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AHH Peg/Eden, there you go again, more bleating, more bone pointing and now personal attacks on sh's ex secretary. Meanwhile nothing achieved other than to lay a veiled threat against her employment under a reunited union. I'm sure she'd be extremely worried if she knew, in fact i'll give her a call today to make sure she does.
Perhpas its A.D.D. that you are so easily distracted from doing what you were elected to do
Perhpas its A.D.D. that you are so easily distracted from doing what you were elected to do
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Peg 747,
lets see when December rolls around if "long haul flight attendants still enjoy the best conditions of any of the crew in the australian flying community"
I hope they do. Goodluck - you'll need it.
lets see when December rolls around if "long haul flight attendants still enjoy the best conditions of any of the crew in the australian flying community"
I hope they do. Goodluck - you'll need it.
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Sydney s/h If we have any problems with our eba it will be because of what your union has done.We might need good luck but what we really need is for the domestic union to stop white anting us.
happicampa someone asked how many days a month you get of and i didn't see you answer it.
LL I like the bit about the ommelette division and there is nothing better than a cosy ommelette
happicampa someone asked how many days a month you get of and i didn't see you answer it.
LL I like the bit about the ommelette division and there is nothing better than a cosy ommelette
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Happicampa - Veiled threat? What are you on about? I'll call her and let her know if you like, she knows exactly how I feel about the association. I'd jump accross to the LH union in a flash if I had the chance. When was the last time the SH FAAA went on record about any of the issues we face?
Your views do not represent the majority of us in SH.
Your views do not represent the majority of us in SH.
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Employers need valid reason to sack: PM
April 24, 2007 - 11:04AM
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Employers cannot use operational reasons as a justification to sack workers only to re-advertise the same position at lower salary, Prime Minister John Howard says.
His comments follow a landmark Australian Industrial Relations Commission ruling reported in News Ltd newspapers that the government's Work Choices legislation had given companies broader grounds to sack workers under the guise of operational reasons.
"The question of a valid reason need not be considered when an argument is advanced regarding the termination being for operational reason, or reasons that included operational reasons," the AIRC found.
The ruling related to a dispute between retail chain Priceline and former employee Andrew Cruickshank, 42, who was made redundant in November only to have his position advertised and filled at a lower salary.
Mr Howard said companies always had been able to make employees redundant if their position was no longer needed.
However, he said the definition of operational reasons did not extend to sacking workers simply to employ someone at a lower rate.
"Operational reasons are not and should never be seen as code for saying `I will get rid of X because I'm paying him $100,000 a year so I can employ Y at $80,000 a year'," Mr Howard told ABC radio in Brisbane.
"There has to be a bona-fide operational reason and that of course has always been in the law."
© 2007 AAP
I guess labour hire is different?
April 24, 2007 - 11:04AM
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Employers cannot use operational reasons as a justification to sack workers only to re-advertise the same position at lower salary, Prime Minister John Howard says.
His comments follow a landmark Australian Industrial Relations Commission ruling reported in News Ltd newspapers that the government's Work Choices legislation had given companies broader grounds to sack workers under the guise of operational reasons.
"The question of a valid reason need not be considered when an argument is advanced regarding the termination being for operational reason, or reasons that included operational reasons," the AIRC found.
The ruling related to a dispute between retail chain Priceline and former employee Andrew Cruickshank, 42, who was made redundant in November only to have his position advertised and filled at a lower salary.
Mr Howard said companies always had been able to make employees redundant if their position was no longer needed.
However, he said the definition of operational reasons did not extend to sacking workers simply to employ someone at a lower rate.
"Operational reasons are not and should never be seen as code for saying `I will get rid of X because I'm paying him $100,000 a year so I can employ Y at $80,000 a year'," Mr Howard told ABC radio in Brisbane.
"There has to be a bona-fide operational reason and that of course has always been in the law."
© 2007 AAP
I guess labour hire is different?
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interesting galleyslag because contract b casuals are almost getting 50% less hours whilst contract c casuals are getting much more comparing equal available status and new ones still coming online. thanks gigs
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Gigs,
I think you have a valid point not only in relation to the post by galleyslag but also from the point of view of the conditions that MAM casuals generally are employed under.I think you should be contacting the journo that wrote the article in last Saturday's SMH.
The other point is that under Howard casuals are able to be emplyed full time where as before they had to be put on a full time basis after working a set time.
I think you have a valid point not only in relation to the post by galleyslag but also from the point of view of the conditions that MAM casuals generally are employed under.I think you should be contacting the journo that wrote the article in last Saturday's SMH.
The other point is that under Howard casuals are able to be emplyed full time where as before they had to be put on a full time basis after working a set time.
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thanks for posting lowerlobe,i know its not allowed by qantas to talk work to media so im a little afraid of my job and am not the type who likes attention at all.......i post on here in this instance to see if anyone has a view and or angle that what casuals do is unfair,unlawfull, or, just plain not equitable...... what is of concern is that h/campa cant or will not answer my question,why? thanks gigs
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24 April, 2007 QF12-07
FAAA - FUTURE DIRECTION
As you are aware, there have been discussions recently between both divisions of the FAAA regarding the future direction of the union.
As recently as March, I invited the Secretary of the International Division, Michael Mijatov to address our annual Divisional Council in response to our interdivisional proposal.
Divisional Council endorsed further discussions in an effort to forge a relationship that results in one union.
Prior to me taking leave for the month of April, Michael and I agreed that on my return, we would make time to progress these critical discussions.
Given this, upon my return from overseas, I found it extremely disappointing that there have been a variety of opinions expressed by various parties that could be divisive and destabilising for the organisation as a whole.
As I have expressed before, this is a critical time for cabin crew given the Federal Government WorkChoices, the uncertainty of the Qantas takeover and the reality of new carriers both domestically and internationally.
We must not be sidetracked from achieving a united union. We must work together to ensure our future. I am reminded of an FAAA election campaign in the 1990s, “One Union – One Future”. A continuation of the two divisions may result in no future.
Let your elected officials from both Divisions move forward to achieve this for the benefit of all members regardless of Division.
This newsletter was written and authorised by Jo Ann Davidson, Divisional Secretary
It would seem that while the cat was away the mice have played. About time Jo Ann put her house in order i would have thought. despite criticism in here most that know Jo Ann have found her an extrement decent person.
Lets give her a chance to get her Division into line. and lets not forget that the head of the organisation that led the charge on LH conditions is no longer with the SH Union. Unless he popped up at QF or MAM lol i would think that the SH/LH FAAA working together has to be a good thing.
I would be interested to hear from the LH officials.....????
FAAA - FUTURE DIRECTION
As you are aware, there have been discussions recently between both divisions of the FAAA regarding the future direction of the union.
As recently as March, I invited the Secretary of the International Division, Michael Mijatov to address our annual Divisional Council in response to our interdivisional proposal.
Divisional Council endorsed further discussions in an effort to forge a relationship that results in one union.
Prior to me taking leave for the month of April, Michael and I agreed that on my return, we would make time to progress these critical discussions.
Given this, upon my return from overseas, I found it extremely disappointing that there have been a variety of opinions expressed by various parties that could be divisive and destabilising for the organisation as a whole.
As I have expressed before, this is a critical time for cabin crew given the Federal Government WorkChoices, the uncertainty of the Qantas takeover and the reality of new carriers both domestically and internationally.
We must not be sidetracked from achieving a united union. We must work together to ensure our future. I am reminded of an FAAA election campaign in the 1990s, “One Union – One Future”. A continuation of the two divisions may result in no future.
Let your elected officials from both Divisions move forward to achieve this for the benefit of all members regardless of Division.
This newsletter was written and authorised by Jo Ann Davidson, Divisional Secretary
It would seem that while the cat was away the mice have played. About time Jo Ann put her house in order i would have thought. despite criticism in here most that know Jo Ann have found her an extrement decent person.
Lets give her a chance to get her Division into line. and lets not forget that the head of the organisation that led the charge on LH conditions is no longer with the SH Union. Unless he popped up at QF or MAM lol i would think that the SH/LH FAAA working together has to be a good thing.
I would be interested to hear from the LH officials.....????
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Well I am not at all interested in the two joining
. FAAA Intl should open their doors to the rest of the flying community. MAM/DJ/JQ/NJS/QF S/H.
I think Syd S/H has a very marginal point of view. That of the old TAA ladies. Well the Puck stops here!
And why are we still hanging out with the techies? I though MAM were cabin crew? Won't be long before MAM supply pilots though
. FAAA Intl should open their doors to the rest of the flying community. MAM/DJ/JQ/NJS/QF S/H.I think Syd S/H has a very marginal point of view. That of the old TAA ladies. Well the Puck stops here!
And why are we still hanging out with the techies? I though MAM were cabin crew? Won't be long before MAM supply pilots though
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Peg Hi!.& great post
But given the sum total of facts that exist, how could SH and LH unions join forces without being "contaminated" ?
Thanks my future and yours may depend on this!
But given the sum total of facts that exist, how could SH and LH unions join forces without being "contaminated" ?
Thanks my future and yours may depend on this!
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all very interesting stuff and its relative to a perception of reality we all have and what that perception is ie. for example DEFCON4 may have their shirts ironed for them by their mum who they live with and that way its easier to iron them in the hotels,more time to concentrate on how to fly the plane as a second officier cool! god knows every other day i iron a b/shirt for my hubbey.i guess its one way for DEFCON4 to profess an insecurity on this site.but, the reallity of real and whats happpening is i suppose is facts!!!!!!!!! talk to some degree and the facts!!!!!!!!!!!! speak for them selfs would you not think!!!!!!!!!!!!!!gigs 2 unions = 1 the facts say very suss!!!!!!!!!!!!gigs
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Are we talking about the same union that went to it's AN members telling them to vote yes on their last EBA that took their base rate from $46,000 to $58,000 when the company was actually screaming about their dire financial situation?.I'm sure the airline collapsed only weeks later and the first thing the government blamed the collapse on were the high structured wages...Yet another cover-up that could come back to haunt them....Ooooooh,scary!
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I have one solution to fix this problem that is blowing out of control...Do as the USA do to their enemies and cut-off their funds.I for one am strongly contemplating withdrawing my union fees as I feel our fees are not being used to fight for it's members.
If the FAAA International had any commonsense,and believe in what's right for their members,they would approach a more reputable union asking if they can startup their own CabinCrew branch.
Hit them where it hurts....Don't want do fight for us then find your own income
If the FAAA International had any commonsense,and believe in what's right for their members,they would approach a more reputable union asking if they can startup their own CabinCrew branch.
Hit them where it hurts....Don't want do fight for us then find your own income
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I reckon the idea of one union is a good one but the taa old girls club would be almost impossible to deal with.
I supose we have to try because one union would be harder for geoff to deal with than 2 smaller ones.
lets see how the s/h union deals with the virgin crew and their eba.That way well know how cosy they are with the emplyers.
i don't know about jr but they were to blame for the dinosaurs
I supose we have to try because one union would be harder for geoff to deal with than 2 smaller ones.
lets see how the s/h union deals with the virgin crew and their eba.That way well know how cosy they are with the emplyers.
i don't know about jr but they were to blame for the dinosaurs
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Hangon a minute...Was it the FAAA or Maurice that setup FlightForce or are they one?.Now I really do feel like a Doofus!.Guess that explains why people are complaining so much about FAAA S/H.There should be an independant investigation into the FAAA S/H as there are so many questions that need answering...I say PROVIDE OR SLIDE !!!