Merged: QF 777s and other rumours
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A training person with the initials JB ? is he the one who claims the 737-400 and 300 sims are exact working replicas of the aeroplane, and if you think otherwise, its because you havent been trained in simulator fidelity?
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I have no problem in accepting the fact QF may be in the market for B777. If the rumour is true, great. I just don’t take a rumour as fact until I have seen the hard evidence. I haven’t seen any yet but if/when I do I will change my opinion. The fact at the moment is that QF is probably one of the airlines that are pressuring Boeing to increase the production rate of the B777 line and Boeing have publically stated that they won’t be. As someone else has pointed out there are a few ILFC B777 that haven’t yet been placed. Maybe QF can pressure Boeing into paying for the leases for these spare aircraft. No doubt these aircraft, if they exist (I have no idea if they do), would be going for a premium rate.
Bad Hat Harry
Oh boy. I have a bit of a light hearted debate here and you go flying off the handle. Look who the tosser is now. People who resort to these kinds of personal attacks usually are incapable of an intelligent debate in the first place.
I have no problem in accepting the fact QF may be in the market for B777. If the rumour is true, great. I just don’t take a rumour as fact until I have seen the hard evidence. I haven’t seen any yet but if/when I do I will change my opinion. The fact at the moment is that QF is probably one of the airlines that are pressuring Boeing to increase the production rate of the B777 line and Boeing have publically stated that they won’t be. As someone else has pointed out there are a few ILFC B777 that haven’t yet been placed. Maybe QF can pressure Boeing into paying for the leases for these spare aircraft. No doubt these aircraft, if they exist (I have no idea if they do), would be going for a premium rate.
Bad Hat Harry
Oh boy. I have a bit of a light hearted debate here and you go flying off the handle. Look who the tosser is now. People who resort to these kinds of personal attacks usually are incapable of an intelligent debate in the first place.
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ACMS,
Qantas ordered their 787s before BA, hence it's probably reasonable to assume that Qantas would get priority in the 777-as-compo pecking order (especially as QF is the biggest Dreamliner customer to date). If they've been offered to BA, I suggest it's safe to assume that Jim's already been chatting to Geoff.
And the conspiracy theorist in me says that as Boeing has become increasingly aware of problems on the 787 line, they have kept a few places on the 777 line up their corporate sleeve as a contingency. So we should not be too surprised to see some rabbits being pulled from hats.
Qantas ordered their 787s before BA, hence it's probably reasonable to assume that Qantas would get priority in the 777-as-compo pecking order (especially as QF is the biggest Dreamliner customer to date). If they've been offered to BA, I suggest it's safe to assume that Jim's already been chatting to Geoff.
And the conspiracy theorist in me says that as Boeing has become increasingly aware of problems on the 787 line, they have kept a few places on the 777 line up their corporate sleeve as a contingency. So we should not be too surprised to see some rabbits being pulled from hats.
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Dixon has said recently, that in hind sight it would be good to have the 777 in the fleet. If they had ordered them 5 years ago, they wouldn't be left scrathing their heads now about how to replace the 747-400's which burn more fuel than the 777. Of course the 777 doesn't carry the same number of pax, but it is pretty close to what QF use on their Pacific config 747-400's.
To me the whole will we/won't we on the B777 at QF is short term management at it's finest. Not only does the 777 has the capacity to cover existing routes, but over the last 5 years we could have expanded the QF network again. A lot of other airlines MH, TG, SQ and CX all operate 3 or 4 times a week to ports QF says are impossible to make money on with this type of frequency. These airlines all use 777's on these routes, and they have been for years. Either these airlines like to bleed cash, or a 777 contributes to making the economies of these routes sustainable.
To me the whole will we/won't we on the B777 at QF is short term management at it's finest. Not only does the 777 has the capacity to cover existing routes, but over the last 5 years we could have expanded the QF network again. A lot of other airlines MH, TG, SQ and CX all operate 3 or 4 times a week to ports QF says are impossible to make money on with this type of frequency. These airlines all use 777's on these routes, and they have been for years. Either these airlines like to bleed cash, or a 777 contributes to making the economies of these routes sustainable.
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"Dixon has said recently, that in hind sight it would be good to have the 777 in the fleet."
Stevie Wonder could have seen that 5 years ago. Why couldn't the "Brain Surgeons" running this outfit?
"Dixon has said recently, that in hind sight it would be good to have the 777 in the fleet."
Stevie Wonder could have seen that 5 years ago. Why couldn't the "Brain Surgeons" running this outfit?
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"Why couldn't the "Brain Surgeons" running this outfit?"
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Why would the lowlife who currently run this once proud airline care what shape it is in, 5 years out ??
They are only here for the short term and their bonuses are paid annually.
"Why couldn't the "Brain Surgeons" running this outfit?"
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Why would the lowlife who currently run this once proud airline care what shape it is in, 5 years out ??
They are only here for the short term and their bonuses are paid annually.
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Drshmoo,
Given Teflon Geoff is on the way out (though not as quick as some would like), you're right - his horizon is only as far as his next bonus or the severance payout.
And the competition to take over as Top Sea-nut means that all of the second layer are trying to make their numbers look as good as possible, therefore cutting everything that can't run faster than them. You could rename the puddy tats in that shot 'Greggsie' and 'Borgho' in that respect (with the winner to take on Al, the dreaded ginger tom from south of the border).
So it ain't going to improve in the short term.
Now one thing Boeing would really like to see would be the Rat taking some 747-8s as part of the compensation package...
Given Teflon Geoff is on the way out (though not as quick as some would like), you're right - his horizon is only as far as his next bonus or the severance payout.
And the competition to take over as Top Sea-nut means that all of the second layer are trying to make their numbers look as good as possible, therefore cutting everything that can't run faster than them. You could rename the puddy tats in that shot 'Greggsie' and 'Borgho' in that respect (with the winner to take on Al, the dreaded ginger tom from south of the border).
So it ain't going to improve in the short term.
Now one thing Boeing would really like to see would be the Rat taking some 747-8s as part of the compensation package...
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Speaking of rumours, any ideas?
A planned Australian start-up, as yet unnamed, is preparing to commence passenger and cargo services in Nov-08, using E-170, E-190, ATR-72 and A300F aircraft, as revealed exclusively on peanuts.aero.
The airline, currently based in Melbourne, will launch service with four E-190s, followed by one E-170, and plans an extensive network covering Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Canberra, Adelaide, Hobart and the Gold Coast. While slot allocation has been granted at all destinations, the airline will progressively launch its network, with an initial focus on Sydney, Gold Coast and Melbourne.
The airline stated it plans to deliver a standard of domestic air travel “never experienced before in Australia. And all this on a low fare basis, including complimentary meals and drinks”. The “value for money” , “service-based” approach will see the airline position itself between Qantas and Virgin Blue in the domestic market.
The start-up was registered on 10-Oct-06 as an Australian company, and has investment partners in Germany.
As previously revealed by peanuts.aero, Lion Air, Indonesia’s most successful new entrant airline, plans to commence Australian operations later this year using a six aircraft fleet of extended range B737-900ERs. Lion will hold 49% of the new company, which is to be 51% owned by Australian charter operator, SkyAirWorld.
Initially, Lion Air Australia is looking at international routes, to Indonesia and Southeast Asia, and is considering operating "some" domestic routes, according to SkyAirWorld CEO, David Charlton.
SkyAirWorld was the first operator in Australia to introduce the Embraer-170 jet last year.
A planned Australian start-up, as yet unnamed, is preparing to commence passenger and cargo services in Nov-08, using E-170, E-190, ATR-72 and A300F aircraft, as revealed exclusively on peanuts.aero.
The airline, currently based in Melbourne, will launch service with four E-190s, followed by one E-170, and plans an extensive network covering Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Canberra, Adelaide, Hobart and the Gold Coast. While slot allocation has been granted at all destinations, the airline will progressively launch its network, with an initial focus on Sydney, Gold Coast and Melbourne.
The airline stated it plans to deliver a standard of domestic air travel “never experienced before in Australia. And all this on a low fare basis, including complimentary meals and drinks”. The “value for money” , “service-based” approach will see the airline position itself between Qantas and Virgin Blue in the domestic market.
The start-up was registered on 10-Oct-06 as an Australian company, and has investment partners in Germany.
As previously revealed by peanuts.aero, Lion Air, Indonesia’s most successful new entrant airline, plans to commence Australian operations later this year using a six aircraft fleet of extended range B737-900ERs. Lion will hold 49% of the new company, which is to be 51% owned by Australian charter operator, SkyAirWorld.
Initially, Lion Air Australia is looking at international routes, to Indonesia and Southeast Asia, and is considering operating "some" domestic routes, according to SkyAirWorld CEO, David Charlton.
SkyAirWorld was the first operator in Australia to introduce the Embraer-170 jet last year.
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Any thoughts?
A planned Australian start-up, as yet unnamed, is preparing to commence passenger and cargo services in Nov-08, using E-170, E-190, ATR-72 and A300F aircraft, as revealed exclusively on peanuts.aero.
The airline, currently based in Melbourne, will launch service with four E-190s, followed by one E-170, and plans an extensive network covering Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Canberra, Adelaide, Hobart and the Gold Coast. While slot allocation has been granted at all destinations, the airline will progressively launch its network, with an initial focus on Sydney, Gold Coast and Melbourne.
The airline stated it plans to deliver a standard of domestic air travel “never experienced before in Australia. And all this on a low fare basis, including complimentary meals and drinks”. The “value for money” , “service-based” approach will see the airline position itself between Qantas and Virgin Blue in the domestic market.
The start-up was registered on 10-Oct-06 as an Australian company, and has investment partners in Germany.
As previously revealed by peanuts.aero, Lion Air, Indonesia’s most successful new entrant airline, plans to commence Australian operations later this year using a six aircraft fleet of extended range B737-900ERs. Lion will hold 49% of the new company, which is to be 51% owned by Australian charter operator, SkyAirWorld.
Initially, Lion Air Australia is looking at international routes, to Indonesia and Southeast Asia, and is considering operating "some" domestic routes, according to SkyAirWorld CEO, David Charlton.
SkyAirWorld was the first operator in Australia to introduce the Embraer-170 jet last year.
A planned Australian start-up, as yet unnamed, is preparing to commence passenger and cargo services in Nov-08, using E-170, E-190, ATR-72 and A300F aircraft, as revealed exclusively on peanuts.aero.
The airline, currently based in Melbourne, will launch service with four E-190s, followed by one E-170, and plans an extensive network covering Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Canberra, Adelaide, Hobart and the Gold Coast. While slot allocation has been granted at all destinations, the airline will progressively launch its network, with an initial focus on Sydney, Gold Coast and Melbourne.
The airline stated it plans to deliver a standard of domestic air travel “never experienced before in Australia. And all this on a low fare basis, including complimentary meals and drinks”. The “value for money” , “service-based” approach will see the airline position itself between Qantas and Virgin Blue in the domestic market.
The start-up was registered on 10-Oct-06 as an Australian company, and has investment partners in Germany.
As previously revealed by peanuts.aero, Lion Air, Indonesia’s most successful new entrant airline, plans to commence Australian operations later this year using a six aircraft fleet of extended range B737-900ERs. Lion will hold 49% of the new company, which is to be 51% owned by Australian charter operator, SkyAirWorld.
Initially, Lion Air Australia is looking at international routes, to Indonesia and Southeast Asia, and is considering operating "some" domestic routes, according to SkyAirWorld CEO, David Charlton.
SkyAirWorld was the first operator in Australia to introduce the Embraer-170 jet last year.
Forward CofG
Great stirring but re-read post #124. 
Wod
Yes, Boeing is designing the B787 flightdeck to be a seamless transition for B777 rated pilots despite the fact that the systems will be significantly different (ie electric). The way that a Boeing salesman explained it to me indicated that they hope to get the FAA, JAA, etc to agree to a single type rating ie more than just CCQ. 
If the 777 order is assured, when do Jet* get them?
Wod
Would a 777 endorsement fast track you to the 787?
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Different JB Knurled Knob. The one I'm talking about is involved in 737 training management. I think you're refering to the much loftier JB who has his eyes on Dixon's job.