CC Career Progression into QF Short Haul - News?
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Funny isn't it...if you have applied for VR and did not get your application in by the allocated time you missed out.Additionally,if you decided to try and change your decision and remove your application after the deadline it was denied.
If it is the other way round the deadline is only a vague concept which can be altered at will.....
If it is the other way round the deadline is only a vague concept which can be altered at will.....
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Should be good news for the QF Short Haul crew in PER...according to the FAAA...
"Base Transfers / Short Haul Cairns Base Start Up
On 26 June 2007 the Association met with the Company to discuss the possibility of further base transfers from Perth arising from the start up of a new Cairns base.
By way of back ground, as part of “suitable alternative employment arrangements” Australian Airlines crew were able to also express an interest for Perth, Melbourne and Sydney.
The Association obviously supports alternate employment as apposed to possible redundancies but also needed to consider the transfer list from the base of Perth. As such, we proposed to the Company that for each AO crew member offered Sydney or Melbourne one person to be transferred from Perth to the East Coast.
The Company has written to the Association accepting our proposal.
Therefore, the Association is pleased to advise of our in principle agreement with Qantas on this matter.
Details of how many transfers from the base of Perth to the East Coast will need to be finalised with the Company.
We will of cause keep you informed on this important matter. In particular, the numbers and time frame of Perth base transfers."
On 26 June 2007 the Association met with the Company to discuss the possibility of further base transfers from Perth arising from the start up of a new Cairns base.
By way of back ground, as part of “suitable alternative employment arrangements” Australian Airlines crew were able to also express an interest for Perth, Melbourne and Sydney.
The Association obviously supports alternate employment as apposed to possible redundancies but also needed to consider the transfer list from the base of Perth. As such, we proposed to the Company that for each AO crew member offered Sydney or Melbourne one person to be transferred from Perth to the East Coast.
The Company has written to the Association accepting our proposal.
Therefore, the Association is pleased to advise of our in principle agreement with Qantas on this matter.
Details of how many transfers from the base of Perth to the East Coast will need to be finalised with the Company.
We will of cause keep you informed on this important matter. In particular, the numbers and time frame of Perth base transfers."
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QF have also advised that AO CSM's will not be accepted direct entry to LHR as CSM. They will have to apply once in LHR base.
Good new for PER crew who were wanting to go back to east coast. Hope existing crew in these bases welcome all AO crew into the network with a smile.
Good new for PER crew who were wanting to go back to east coast. Hope existing crew in these bases welcome all AO crew into the network with a smile.
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Glad to see some movement finally on the base transfers.... although, I think it is a dissapointing outcome for those who have been waiting years to transfer out of Perth. Does anyone else find this puzzling?
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Disappointing in what way? They are allowing for crew in PER base to move.
Went to a SH FAAA meeting today and they fought for the crew on transfer lists to get some movement with all that is happening with our base allocations at AO.
You should be happy!
Went to a SH FAAA meeting today and they fought for the crew on transfer lists to get some movement with all that is happening with our base allocations at AO.
You should be happy!
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There are alot of people in PER waiting for transfer who have been on the list for several years. Not all of them are going to get their transfer. That is what I find puzzling.
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But you're never going to clear the base transfer list all at once, no matter what base you're in, or what base you want to go into.
Given that the FAAA have managed to get a 1:1 swap (1 AO transfer = 1 QF transfer also), I'd say that was fair under the circumstances.
Given that the FAAA have managed to get a 1:1 swap (1 AO transfer = 1 QF transfer also), I'd say that was fair under the circumstances.
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This is exactly what the company wants.......a divided workforce.
You have to hand it to them,on one hand you have crew that have bided their time and have had their names on the transfer list for years.
Then you have AO crew that are all of a sudden given a spot that other crew have waited for.
Now,this is not having a go at AO crew as they are only doing what is offered to them and they are happy to have a job.
AO crew are happy with this but I imagine not some existing S/H crew and this will filter through.
However,what was to stop the company allowing the transfers from Perth to go ahead and then tell AO crew they can go to Perth if they want to fly S/H and they didn't get a slot in Cairns.
The way this has been done promotes friction and thats exactly what the company wants.
The last thing Darth wants is a happy and unified workforce.
You have to hand it to them,on one hand you have crew that have bided their time and have had their names on the transfer list for years.
Then you have AO crew that are all of a sudden given a spot that other crew have waited for.
Now,this is not having a go at AO crew as they are only doing what is offered to them and they are happy to have a job.
AO crew are happy with this but I imagine not some existing S/H crew and this will filter through.
However,what was to stop the company allowing the transfers from Perth to go ahead and then tell AO crew they can go to Perth if they want to fly S/H and they didn't get a slot in Cairns.
The way this has been done promotes friction and thats exactly what the company wants.
The last thing Darth wants is a happy and unified workforce.
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I am going to reserve my judgement until I hear some numbers for transfers out of Perth. However the EBA States:
76.3.2 Should a base vacancy become available for a Flight Attendant such vacancies shall be given priority over trainees from Initial Training Courses.
Australian Airlines crew are being regarded as initial training courses.
Does anyone know the numbers going to Sydney and Melbourne. How many people got Perth?
76.3.2 Should a base vacancy become available for a Flight Attendant such vacancies shall be given priority over trainees from Initial Training Courses.
Australian Airlines crew are being regarded as initial training courses.
Does anyone know the numbers going to Sydney and Melbourne. How many people got Perth?
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Of course, this logic is extended to the use of MAM casuals around the network.
The recruitment of casuals has been occurring to the detriment of transfers for a long time.
Unfortunately, playing the blame game doesn't help anyone.
Back on track...
The recruitment of casuals has been occurring to the detriment of transfers for a long time.
Unfortunately, playing the blame game doesn't help anyone.
Back on track...
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As the EBA covers permanent short haul cabin crew it doesnt extend to casuals the interpretation is for initial training courses of permanent crew covered by the short haul EBA 7. Which in this case is former Australian Airlines crew starting as initial cabin crew covered by this EBA.
Dont get me wrong this is an excellent outcome better then what was expected. Having read all the information on this issue and following it closely I certainly didnt expect this outcome.
I am now hoping more then a handful of former Australian Airlines crew were offered Sydney and Melbourne so the Perth crew on the transfer list can see some "significant" movement as apposed to the "limited" number earlier in the week.
Dont get me wrong this is an excellent outcome better then what was expected. Having read all the information on this issue and following it closely I certainly didnt expect this outcome.
I am now hoping more then a handful of former Australian Airlines crew were offered Sydney and Melbourne so the Perth crew on the transfer list can see some "significant" movement as apposed to the "limited" number earlier in the week.
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The news of Tiger flying in and out of Australia might just be good news.
If there is an increased demand for both tech and cabin crew not to mention groundstaff in Australia it's good news for us.The only question is what will be the T & C's.
IN any case QF will have competition and that is good news.If you don't like what your doing it gives you another option...
If there is an increased demand for both tech and cabin crew not to mention groundstaff in Australia it's good news for us.The only question is what will be the T & C's.
IN any case QF will have competition and that is good news.If you don't like what your doing it gives you another option...
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I agree - the current situation stinks!
I am appreciative of the FAAA pressing the company into this token 1:1 thing. But DRY IT OUT AN FERTALISE THE LAWN!
It is CLEARLY in breech of the EBA. I guess we can add that to the list of where the company clearly breeches the EBA in regards to the employment of casuals over full-time.
It is wrong. Plain and simple
I would love to be told I am missing something and I am mistaken - but it ain't the case. Blind Freddy could see the rot taking place in front of us.
WHY isn't more being done to protect loyal, long time paying members of
FAAA Domestic?
That is a valid question and not just a whinge.
I am appreciative of the FAAA pressing the company into this token 1:1 thing. But DRY IT OUT AN FERTALISE THE LAWN!
It is CLEARLY in breech of the EBA. I guess we can add that to the list of where the company clearly breeches the EBA in regards to the employment of casuals over full-time.
It is wrong. Plain and simple
I would love to be told I am missing something and I am mistaken - but it ain't the case. Blind Freddy could see the rot taking place in front of us.
WHY isn't more being done to protect loyal, long time paying members of
FAAA Domestic?
That is a valid question and not just a whinge.
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ditzyboy......"WHY isn't more being done to protect loyal, long time paying members of FAAA Domestic"
Loyalty is word that does not exist in the aviation vocabulary especially when "COSY" relationships are to be nurtured.
Loyalty is word that does not exist in the aviation vocabulary especially when "COSY" relationships are to be nurtured.