QF Longhaul Cabin Crew Promotions
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Some of you guys are unbelieveable. Some of you have bitched and complained about lack of promotion etc and now they put out the ad's for CSM/CSS's you start to bitch about the people who may get the jobs!!
Wow...is it actually possible that some of these CSS's may actually be good CSM's? Or that some F/A maybe a good CSS?
No....apparently the only ones who will get the job will be the suckholes, the ones who crawl up to the CCM's. Imagine if some of these guys and girls get the gig because they could be good at the role! Shocking to think..i know.
For god's sake... give these guys a chance. Some of you have already decided they will be no good before they have even announced who got it. What chance do some of these new guys stand!
Wow...is it actually possible that some of these CSS's may actually be good CSM's? Or that some F/A maybe a good CSS?
No....apparently the only ones who will get the job will be the suckholes, the ones who crawl up to the CCM's. Imagine if some of these guys and girls get the gig because they could be good at the role! Shocking to think..i know.
For god's sake... give these guys a chance. Some of you have already decided they will be no good before they have even announced who got it. What chance do some of these new guys stand!
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Sydney s/h I think you have misinterpreted my post.I'm sure there will be SOME good applicants however a number of supervisors I know have had their applications not supported.
Without exception these have been guys flying more than 20 years.The ones I know would make great CSM's but it looks like the company are using other demographics if you know what I mean.
I find it interesting that you are so quick to defend the company when it is obvious that they are not too interested in returning the loyalty shown to them.
Without exception these have been guys flying more than 20 years.The ones I know would make great CSM's but it looks like the company are using other demographics if you know what I mean.
I find it interesting that you are so quick to defend the company when it is obvious that they are not too interested in returning the loyalty shown to them.
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So perhaps you perceive me to "support the company" i will now be labelled management on some level of QCC.
Actually, Lowerlobe, it seems you have also misinterpreted my post. I am not supporting the company, rather, feeling sorry for a bunch of people who will get the promotions and have to put up with a pre-determined idea of how well they do the job.
Actually, Lowerlobe, it seems you have also misinterpreted my post. I am not supporting the company, rather, feeling sorry for a bunch of people who will get the promotions and have to put up with a pre-determined idea of how well they do the job.
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sydney s/h..If the company had an unbiased,transparent and ability based promotion program then those who get the job would have no problems with crew.They would have the respect of other crew.
However with the selection process the way it is then crew will know who got the job through ability and who got it through appointment.Those crew who were not supported by the company for promotion after years of loyal service have my sympathy.
Who knows if you really are crew or not but in less than a month it's not my problem anymore.
To those here who have flown for many years and are taking VR thanks for your company and work.They can never take away our memories .
To those who feel it is OK to work as a casual or in a base and for less pay and conditions than we did then it's all yours....
However with the selection process the way it is then crew will know who got the job through ability and who got it through appointment.Those crew who were not supported by the company for promotion after years of loyal service have my sympathy.
Who knows if you really are crew or not but in less than a month it's not my problem anymore.
To those here who have flown for many years and are taking VR thanks for your company and work.They can never take away our memories .
To those who feel it is OK to work as a casual or in a base and for less pay and conditions than we did then it's all yours....
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So Lowerlobe,
For those of us staying does it mean we all support the company and its goals?
Or.... does it mean that we still have 20years of working ahead of us and don't have another job to go to??
Just hurry up and leave. Roll on 30 June.
For those of us staying does it mean we all support the company and its goals?
Or.... does it mean that we still have 20years of working ahead of us and don't have another job to go to??
Just hurry up and leave. Roll on 30 June.
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Ahh Yes 30th June..
Still a few NRT's to go then then the memories of Tahiti,Fiji,Athens in Summer and the Greek Islands.Skiing in Vancouver,Bahrain,Paris,Rome and even Belgrade was good especially in summer.Slips of more than 2 nights in LHR,long slips in Man and going up to the lakes district in summer...
Now to pick up the new boat ..Mmmmmm
But best of all is no more E.P's and standby's.....
Best of luck everyone...
Still a few NRT's to go then then the memories of Tahiti,Fiji,Athens in Summer and the Greek Islands.Skiing in Vancouver,Bahrain,Paris,Rome and even Belgrade was good especially in summer.Slips of more than 2 nights in LHR,long slips in Man and going up to the lakes district in summer...
Now to pick up the new boat ..Mmmmmm
But best of all is no more E.P's and standby's.....
Best of luck everyone...
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,,.......not happy Jann!!!
Just got my phone call from one of the "Managers" ( cough !) to say that the VR numbers have been reduced by at least 50%.............
TOO BAD SO SAD !!!!!!
What tha???????
I thought I was over the line.
Therefore there are less CSM's who got the gig...."ttrickle down effect"
The LIST is out......only 8 spots for SYD ..the rest for MEL.
Rumour is that a few of the successful SYD guys were offered MEL and told them to "jam- it".
The "disappointees " have been called.
Training starts Monday........
The brother of "Hasim" got the gig.
.................run away / run away
TOO BAD SO SAD !!!!!!
What tha???????
I thought I was over the line.
Therefore there are less CSM's who got the gig...."ttrickle down effect"
The LIST is out......only 8 spots for SYD ..the rest for MEL.
Rumour is that a few of the successful SYD guys were offered MEL and told them to "jam- it".
The "disappointees " have been called.
Training starts Monday........
The brother of "Hasim" got the gig.
.................run away / run away
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Sounds like another monumental coque up.....no wonder no one in middle management stays longer than 5 years..
It is mildly entertaining though...if you work for another Airline.
QF management make other airline management look positively brilliant
It is mildly entertaining though...if you work for another Airline.
QF management make other airline management look positively brilliant
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Reality Check
....his surname has an "EL-" in it.
Don't worry it won't take long for the "newies" to revert back to "type".
Even Rick W. ( after 36 yrs loyal service) went to MEL with a view of "doing it my ( QF) way" and was punted by management ( sneeze).
Gradually, week by week, fixing IFE's, apologising apologising, apologising, putting up with "some" over inflated ego's from the Left Hand drivers seat,KPI reviews, being pinged for 1 min delays, apologising, Kiwi crew, dodging "dobs", being junior-getting no choice-crap flying, no recognition,the B-safe journey, trying to juggle being a F/A on board + a manager etc etc...........day by day it will wear them down until finally they fit into the CSM current mould. ie:
DO THE BEST YOU CAN WITH WHAT YOU'VE GOT AND TRY YOUR HARDEST TO AVOID ANY CONTACT WITH THE CLOWNS ON QCC-1.
Welcome to Club... boys & girls.
Don't worry it won't take long for the "newies" to revert back to "type".
Even Rick W. ( after 36 yrs loyal service) went to MEL with a view of "doing it my ( QF) way" and was punted by management ( sneeze).
Gradually, week by week, fixing IFE's, apologising apologising, apologising, putting up with "some" over inflated ego's from the Left Hand drivers seat,KPI reviews, being pinged for 1 min delays, apologising, Kiwi crew, dodging "dobs", being junior-getting no choice-crap flying, no recognition,the B-safe journey, trying to juggle being a F/A on board + a manager etc etc...........day by day it will wear them down until finally they fit into the CSM current mould. ie:
DO THE BEST YOU CAN WITH WHAT YOU'VE GOT AND TRY YOUR HARDEST TO AVOID ANY CONTACT WITH THE CLOWNS ON QCC-1.
Welcome to Club... boys & girls.
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Stubby...You would hope so but remember that the thought police that are CSM's in Sydney are still anal after years of flying.I'm referring to Compactor man ,CE and SM just to mention a few.
You would think after having his shoe dissapear he would think again but no he is still the same.Thankfully I have not had to fly with them as CSM's but most crew do.
The last thing the company wants is a CSM that the crew like and respect...you can't have good morale now can we......
You would think after having his shoe dissapear he would think again but no he is still the same.Thankfully I have not had to fly with them as CSM's but most crew do.
The last thing the company wants is a CSM that the crew like and respect...you can't have good morale now can we......
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You're on the money there 'Lobe.
By the way to answer your last post.
Yes, I did receive the first letter of confirmation re: VR.
I'm not the only one
about this. I have already spoken to 3 others in the same boat.
Appparently the BOS guys are getting hammered this weekend !!!!
Meanwhile the Goons are off sipping their Chardies down at the Wooloomoloo Wharf.
By the way to answer your last post.
Yes, I did receive the first letter of confirmation re: VR.
I'm not the only one
about this. I have already spoken to 3 others in the same boat.Appparently the BOS guys are getting hammered this weekend !!!!
Meanwhile the Goons are off sipping their Chardies down at the Wooloomoloo Wharf.
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Promotion Analysis
1.There were around 30 individuals promoted to the position of CSM
2.Approximately 16 of these individuals were chosen not promoted...the interview process did not apply to them
3.17 are female
4.18 of these people are married to the business...they dont have families or a significant other.
5.10 will be fantastic..they were promoted not chosen
6.10 will try hard but just dont have the skills necessary
7.10 will be absolutely hopeless..they were chosen not promoted.
8.At least 6 people who were thought to be a shoe in missed out.
Opinion:
When you have a weak CSM and an experienced CSS the CSS will call the shots anyway.
The CSS position has evolved into a key position in the team.
Sometimes he/she has to stand up to an incompetent CSM.When the crew complain to the supervisor about the manager the supervisor must act.
Thie scenario is about to become more frequent.
Really the two positions should be combined creating one large more efficient pool of Onboard Managers(OMs).
Who operates at L2 or L1 should be decided by the individuals on the day.
Recency should also be take into account..4 trips not operating at L1 or L2 means that on the 5th you do.
The newly created pool should be monitored for a year.
Those that dont cut the mustard should be managed out of the position.
As the business grows over the coming years there will be more opportunities for promotion.
Lets hope that Ali,Alison,Lesley and Sam learn by the mistakes that they have made.
If they dont..... morale and service levels will plummet even further.
Promoting fools to positions of responsibilty is only setting them up to fail.
2.Approximately 16 of these individuals were chosen not promoted...the interview process did not apply to them
3.17 are female
4.18 of these people are married to the business...they dont have families or a significant other.
5.10 will be fantastic..they were promoted not chosen
6.10 will try hard but just dont have the skills necessary
7.10 will be absolutely hopeless..they were chosen not promoted.
8.At least 6 people who were thought to be a shoe in missed out.
Opinion:
When you have a weak CSM and an experienced CSS the CSS will call the shots anyway.
The CSS position has evolved into a key position in the team.
Sometimes he/she has to stand up to an incompetent CSM.When the crew complain to the supervisor about the manager the supervisor must act.
Thie scenario is about to become more frequent.
Really the two positions should be combined creating one large more efficient pool of Onboard Managers(OMs).
Who operates at L2 or L1 should be decided by the individuals on the day.
Recency should also be take into account..4 trips not operating at L1 or L2 means that on the 5th you do.
The newly created pool should be monitored for a year.
Those that dont cut the mustard should be managed out of the position.
As the business grows over the coming years there will be more opportunities for promotion.
Lets hope that Ali,Alison,Lesley and Sam learn by the mistakes that they have made.
If they dont..... morale and service levels will plummet even further.
Promoting fools to positions of responsibilty is only setting them up to fail.
Last edited by DEFCON4; 2nd Jun 2007 at 08:46.