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From ATW Online
Wednesday June 18, 2008
Qantas's interest in the 777-300ER as a partial replacement for its 747-400 fleet is growing, Australian media are reporting. QF has 20 A380s on order for key routes such as Los Angeles and London Heathrow, but flights to destinations such as Tokyo Narita, San Francisco, Johannesburg and Frankfurt will not justify the A380, at least initially. CEO Geoff Dixon last week acknowledged to media that he would like the 777-300ER "right now" in order to combat fuel prices.
Qantas has come close on a number of occasions to ordering the 777, first the -200ER in the late 1990s and more recently the -200LR. Now the -300ER is flavor of the month. It has been searching the lease market for some time but the price for -300ERs has soared recently while availability has contracted. Boeing is under pressure to up the production rate from the current seven a month and the delay in the 787--for which QF is the largest airline customer--is adding to that pressure. It currently holds options on 40 787s and observers are suggesting it may convert up to 20 of those to 777-300ERs.
Qantas's interest in the 777-300ER as a partial replacement for its 747-400 fleet is growing, Australian media are reporting. QF has 20 A380s on order for key routes such as Los Angeles and London Heathrow, but flights to destinations such as Tokyo Narita, San Francisco, Johannesburg and Frankfurt will not justify the A380, at least initially. CEO Geoff Dixon last week acknowledged to media that he would like the 777-300ER "right now" in order to combat fuel prices.
Qantas has come close on a number of occasions to ordering the 777, first the -200ER in the late 1990s and more recently the -200LR. Now the -300ER is flavor of the month. It has been searching the lease market for some time but the price for -300ERs has soared recently while availability has contracted. Boeing is under pressure to up the production rate from the current seven a month and the delay in the 787--for which QF is the largest airline customer--is adding to that pressure. It currently holds options on 40 787s and observers are suggesting it may convert up to 20 of those to 777-300ERs.
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QF22,
yes, never a decision made by QF senior management that doesn't have their own yearly bonuses as the overriding concern.
777s should have been bought 10 years ago.
Hindsight?
Bullsh!t.
Blind Freddy could see it.
Every single penny pinching cluster f#@k these clowns are responsible for comes back to bite them tenfold on the arse.
The ONLY ones held accountable for anything in this company are the operation staff who keep it running.
How were management described on one of the Lame's threads????
Assclowns.
Perfect.
yes, never a decision made by QF senior management that doesn't have their own yearly bonuses as the overriding concern.
777s should have been bought 10 years ago.
Hindsight?
Bullsh!t.
Blind Freddy could see it.
Every single penny pinching cluster f#@k these clowns are responsible for comes back to bite them tenfold on the arse.
The ONLY ones held accountable for anything in this company are the operation staff who keep it running.
How were management described on one of the Lame's threads????
Assclowns.
Perfect.
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Every single penny pinching cluster f#@k these clowns are responsible for comes back to bite them tenfold on the arse.
Every single penny pinching cluster f#@k these clowns are responsible for comes back to bite shareholders/passengers/staff tenfold on the arse.
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Triplers
Availability of these birds is a little limited at present.
Any that are or become available are attracting a premium price
Dixon would rather buy a clapped out airbus for $X than buy a tripler for $1.5X
Any that are or become available are attracting a premium price
Dixon would rather buy a clapped out airbus for $X than buy a tripler for $1.5X
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Where will the airframes come from?
LONDON (Thomson Financial) - Airbus and Boeing Co are in almost daily talks
with airlines seeking to cancel or defer deliveries, the Wall Street Journal
quoted unnamed officials at the planemakers as saying, adding that up to a third of new orders could be shelved.
Steven Udvar-Hazy, chairman of aircraft-leasing giant International Lease
Finance Corp, told the newspaper he believes 25 to 30 percent of their combined order books could be subject to what he called the "flake-out factor" if oil prices continue their sharp rise.
The rival manufacturing giants have collected orders for almost 7,000 jets.
For now, both say they are sold out for much of the next three years and are
continuing with plans to raise production rates to meet demand.
But large-scale cancellations and deferrals could amount to tens of billions
of dollars and affect suppliers of engines and other parts in addition to the
jet makers, the newspaper noted.
[email protected]
jms
with airlines seeking to cancel or defer deliveries, the Wall Street Journal
quoted unnamed officials at the planemakers as saying, adding that up to a third of new orders could be shelved.
Steven Udvar-Hazy, chairman of aircraft-leasing giant International Lease
Finance Corp, told the newspaper he believes 25 to 30 percent of their combined order books could be subject to what he called the "flake-out factor" if oil prices continue their sharp rise.
The rival manufacturing giants have collected orders for almost 7,000 jets.
For now, both say they are sold out for much of the next three years and are
continuing with plans to raise production rates to meet demand.
But large-scale cancellations and deferrals could amount to tens of billions
of dollars and affect suppliers of engines and other parts in addition to the
jet makers, the newspaper noted.
[email protected]
jms
I think you missed the detail of the article which mentioned that they were mainly all narrow body aircraft that stand to be cancelled or delayed.
B772ER or B773ER are still very hard to come by and attract very high lease premium.
B772ER or B773ER are still very hard to come by and attract very high lease premium.
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If anyone knew who had ordered them, they would not be unidentified.
As a guess, I have read on some other forums that Jet Airways (India) has some long range routes that are seriously under performing. They have a big order for 777-300ERs, and I wonder if these might be the planes that Boeing are offering to Qantas and BA.
As a guess, I have read on some other forums that Jet Airways (India) has some long range routes that are seriously under performing. They have a big order for 777-300ERs, and I wonder if these might be the planes that Boeing are offering to Qantas and BA.
Alan, I posed that question because often an employee has inside information that the airline and Boeing have not officially made public.
Max, the board meeting was more than a week ago and there has been no decision passed down to the departments that would be directly involved. It appears that the decision may have been deferred which seems strange considering how capacity constrained QF are.
Max, the board meeting was more than a week ago and there has been no decision passed down to the departments that would be directly involved. It appears that the decision may have been deferred which seems strange considering how capacity constrained QF are.
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Would it be fair to say that BA and QF have been offered the same batch of 777-300s, and from reading the BA thread on pprune, it looks as though BA is bit closer to going ahead.