Merged: QF 777s and other rumours
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Merged: QF 777s and other rumours
Strong rumours starting to swell about QF finally getting with the program and ordering the 777. The rumouree didn't suggest a time frame but other's line of thinking indicates a relative hurry- by early to mid next year seems to be the common consensus although some have them arriving towards the end of this year (hence the late closures of the aircraft promotional bids but this doesn't sound right to me!). ILFC is said to be the source of the airframes and seven to ten is the approximate number.
Classics to be held onto despite the 777s coming although that could change on a moments notice.
Reports of up to 85 S/Os wanted in a hurry but only 35 'approved' (by whom I have no idea) at the moment.
5 737NGs currently on order to be expansion rather than replacement for the -400s.
Source is a mate who heard his wife discussing it with the wife of his uncle's brother in law who heard it mentioned on some other forum!
Beyond that I accept no responsibility for the accuracy of the above information. None of it is from my normal sources and most QF drivers will have heard minor variations on the theme over the last month or so.
Classics to be held onto despite the 777s coming although that could change on a moments notice.
Reports of up to 85 S/Os wanted in a hurry but only 35 'approved' (by whom I have no idea) at the moment.
5 737NGs currently on order to be expansion rather than replacement for the -400s.
Source is a mate who heard his wife discussing it with the wife of his uncle's brother in law who heard it mentioned on some other forum!
Beyond that I accept no responsibility for the accuracy of the above information. None of it is from my normal sources and most QF drivers will have heard minor variations on the theme over the last month or so.
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Cheers Mr Keg
Once again you've outdone yourself and I've enjoyed reading your post.
My letter (from QF) says 'There may be an opportunity for your file to progress in November 2007'....
Hopefully see you there soon bud
2p2d
Once again you've outdone yourself and I've enjoyed reading your post.
My letter (from QF) says 'There may be an opportunity for your file to progress in November 2007'....
Hopefully see you there soon bud
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I thought all the production slots for the 777 were taken or did QF buy some from another airline?
Or are we rumoured to be leasing existing aircraft from someone?
Or are we rumoured to be leasing existing aircraft from someone?
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There are 32 unidentified orders this year for 777 (10 of which appear to be quite recently added).
As for leasing firms:
ILFC have 10 x 777-300ER still to be delivered
GECC have 18 x 777 undelivered
My point: I suggest up to 10 airframes could be secured at reasonably short notice.
But... if the end-of-year schedule is correct - isn't this a bit tight in terms of fleet integration? - Not only for crew training (both tech and CC) but engineering (such as is left
), flight ops, manual-writing, etc.; unless they're coming in on wet-lease?
As for leasing firms:
ILFC have 10 x 777-300ER still to be delivered
GECC have 18 x 777 undelivered
My point: I suggest up to 10 airframes could be secured at reasonably short notice.
But... if the end-of-year schedule is correct - isn't this a bit tight in terms of fleet integration? - Not only for crew training (both tech and CC) but engineering (such as is left
), flight ops, manual-writing, etc.; unless they're coming in on wet-lease?
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Keg, it's not a rumour.
In Geoff Dixon's recent address to investors ( can still be heard via podcast ) he quite openly said that he was meeting with Airbus that afternoon to discuss the A350XWB and the following week Greig was to meet with Boeing to discuss their proposal. The Boeing competitor is the 777-300ER.
In Geoff Dixon's recent address to investors ( can still be heard via podcast ) he quite openly said that he was meeting with Airbus that afternoon to discuss the A350XWB and the following week Greig was to meet with Boeing to discuss their proposal. The Boeing competitor is the 777-300ER.
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Surely with the big 787 order, the A350 couldn't be on the cards???
B777-300ER however is another matter - the aircraft is already in service, could be brought in at (relatively) short notice and has significant additional capacity over the 787s. Perfect 743 replacement (indeed also 744) in fact.
I must say (from a pax point of view here, I might add) I generally prefer the Airbus products, but in this case, I don't see them having much chance. But hey, when was anything cut and dry in aviation?
B777-300ER however is another matter - the aircraft is already in service, could be brought in at (relatively) short notice and has significant additional capacity over the 787s. Perfect 743 replacement (indeed also 744) in fact.
I must say (from a pax point of view here, I might add) I generally prefer the Airbus products, but in this case, I don't see them having much chance. But hey, when was anything cut and dry in aviation?
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When you look at the cost saving benefits when comparing the 777 and the 747-400 its a no brainer. Uses almost half the fuel (not quite) but can carry around 70% the pax. This latest rumour seems to be more serious than the last 57 ones that have come before! haha!
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747 Classics - Gooooone by early 2008
777 great idea and I for one would like to see it but there is no way engineering would support an introduction of a new type of this size at the moment. The training and tooling component alone combined with the introduction of the A380 would stretch what is left of the maintenace dept.
As it is the QF heirarchy is threatening to take the A380 maint away from QF engineering
777 great idea and I for one would like to see it but there is no way engineering would support an introduction of a new type of this size at the moment. The training and tooling component alone combined with the introduction of the A380 would stretch what is left of the maintenace dept.
As it is the QF heirarchy is threatening to take the A380 maint away from QF engineering
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That negative assumption about sums up the difference between working for an OZ airline or one of their overseas competitors. If management properly rewarded their staff (motivation) and staff believed in their own abilities (capability). Then I am sure Qantas could give this a good crack.
The Australian regulators are another matter.
I for one would like to see it but there is no way engineering would support an introduction of a new type of this size at the moment
That negative assumption about sums up the difference between working for an OZ airline or one of their overseas competitors. If management properly rewarded their staff (motivation) and staff believed in their own abilities (capability). Then I am sure Qantas could give this a good crack.
The Australian regulators are another matter.
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Keg
Received a briefing from engineering QS&RM (Quality Systems & Risk Management) around compliance and procedures amongst other things for LAME's recently.
One of the presenters is actively involved in A/C acquisitions and disposals from a QA perspective and he repeatedly stated that QF are getting B777's "soon".
No mention of how many and wasn't prepared to elaborate.
One of the presenters is actively involved in A/C acquisitions and disposals from a QA perspective and he repeatedly stated that QF are getting B777's "soon".
No mention of how many and wasn't prepared to elaborate.
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Boys and girls
i just saw a good rumor written on the inside a brasco at qcc.it reckons that GD has made an offer for all the old concordes and a stack of 1011's sitting out in the desert.then the taxi driver on the way to cronulla confirmed this because he knows someone who works in catering who's sister in law has a relative who works in GD's office.
i just saw a good rumor written on the inside a brasco at qcc.it reckons that GD has made an offer for all the old concordes and a stack of 1011's sitting out in the desert.then the taxi driver on the way to cronulla confirmed this because he knows someone who works in catering who's sister in law has a relative who works in GD's office.
perhaps no need to worry about CC training or pax configuration ???