all very interesting stuff and its relative to a perception of reality we all have and what that perception is ie. for example DEFCON4 may have their shirts ironed for them by their mum who they live with and that way its easier to iron them in the hotels,more time to concentrate on how to fly the plane as a second officier cool! god knows every other day i iron a b/shirt for my hubbey.i guess its one way for DEFCON4 to profess an insecurity on this site.but, the reallity of real and whats happpening is i suppose is facts!!!!!!!!! talk to some degree and the facts!!!!!!!!!!!! speak for them selfs would you not think!!!!!!!!!!!!!!gigs 2 unions = 1 the facts say very suss!!!!!!!!!!!!gigs