CC Career Progression into QF Short Haul - News?
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well boys n gals im informed that the 20 mam positions shall be interviewed soon as per those who selected per. on application form only. start date october. i guess those guys in bne and syd would have for sure put per. first selection on form as they all have dreamt of living there instead of home? anyways the selection process should prove of some interest as so many have applied. cheers gigs
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Gigs! What are you on! 
Qantas full time staff, wake UP!
If Qantas are equal opportunity employer, why the disriminatation against other applicants from for eg: staff CV?
MAM has nothing to do with Qantas on paper it is an external organisation which has more to do with the FAAA (It would seem) HMMMMMMMM !
Doggy, doggy cosy, cosy
Go Geoff,
Any industrial relations solicitors reading?
L1A
Qantas full time staff, wake UP!
If Qantas are equal opportunity employer, why the disriminatation against other applicants from for eg: staff CV?
MAM has nothing to do with Qantas on paper it is an external organisation which has more to do with the FAAA (It would seem) HMMMMMMMM !
Doggy, doggy cosy, cosy
Go Geoff,
Any industrial relations solicitors reading?
L1A
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Spoke with a casual Flight Attendant who is hoping to get Full-time in progression, today. She did 180 hours last month AND worked SEVEN days in row!! With people doing those type of hours why would Qantas hire anymore Full-time employees?
Casual Flight Attendants need to wake up to themselves and start thinking more long term! The conditions that we have in SH are not going to be around for much longer if this starts happening more and more.
Please note that I am not attacking the good work that ALL flight attendants do. I am attacking Crewing for asking, and the STUPID/GREEDY flight attendants that are working, their (along with others) way out of a full-time position.
Casual Flight Attendants need to wake up to themselves and start thinking more long term! The conditions that we have in SH are not going to be around for much longer if this starts happening more and more.
Please note that I am not attacking the good work that ALL flight attendants do. I am attacking Crewing for asking, and the STUPID/GREEDY flight attendants that are working, their (along with others) way out of a full-time position.
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cokecopduster. No casual can do 7 days, nor go over FWA high line 163hrs. Casuals also cannot have MR. It is impossible to do 180 without breaching these rules. This person needs to be brought to the attention of management before something more serious than the breaching of rules. This person is in noway rested. I can just imagine an incident like a toilet fire to get out of hand because they are too tired and my niece who is 6 traveling as a um in 29c passes out from smoke. If you come across these people you have an obligation to report them immediately for you safety, your crew and the passengers.
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casualvermin -
I was not aware that MAM could not have MR. I was under the impression that MR was applied and it was up to the casual to nominate otherwise. There was a couple of rosters where the Cs out of Perth were signing on twice in one day and MR was obviously applied at block build. The girls I spoke to were all too scared to tell anyone about it.
So the cap is 163? At least there is a cap. I thought there was one but more than one person has told me otherwise. As a permanent I can choose to work to 163 and make preparations for it in advance. I wouldn't fancy get an 85-90 hour roster then having it increased to 160-odd through the operational month without the ability to adjust the rest of my life. And to have this happen month in, month out.
The no MR and 163 cap is good. Does that apply to all contracts? How many days free-from-work must the various contracts have. I was alarmed this is only five for C contract. Is that correct? I realise that some days can be given back to the company and that five is the minimum but that is ludicris. It should be seven, as it is for permanent. I see that as common sense.
We are the masters of our own destiny. This statement is no truer than it is for cabin crew. Many casuals work extremely hard for the company and for the chance of a full time position. It seems the harder you work the less likely full time jobs will come around. The situation sucks for you guys. I hope you are able to take out of it what is good and works for you and run with that.
I was not aware that MAM could not have MR. I was under the impression that MR was applied and it was up to the casual to nominate otherwise. There was a couple of rosters where the Cs out of Perth were signing on twice in one day and MR was obviously applied at block build. The girls I spoke to were all too scared to tell anyone about it.
So the cap is 163? At least there is a cap. I thought there was one but more than one person has told me otherwise. As a permanent I can choose to work to 163 and make preparations for it in advance. I wouldn't fancy get an 85-90 hour roster then having it increased to 160-odd through the operational month without the ability to adjust the rest of my life. And to have this happen month in, month out.
The no MR and 163 cap is good. Does that apply to all contracts? How many days free-from-work must the various contracts have. I was alarmed this is only five for C contract. Is that correct? I realise that some days can be given back to the company and that five is the minimum but that is ludicris. It should be seven, as it is for permanent. I see that as common sense.
We are the masters of our own destiny. This statement is no truer than it is for cabin crew. Many casuals work extremely hard for the company and for the chance of a full time position. It seems the harder you work the less likely full time jobs will come around. The situation sucks for you guys. I hope you are able to take out of it what is good and works for you and run with that.
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Casuals cannot sign on twice in one day, unless sign off happens prior to 0200hrs. If regional pattern states local night, it is as your local night 2200-0600. Correct?
It is all in EBA. Sounds like PER need a few union reps.
Anyone else been reminded 5 times for an interview? Not many jumping at it?
It is all in EBA. Sounds like PER need a few union reps.
Anyone else been reminded 5 times for an interview? Not many jumping at it?
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it appears congrats are in order for the aforementioned casual team leader who is going around i am told,telling all that their is only 19 positions in per as he has already been offered one! also interesting to read on cabin crew section of prune appears to address L1a posts?? cheers gigs
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Ah! Our 1st casual team leader! DD was often spotted on days off doing the shopping in his uniform, or wheeeling his trolly bag up Oxford Street(also in uniform)! A pretty big cry for attention, I would say!
We despised him at AN, then he turns up at MAM and rubs everone the wrong way, god knows what he will be like if he ends up as a full timer!
We despised him at AN, then he turns up at MAM and rubs everone the wrong way, god knows what he will be like if he ends up as a full timer!
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I am disgusted that for one AO gets Sydney over those who have been on transfer lists 2 years.
I am also close to vomiting that %& is going to be fulltime. Now that this is happening ICAC will have to intervine. HE DOES NOT DESERVE THIS POSITION.
Funny how QF change recruiters at same time recruiting MAM..........
Quiet for some time, perhaps those of us on 13% loadings will speak up by ourseilves not through FAAA.
By the way, have FAAA moved from Mel Offcie or are we still cosy?
This is not an AO debate, but, how dare the union get them positons on east coast with out clearing transfer list and those from subbies. Consult/represent the members first before FNQ. ICAC, ACCC. Look out we'll catch on
I am also close to vomiting that %& is going to be fulltime. Now that this is happening ICAC will have to intervine. HE DOES NOT DESERVE THIS POSITION.
Funny how QF change recruiters at same time recruiting MAM..........
Quiet for some time, perhaps those of us on 13% loadings will speak up by ourseilves not through FAAA.
By the way, have FAAA moved from Mel Offcie or are we still cosy?
This is not an AO debate, but, how dare the union get them positons on east coast with out clearing transfer list and those from subbies. Consult/represent the members first before FNQ. ICAC, ACCC. Look out we'll catch on
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I think you'll find the list has been pretty much cleared except for those going to BNE and a few right at the bottom. My mate is being transferred out of PER and he quite close to the bottom of the list and was only on there for 8 or so months.
As for the union and MAM, members got a newsletter confirming a move a couple of months ago its on their website.
http://www.faaadomestic.org.au/news.asp?id=974
I think you'll find the list has been pretty much cleared except for those going to BNE and a few right at the bottom. My mate is being transferred out of PER and he quite close to the bottom of the list and was only on there for 8 or so months.
As for the union and MAM, members got a newsletter confirming a move a couple of months ago its on their website.
http://www.faaadomestic.org.au/news.asp?id=974
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The funny thing is that this guy will be CSM at the first available opportunity. He will fit right in with the Perth/Former Ansett management cosy little team within Perth.
As for walking around Oxford Street in uniform with wheelie bag, try not to put everyone into that cateogry. There are a lot of crew that live in that area that catch the train to work therefore have no choice but to walk down Oxford street to the station. However in the case of this guy you are spot on.
galleyslag
I agree with regional guy. The FAAA got an excellent result for existing crew on the transfer list. It may not be ideal but a substantial number of Perth crew are being transfered and most have spent less then 2 years in Perth.
The funny thing is that this guy will be CSM at the first available opportunity. He will fit right in with the Perth/Former Ansett management cosy little team within Perth.
As for walking around Oxford Street in uniform with wheelie bag, try not to put everyone into that cateogry. There are a lot of crew that live in that area that catch the train to work therefore have no choice but to walk down Oxford street to the station. However in the case of this guy you are spot on.
galleyslag
I agree with regional guy. The FAAA got an excellent result for existing crew on the transfer list. It may not be ideal but a substantial number of Perth crew are being transfered and most have spent less then 2 years in Perth.
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I was a bit carried away, it is a good result for those over there. But now 20 mamsters who do a great job, do high hours are to be sent over there, when really, why couldn't they secure a deal for them to stay in home base. Same with regionals.
The cosiness to me isn't the address, it is the relationship the two hold. I would like to see more movement, apart from VR. With 1000 mams, surly something is a miss. Perhaps it is the lack of public relations the union has that makes it seem more than what it is.
When does the transfer list to CNS open? Will the mam schools on hold be sent there?
Getting back to PER, why don't they have enough people over there?
The cosiness to me isn't the address, it is the relationship the two hold. I would like to see more movement, apart from VR. With 1000 mams, surly something is a miss. Perhaps it is the lack of public relations the union has that makes it seem more than what it is.
When does the transfer list to CNS open? Will the mam schools on hold be sent there?
Getting back to PER, why don't they have enough people over there?
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The regionals being Eastern, Sunstate and Jetstar are going to Perth from 1 October along with the 20 MAM. They are not staying in their home base.
I would assume once the new Cairns short haul base opens on 1 Sept permanent crew would be able to place their name on the transfer list to Cairns and so would the Cairns crew who would like to get out.
Not sure about MAM. However Cairns short haul crew will have access to FWA as this is an EBA requirement. Obviously this will not be available from 1 Sept but MAM's will be placed into Cairns at some point in the near future to allow permanent Cairns crew access to FWA.
Since the introduction of Carmen the flying out of Perth has increased by over 50% with no real increase in the amount of permanent crew there is only something like 70-80 permanent crew whereas something like 140-160 crew are needed per day thus the large number of MAM's within the base to cover the flying.
Hope this helps.
The regionals being Eastern, Sunstate and Jetstar are going to Perth from 1 October along with the 20 MAM. They are not staying in their home base.
I would assume once the new Cairns short haul base opens on 1 Sept permanent crew would be able to place their name on the transfer list to Cairns and so would the Cairns crew who would like to get out.
Not sure about MAM. However Cairns short haul crew will have access to FWA as this is an EBA requirement. Obviously this will not be available from 1 Sept but MAM's will be placed into Cairns at some point in the near future to allow permanent Cairns crew access to FWA.
Since the introduction of Carmen the flying out of Perth has increased by over 50% with no real increase in the amount of permanent crew there is only something like 70-80 permanent crew whereas something like 140-160 crew are needed per day thus the large number of MAM's within the base to cover the flying.
Hope this helps.
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Thanks GH,
I guess I am more miffed than pi%%ed.
Did the Per base function well before CARMEN?
Other than family back on east coast are there any other reason why people leave?
I guess I am more miffed than pi%%ed.
Did the Per base function well before CARMEN?
Other than family back on east coast are there any other reason why people leave?