Merged: QF 777s and other rumours

[Taildragger67]

and from lessors such as ILFC

"such as", not 'only'. So that net could include GECAS, etc.

[Jabawocky]

So what is your point Taildragger?

I too can read that and understand it, however I thought that given the report should have said "such as GECAS" instead, as it appears they are the only ones with capacity to supply, I would help clear it up a little.

If you were GECAS you would be expecting to make a nice profit from those orders!

J

[Skystar320]

Taildragger - I cant understand your point made

[Short_Circuit]

Qantas moves towards Boeing 777-300ER order

Geoffrey Thomas | August 29, 2008
The Australian News Paper

QANTAS is understood to be moving towards an order for Boeing's 365-seat 777-300ER, as the US manufacturer pulls out all stops to thwart an order for the rival A350-1000.
The Australian understands that the order, if ratified by the airline's board, would be for 15 aircraft with deliveries as early as 2011.
Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon yesterday confirmed the airline's interest in the 777-300ER.
Qantas has been pressing Boeing for some time for improvements to the 777-300ER and, according to Emirates president Tim Clark, Boeing has a package in hand.

And the penny drops for Geoff, albeit 5 years too late!

[mrpaxing]

GD has been

put out to pasture. he is only aloud to speak on certain subjects and with prior approval of LC. not only will QF get the 777's there are also other major initiatives in the pipeline. the big move will come when GD leaves in november.

[Keg]

....there are also other major initiatives in the pipeline.

You can do better than that mrpaxing. This is a rumour network after all!

[Skystar320]

apparently they are looking to a controling stake in a US carrier

[B772]

Skystar 320. The US market is possibly the most regulated in the World, and extends to the ownership structure.

A number of years ago United requested and were granted pure domestic traffic rights in Aust and a number of passengers were carried before QF complained about the lack of reciprical rights. United then ceased carrying pure domestic traffic.

[Taildragger67]

Jaba and S320,

My point was that it doesn't have to be ILFC.

IIRC (can't be a'ed going back over the posts), the article mentioned the possibility of 'protected' slots and being able to get some 'frames from a lessor "such as" ILFC. Jaba then said that ILFC don't have any unallocated in that time frame, but GE do. So I simply pointed out that the article said "such as" ILFC.

I'm not point-scoring, just saying that it could be any lessor. I do agree 100% that it would've been clearer if GECAS had got the mention and I do wonder if the ILFC mention was therefore deliberate. And I agree that GECAS would want appropriate coin to supply the airframes but maybe that's what Boeing has to do by way of compensation, to stop QF going for A350s.

Also, though, I suspect that Boeing would move H&E to get QF into the Tripler and would find some slots, eg. by upping production by a touch or finding some cash-strapped carrier(s) willing to defer deliveries. None come straight to mind but I'm sure there are some out there.

[Frank Burden]

I have given Qantas buying into a US airline some thought. Maybe they could form the association of ancient aircraft operators.

I have been on four Qantas domestic flights recently with one flight being a B767 older than Moses. Two flights with delays of more than an hour and three with IFE issues. The late departure about two weeks ago meant getting away after 6pm and arrival at 8pm. The 'snack' would have cost about $0.20 each. About 10 small pretzels, 15 rice snack bits, and a cookie of unknown origin about the size of a 20 cent piece but much thinner. All so tantalislingly tasty with everyone on the flight running for the food concessions on arrival.

Any truth in the rumour that Qantas is diversifying into food concession stalls adjacent to its gates?

[mrpaxing]

what the

a rather large challenge in the making. one can imagine running the regulatory gauntlet in trying to merge BA/QF/AA

[excellr8]

What, so boeing will put a bigger TV screen in the cockpit with a couple of minor airframe mod's and then we have a " new generation " aircraft. That's good cause we don't want old technology. The amount of face saving is on this one will be massive, never mind about the true cost of delaying this inevitable decision, meanwhile the market still believes this management team is the bee's knee's.

Hopefully Clifford over time can restore some true oversight on the Q business.

[DUXNUTZ]

QF 777 - Interesting

Qantas evaluating Boeing 777-300ER

[Skystar320]

There is a huge thread on this somewhere.......

[packrat]

See

Qantas 777 and other rumours...this forum ...30th August

[aardvark144]

QF777 and other rumours

I see the rumours once again have died in the ar*e. Any further news? When is the next board meeting?

[Wingspar]

Not to be specific but,

any time soon...

in the fullness of time...

at the appropriate juncture in time...

the cake has almost baked on this one...


but hopefully the sun hasn't set with this rumour!

[Skystar320]

I heard they ordered a mixture of A340-300 & -600's?

[denabol]

Meanwhile, mayhem breaks out

So far today ILFC has been nationalised by the US Government as part of the AIG bailout, Macquarie Bank is down to around $28, Babcrook and Bloody Crook were at 75 cents and in free fall, and oil last time I looked was dropping but not as quickly as passenger numbers. QAN down 18 cents and VBA down at least 5 cents.

Somehow it could be a big risky ask, try saying that slowly, for a board to vote to buy lunch. Qantas needed those jets badly. Needed. I don't have the gift of seeing the future so clearly I can make a killing on the ASX but I know a really bad storm when I see one coming.

[Sunstar320]

So is there a DATE when they are going to tell us when and what??

Are we talking days or years here?