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I've worked on both sides of the fence and I can tell you, there is a hell of alot more shafting going on in S/H, then I have ever been witness to in L/H.
We are SHORT HAUL, I don't consider for one moment that BOM-SYD should be considered as such. When the overseas bases started, we didn't expect our very own collegues in S/H to be doing LONG haul flying. You see, long haul are now loosing flying in all directions, but at least we knew where things were heading with the overseas bases. God knows what the S/H division will have us doing next.
In response to supporting our union, I agree with your point, but you are forgetting a major point here. We are the union, we as members make up the FAAA and as such our views need to be taken seriously. I am tired of the scare tactics adopted by the association and raising a concern gets very little or no merit at all, afterall "thats what we pay them for"...isn't it?. If there is a market to drop QF flights and replace them with J*, then it's going to happen regardless of our conditions.
I know the issues go beyond this, but we are never going to move forward because of the attitudes like "thats the way it is, nothing we can do about it" seem to be the easier option for alot of people out there.
I for one would rather go down with a little integrity, by trying to protect what little we have left. What I, and countless others have fought for during my 25 years and those who served previously.
We are SHORT HAUL, I don't consider for one moment that BOM-SYD should be considered as such. When the overseas bases started, we didn't expect our very own collegues in S/H to be doing LONG haul flying. You see, long haul are now loosing flying in all directions, but at least we knew where things were heading with the overseas bases. God knows what the S/H division will have us doing next.
In response to supporting our union, I agree with your point, but you are forgetting a major point here. We are the union, we as members make up the FAAA and as such our views need to be taken seriously. I am tired of the scare tactics adopted by the association and raising a concern gets very little or no merit at all, afterall "thats what we pay them for"...isn't it?. If there is a market to drop QF flights and replace them with J*, then it's going to happen regardless of our conditions.
I know the issues go beyond this, but we are never going to move forward because of the attitudes like "thats the way it is, nothing we can do about it" seem to be the easier option for alot of people out there.
I for one would rather go down with a little integrity, by trying to protect what little we have left. What I, and countless others have fought for during my 25 years and those who served previously.
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NREQ change to AV. Until next duty(where you get paid) you are not covered by terms of EBA ergo not covered by CASA no need to answer phone. However, for the last two years casuals have been mislead and complied. The EBA only applies to a casual when they are receiving a duty credit(ie $$$$)
Gigs you are correct it is unlawful/illegal/incorrect.
Gigs you are correct it is unlawful/illegal/incorrect.
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Now i know why a mate of mine called the s/h union the judas division.
happi has even admitted everything that people have said about s/h.i reckon we should call them the cosy judas division.now i know why the company does not like the l/h union because they are not cosy with them.
happi has even admitted everything that people have said about s/h.i reckon we should call them the cosy judas division.now i know why the company does not like the l/h union because they are not cosy with them.
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OH! FAAA (who we pay fees) How is the holiday house, the Mercedes, the private school (for the kids) going ? .... If you've got dirt to throw, please throw it and let the rest of us in on your information.
Samford
Points taken.
Quote: I for one would rather go down with a little integrity, by trying to protect what little we have left. What I, and countless others have fought for during my 25 years and those who served previously. - I couldn't agree with you more, but we are definately the MINORITY of people who think this way, most don't actually give a rats as long as they're getting the paycheque, paying the mortgage and feeding the kids. Unless you've got the backing of the vast majority to stand up and do something, we're all screwed. I've said before we don't have to like it, but..... it is what it is
OH! FAAA (who we pay fees) How is the holiday house, the Mercedes, the private school (for the kids) going ? .... If you've got dirt to throw, please throw it and let the rest of us in on your information.
Samford
Points taken.
Quote: I for one would rather go down with a little integrity, by trying to protect what little we have left. What I, and countless others have fought for during my 25 years and those who served previously. - I couldn't agree with you more, but we are definately the MINORITY of people who think this way, most don't actually give a rats as long as they're getting the paycheque, paying the mortgage and feeding the kids. Unless you've got the backing of the vast majority to stand up and do something, we're all screwed. I've said before we don't have to like it, but..... it is what it is
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mate your pathetic imagine if every union acted the way you do.we wouldn't need howard to screw us because you do it very well.
you even had a go at us over the overseas bases when the leader of the judas division goes over to the base in london..dixon doesn't need the workchoice rules all he needs are unions like sh
s/h the cosy judas division.
mate your pathetic imagine if every union acted the way you do.we wouldn't need howard to screw us because you do it very well.
you even had a go at us over the overseas bases when the leader of the judas division goes over to the base in london..dixon doesn't need the workchoice rules all he needs are unions like sh
s/h the cosy judas division.
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FAAA and MAM in paper again
Well Camp I think SMH sums it up quite well this morning.
I don't know how any in FAAA sleep at night. I guess if you keep saying it is ok, it is ok. Pop another prozac, hop in the Audi and do your job.
Anyone for a VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE?
I don't know how any in FAAA sleep at night. I guess if you keep saying it is ok, it is ok. Pop another prozac, hop in the Audi and do your job.
Anyone for a VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE?
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casualvermin this free reserve i write about is allowed in writing by the faaa s/h so you would think its legal, you would think casa would allow it re; fatigue and drinking no pims each 24 hr period. you would think at least someone in the know would comment.....maybe happycampa or bring back jetblackmonaro i liked him! pls does anyonehave details?
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Gigs if you read our EBA you'll find it has typos. Written up quite quickly and vague at best. It is CLEAR to see we have not had impartial representation. The FAAA/MAM thing just shows you what they think of us. Dumb arse cabin crew, not a brain between us. They know no one will do anything about this, thats why the experssion of interest was sent out. Keep us quiet. I guess it is working
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To add to the smoke and mirrors I wonder who would be more interested in the EP "mentor" CASA or Dick Smith. FAAA should have known that was illegal don't you think? Meanwhile.......
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Mam Casuals.... Redundancies...faaa Etc
The posting in here has been interesting the last week.,.following the attack on the announced redundancies by Michael Mijatov and the FAAA International Division.
I'll remind people in here ..that was the only attack on Qantas by the FAAA..... it would of course be too much to expect Short Haul FAAA to publicly attack Qantas over anything...much less the destruction of the most basic thing that unions aim to protect.....JOBS.
The extraordinary attack by Qantas on L/H FAAA , by press release further demonstrates the effectiveness of the L/H FAAA attack over the whole issue of "fake" redundancies created by Qantas so that international flying in particular can be transferred to cheaper Qantas crew options like MAM casuals and overseas based crew.
What is also telling is the refusal of the senior people in the S/H FAAA to comment on the MAM arrangements.... creating a distinct impression of "uneasyness" at the very minimum.
Meanwhile disaffected MAM casulas are now contacting the media and openly writing communications to both Qantas and Mr Alexander.
The events of the past week or so clearly indicate which half of the FAAA works for its members..and it certainly isn't the current officials of the S/H FAAA...people who are so out of touch, that 90% of their virgin members have repudiated them in a humiliating public manner by rejecting the proposed EBA.
It should be clear to members of the FAAA in the Domestic Division of the FAAA , that the time has come to sweep aside the current out of touch officials. THEY ARE TOO COSY WITH QANTAS..... THAT SHOULD BE CLEAR TO EVERYONE NOW.
Perhaps serious people with integrity who would like to stand in upcoming Domestic FAAA elections should come forward...organise yourselves ..and even perhaps talk to officials in the L/H FAAA about joint tickets for example???
A big broom is required to finally sweep away a completely out of touch group of officials and senior staff in the Domestic FAAA.
Finally in relation to some ill informed propaganda about overseas bases in L/H.... the FAAA L/H officials managed to negotiate a cap in 2004 when the previous cap died...furthermore..overseas bases were actively opposed as compared to the senior officials of the Domestic FAAA who not only supported the Company's actions over overseas bases by immediately agreeing to the retention of seniority for their crew going to London..thereby undermining the L/H position not to grant seniority...but the current Domestic head of the FAAA went up there herself.
Also Domestic FAAA in conjunction with Qantas..in the most deceptive and underhand manner..negotiated a grab of international flying by pretending it was "regional" and "traditional" in nature...imagine the outrage if L/H undecut their conditions to take away domestic flying???
This is the same group of people who in 2003 happily signed up to Geoff Dixons wage freeze and undermined the whole Qantas union position.
Domestic Division FAAA members deserve much better than those who currently "pretend" to represent their interests.
I'll remind people in here ..that was the only attack on Qantas by the FAAA..... it would of course be too much to expect Short Haul FAAA to publicly attack Qantas over anything...much less the destruction of the most basic thing that unions aim to protect.....JOBS.
The extraordinary attack by Qantas on L/H FAAA , by press release further demonstrates the effectiveness of the L/H FAAA attack over the whole issue of "fake" redundancies created by Qantas so that international flying in particular can be transferred to cheaper Qantas crew options like MAM casuals and overseas based crew.
What is also telling is the refusal of the senior people in the S/H FAAA to comment on the MAM arrangements.... creating a distinct impression of "uneasyness" at the very minimum.
Meanwhile disaffected MAM casulas are now contacting the media and openly writing communications to both Qantas and Mr Alexander.
The events of the past week or so clearly indicate which half of the FAAA works for its members..and it certainly isn't the current officials of the S/H FAAA...people who are so out of touch, that 90% of their virgin members have repudiated them in a humiliating public manner by rejecting the proposed EBA.
It should be clear to members of the FAAA in the Domestic Division of the FAAA , that the time has come to sweep aside the current out of touch officials. THEY ARE TOO COSY WITH QANTAS..... THAT SHOULD BE CLEAR TO EVERYONE NOW.
Perhaps serious people with integrity who would like to stand in upcoming Domestic FAAA elections should come forward...organise yourselves ..and even perhaps talk to officials in the L/H FAAA about joint tickets for example???
A big broom is required to finally sweep away a completely out of touch group of officials and senior staff in the Domestic FAAA.
Finally in relation to some ill informed propaganda about overseas bases in L/H.... the FAAA L/H officials managed to negotiate a cap in 2004 when the previous cap died...furthermore..overseas bases were actively opposed as compared to the senior officials of the Domestic FAAA who not only supported the Company's actions over overseas bases by immediately agreeing to the retention of seniority for their crew going to London..thereby undermining the L/H position not to grant seniority...but the current Domestic head of the FAAA went up there herself.
Also Domestic FAAA in conjunction with Qantas..in the most deceptive and underhand manner..negotiated a grab of international flying by pretending it was "regional" and "traditional" in nature...imagine the outrage if L/H undecut their conditions to take away domestic flying???
This is the same group of people who in 2003 happily signed up to Geoff Dixons wage freeze and undermined the whole Qantas union position.
Domestic Division FAAA members deserve much better than those who currently "pretend" to represent their interests.
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I've not had the differences that LL is referring to and wholeheartedly agree.
A single Union looking out for the long term interests of ALL flight attendants.
What a novel idea.......
A single Union looking out for the long term interests of ALL flight attendants.
What a novel idea.......
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MAM casuals are being affected by the actions of Qantas.
Everyone should read page 24 of todays (sat 21 April 2007) sydney morning herald........ interesting and fascinating from many aspects.
No wonder Qantas is furious over the press coverage and MAM and the S/H FAAA are ducking for cover.
Everyone should read page 24 of todays (sat 21 April 2007) sydney morning herald........ interesting and fascinating from many aspects.
No wonder Qantas is furious over the press coverage and MAM and the S/H FAAA are ducking for cover.
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Have to agree with others in wholeheartedly endorsing your post Eden.
Well Done.
After reading the SMH about the "goings on" in the S/H division ....its enough to make one puke
They are a disgrace. The whole MAM /FAAA -S/H thing still has the wiff of Sheer Nylon, as it was her who cobbled this cosy arrangement together with NG,MA and JP. She is still probably on a commission from MA.
I'm thinking that the FAAA-L/H should open up their membership to disgruntled SHORT HAULERS. They already have a good start....-more than 250 ex LONG HAULERS in the Perth Base are ready to jump ship from S/H FAAA -NOW !!! Friends of mine over there are so jacked off with the numbers of Casuals that they are going to bail.....and as usual WA is "out of sight out of mind".
Qantas must be loving this. Union Disunity is exactly what APA want.
The only way we are going to have any hope of pushing back the Wage/Condition Cuts Tsunami is to bat with the one team against QF.If this happened it would be:
GAME ON.
Well Done.
After reading the SMH about the "goings on" in the S/H division ....its enough to make one puke
They are a disgrace. The whole MAM /FAAA -S/H thing still has the wiff of Sheer Nylon, as it was her who cobbled this cosy arrangement together with NG,MA and JP. She is still probably on a commission from MA.
I'm thinking that the FAAA-L/H should open up their membership to disgruntled SHORT HAULERS. They already have a good start....-more than 250 ex LONG HAULERS in the Perth Base are ready to jump ship from S/H FAAA -NOW !!! Friends of mine over there are so jacked off with the numbers of Casuals that they are going to bail.....and as usual WA is "out of sight out of mind".
Qantas must be loving this. Union Disunity is exactly what APA want.
The only way we are going to have any hope of pushing back the Wage/Condition Cuts Tsunami is to bat with the one team against QF.If this happened it would be:
GAME ON.