QF Longhaul Cabin Crew Promotions
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QF Longhaul Cabin Crew Promotions
there must be a lot of csm's/css's put there hand up for the package as it just has been announced that Qf Lh is offering FINALLY some upgrades. how many? will see.
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I was surprised that the company managed to do without any more CSS's and CSM's after last years VR package.
What we need is someone from the office who posts here as crew to tell us the reason.
What we need is someone from the office who posts here as crew to tell us the reason.
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"They dont make it easy to become a CSM in the long haul division."
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Or a Business First flight attendant for that matter.
The results however do speak for themselves........
"They dont make it easy to become a CSM in the long haul division."
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Or a Business First flight attendant for that matter.
The results however do speak for themselves........
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Im not going down that road. It was just an observation of the requirements. From memory LHR CSM's didnt have to go through all the requirements that are listed on the CC Website and nor do short haul CSM's and the only difference between long and short being an aircraft type and 4 desitantions and another small class.
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Purser or CSM?
Longhaul CSM's have for at least 15 years had to jump through various hoops similar [but no less involved] to those described on the CC website.
Hasn't stopped the occasional fruit loop from slipping under the net though.
You would know better than most what the requirements are for Shorthaul Pursers......
Hasn't stopped the occasional fruit loop from slipping under the net though.
You would know better than most what the requirements are for Shorthaul Pursers......
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The requirements laid out by the company for L/H CSM's etc....do I believe lead to a better quality however as Speedbirdhouse said a few suss characters have made it.
The process though does enable the company to slip a few of their candidates in though....
The process though does enable the company to slip a few of their candidates in though....
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The process though does enable the company to slip a few of their candidates in though....
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Come off it Donny......you're going to have to come up with something a bit better than that to get us going.
Don't forget ....many of the "colleagues" ( that you refer to) that work in the "irrelevant world" have been dealing with your "type" for years in the J/C cabin. !!!!!
So we'll treat you the same way as we treat them.
!!!(insert the letters that fit)
Don't forget ....many of the "colleagues" ( that you refer to) that work in the "irrelevant world" have been dealing with your "type" for years in the J/C cabin. !!!!!
So we'll treat you the same way as we treat them.
!!!(insert the letters that fit)
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What'll be facinating about watching the next round of recruitment is how the impact of the dysfunctional and fractured relationship between Longhaul crew and cabin crew [cough] management pans out.
You would be lucking to find ANYBODY with anything positive to say about the present regime given the abuse, harassment, bullying, lies and intimidation indiscriminately dished out to us over the last few years.
The contrast in management style between the Greg Bee, Lyn Stanbridge era couldn't be more stark.
Lyn understood, respected and nurtured our culture, developed individuals and appeared to understand that a healthy community needs diversity in it's managers.
The trouble that this lot of thugs have created for themselves through their treatment of us is that just about everyone with a backbone has told them, in one way or another, just what they think of them.
So. Who are this lot of fools going to promote?
The "ideologically sound" but operationally useless, brown noser?
I would think so given that it even took Lyn a while to work out that that doesn't often work.
This lot of thugs CERTAINLY don't have the skills or courage to do otherwise.
OR
They'll give give all the jobs to the MEL based [ex S/H] Longhaulers returning from LHR??????
You would be lucking to find ANYBODY with anything positive to say about the present regime given the abuse, harassment, bullying, lies and intimidation indiscriminately dished out to us over the last few years.
The contrast in management style between the Greg Bee, Lyn Stanbridge era couldn't be more stark.
Lyn understood, respected and nurtured our culture, developed individuals and appeared to understand that a healthy community needs diversity in it's managers.
The trouble that this lot of thugs have created for themselves through their treatment of us is that just about everyone with a backbone has told them, in one way or another, just what they think of them.
So. Who are this lot of fools going to promote?
The "ideologically sound" but operationally useless, brown noser?
I would think so given that it even took Lyn a while to work out that that doesn't often work.
This lot of thugs CERTAINLY don't have the skills or courage to do otherwise.
OR
They'll give give all the jobs to the MEL based [ex S/H] Longhaulers returning from LHR??????
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GalleyHag says:
They do actually. Both CSS and CSM processes are the same in the UK as they are in Australia. Also, before a CSM can be appointed in the UK it also needs to be reviewed by LG in Sydney.
From memory LHR CSM's didnt have to go through all the requirements that are listed on the CC Website
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Hey Donny....
"Has not an employer have any rights in your ever so small and irrelevant world?"
Two points.
1:We are talking about the dysfunctional group that supported the takeover.To be honest I don't think they should be running a chook raffle.
2:I have no problem with the company promoting the people they want BUT only if they are capable of doing the job.There have been too many examples of cronyism to ignore and they are the ones that end up running the show with the ineviteable results.
Stubby..I don't think Don would know what P/C or J/C looks like and you are not allowed to wear a blue singlet in those cabins.
"Has not an employer have any rights in your ever so small and irrelevant world?"
Two points.
1:We are talking about the dysfunctional group that supported the takeover.To be honest I don't think they should be running a chook raffle.
2:I have no problem with the company promoting the people they want BUT only if they are capable of doing the job.There have been too many examples of cronyism to ignore and they are the ones that end up running the show with the ineviteable results.
Stubby..I don't think Don would know what P/C or J/C looks like and you are not allowed to wear a blue singlet in those cabins.
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This whole APA-farce has distracted us from the main game.
Agree Speedbird, this round of CSM selection will make the APA bid process look fantastic.
The "brown nosing" has already begun on QCC/1......don't worry.
My question is:
HOW CAN A GROUP OF MANAGER'S (sneeze) WHO HAVE NO FLYING EXPERIENCE AT ALL (except for the terminator....but that doesn't count!
)SELECT A GROUP OF OPERATIONAL CSM'S ??
Me thinks there may be some biased subjectivity creeping in to the process.
Agree Speedbird, this round of CSM selection will make the APA bid process look fantastic.
The "brown nosing" has already begun on QCC/1......don't worry.
My question is:
HOW CAN A GROUP OF MANAGER'S (sneeze) WHO HAVE NO FLYING EXPERIENCE AT ALL (except for the terminator....but that doesn't count!
)SELECT A GROUP OF OPERATIONAL CSM'S ??Me thinks there may be some biased subjectivity creeping in to the process.
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Stubby mate
Isnt that the same way that most of our managers get their jobs?
have you ever flown?
have you ever worked on an aircraft?
have you any idea of our procedures on an aircraft?
have you ever managed people before?
do you know where we fly to?
do you know where the airport is?
have you seen a picture of an aircraft?
do you know what kpi's are?
do you dislike most cabin crew?
"NO"
thats geat pal your hired
i reckon the crew going for the jacket should be asking them the questiuons
Isnt that the same way that most of our managers get their jobs?
have you ever flown?
have you ever worked on an aircraft?
have you any idea of our procedures on an aircraft?
have you ever managed people before?
do you know where we fly to?
do you know where the airport is?
have you seen a picture of an aircraft?
do you know what kpi's are?
do you dislike most cabin crew?
"NO"
thats geat pal your hired
i reckon the crew going for the jacket should be asking them the questiuons
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ozyskipper mate i like your post
before a CSM can be appointed in the UK it also needs to be reviewed by LG in Sydney
they found out the hard way and its called damage control.
before a CSM can be appointed in the UK it also needs to be reviewed by LG in Sydney
they found out the hard way and its called damage control.
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Roamingwolf is actually correct, I've seen it happen:
Once upon a time, I had the same "type" of questions asked of me and was offered the job of Group General Manager ****** ********** in a certain company, at a six figure salary.
When I politely pointed out that while the offer was gratifying, my experience and qualifications were at considerable variance to their current technology and projects, and I was therefore puzzled as to why they chose me.
Their response was as follows: "We want you precisely because you have NO experience of the divisions culture and are not "infected" (their words) with (a certain technology background) bias. You will provide a breath of fresh air to the Division and see things through fresh and unbiased eyes, and make a clean break with the past."
To my sorrow, I believed their malarkey and there followed eighteen months of mental anguish before I gave it away - things like chairing a meeting to discuss a technology approach to a problem where I had no understanding whatsoever what people were talking about.
No marks for guessing which industry either.
Isnt that the same way that most of our managers get their jobs?
have you ever flown?
have you ever worked on an aircraft?
have you any idea of our procedures on an aircraft?
have you ever managed people before?
do you know where we fly to?
do you know where the airport is?
have you seen a picture of an aircraft?
do you know what kpi's are?
do you dislike most cabin crew?
"NO"
thats great pal your hired
have you ever flown?
have you ever worked on an aircraft?
have you any idea of our procedures on an aircraft?
have you ever managed people before?
do you know where we fly to?
do you know where the airport is?
have you seen a picture of an aircraft?
do you know what kpi's are?
do you dislike most cabin crew?
"NO"
thats great pal your hired
When I politely pointed out that while the offer was gratifying, my experience and qualifications were at considerable variance to their current technology and projects, and I was therefore puzzled as to why they chose me.
Their response was as follows: "We want you precisely because you have NO experience of the divisions culture and are not "infected" (their words) with (a certain technology background) bias. You will provide a breath of fresh air to the Division and see things through fresh and unbiased eyes, and make a clean break with the past."
To my sorrow, I believed their malarkey and there followed eighteen months of mental anguish before I gave it away - things like chairing a meeting to discuss a technology approach to a problem where I had no understanding whatsoever what people were talking about.
No marks for guessing which industry either.
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ozskipper,
were there not a number of CSMs appointed in LHR straight out of the flight attendant rank???
Longhaulers in Australia will have had to have worked as a supervisor in order to obtain the certificate level 4 that is required of the CSM position.
Certainly not the case in the cheaper, overseas bases. Eh?
were there not a number of CSMs appointed in LHR straight out of the flight attendant rank???
Longhaulers in Australia will have had to have worked as a supervisor in order to obtain the certificate level 4 that is required of the CSM position.
Certainly not the case in the cheaper, overseas bases. Eh?
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intersting twist
every applicant has to have his/her application form signed by their respective manager. i love the options. as manager they can support or achnowledge the promotion. talk about ego boosting. i anticipate the builders start working today to widen the doors at qcc1 to accomandate the fast growing ego's of the visitors
