s.
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QF has a 772a in the form of the a333.
The 330 is perfect for perth, new aircraft, international product and a capacity reduction.
The 777 would be most useful in replacing the older 400s on the longer sectors, i.e. FRA and JNB. But 200s, particularly As, wouldn't really be a suitable alternative. Perhaps the 200ER or LR at off-peak periods. Loads for the moment are in excess of a 200s capacity. 300s on the other hand, are a different story altogether. Then again, i'm not paid to know...
The 330 is perfect for perth, new aircraft, international product and a capacity reduction.
The 777 would be most useful in replacing the older 400s on the longer sectors, i.e. FRA and JNB. But 200s, particularly As, wouldn't really be a suitable alternative. Perhaps the 200ER or LR at off-peak periods. Loads for the moment are in excess of a 200s capacity. 300s on the other hand, are a different story altogether. Then again, i'm not paid to know...