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And thats exactly the problem.
I was a QF customer, I will never be a Jetpox customer.
Jetpox have taken over the QF routes I utilise I no longer have the choice to travel QF.
My choice is to travel TIGER to Singapore and then find another real airline from there onto........
I was a QF customer, I will never be a Jetpox customer.
Jetpox have taken over the QF routes I utilise I no longer have the choice to travel QF.
My choice is to travel TIGER to Singapore and then find another real airline from there onto........
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Jetstar passengers have shown (by flying Jetstar at the start) that they dont care what the airline is called, they just want a cheap and regular way to get from A to B.
Qantas has a huge amount of goodwill throughout the entire WORLD - my prediction? Once the QF board have downsized the mainline old schoolers who are on extortionate pay scales and conditions, and have the majority of their QF workforce as MAM - they will simply rebrand Jetstar back into the qantas livery, with all the 'service' that jetstar currently offers. More likely,they will just offer all the remaining QF crew the option of taking the current JQ EBAs or becoming a Casual. Then, once Qantas has again reinvented itself, and significantly reduced its cost structure so dramatically, it will start a NEW low cost carrier which will, by that time be able to undercut even the cheapest JQ fares. Really, how else, if you were QF management, could you significantly reduce the entire airlines cost structure in such a short amount of time without losing goodwill from the passengers?
remember, its only the staff that seem to hate management (QF AND JQ) - the passengers couldnt give a ****!
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When Jetstar Int was launched I did a quick comparison of MEL to BKK fares, between JQ and TG. The fares were roughly the same, but that was with no frills ordered on Jetstar. Also if you have a connection ex BKK, if you travel with Jetstar you have to overnight.
The only way I can see Jetstar being good value for anyone, is if you get a really cheap seat in one of their sales. A Thai friend of mine got one of their launch fares for about $300-400 return MEL-BKK. This is hard to beat, but on their everyday fares there is better value for money out there.
The only way I can see Jetstar being good value for anyone, is if you get a really cheap seat in one of their sales. A Thai friend of mine got one of their launch fares for about $300-400 return MEL-BKK. This is hard to beat, but on their everyday fares there is better value for money out there.
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I think the point from Schlonghaul is that the J* myth is being unraveled at last.
They have told us that they are cutting staff costs so that the punter will enjoy cheaper travel.The Ads that Schlonghaul mentions prove otherwise.
The whole exercise that has been called J* does not achieve cheaper seats for the punter nor does it achieve any sort of satisfactory profit for the QF group.In fact J* has not even contributed 2% to the total group profit.
As peuce has mentioned in regard to the product ,the company has been pretty shabby.If Darth had spent the same amount of money on improving the QF product instead of setting up J* he would almost certainly made more than 1.6% of total profit.
Longjohn,if the company continues to treat both it’s Australian employees and the travelling Australian public the same way then I believe that SQ deserves to get all the business it can.
To be honest I would much rather spend my money on VB or SQ or any other airline I choose than contribute to Darths bonus.
They have told us that they are cutting staff costs so that the punter will enjoy cheaper travel.The Ads that Schlonghaul mentions prove otherwise.
The whole exercise that has been called J* does not achieve cheaper seats for the punter nor does it achieve any sort of satisfactory profit for the QF group.In fact J* has not even contributed 2% to the total group profit.
As peuce has mentioned in regard to the product ,the company has been pretty shabby.If Darth had spent the same amount of money on improving the QF product instead of setting up J* he would almost certainly made more than 1.6% of total profit.
Longjohn,if the company continues to treat both it’s Australian employees and the travelling Australian public the same way then I believe that SQ deserves to get all the business it can.
To be honest I would much rather spend my money on VB or SQ or any other airline I choose than contribute to Darths bonus.
Some interesting information ....
Firstly, I wanted to test the COST issue. On the internet, I randomly selected a return flight SYD/HNL .. out 1/2/07, back 10/2/07. Here are the results for the cheapest fares(incl taxes, but not food purchaes) available on the Airlines' sites:
QANTAS
Economy $1693
Business $9358
JESTSTAR
Economy $1267
Star Class $2547
So, obviously, for this specific example, Jetstar provides a cheaper option ... with at least a 99.9% chance of getting there safely. I'm sure you can find other examples that don't weigh up... but I haven't got the energy to look.
MORE INTERESTINGLY, guess which aircraft runs both Economy outbound flights? Yes, Jetstar A330. (The Economy return leg for QANTAS is on a flight through Nadi.)
EVEN MORE INTRESTINGLY, guess which aircraft runs BOTH Business class legs for QANTAS? Yes, Jetstar A330. So, for $9358 you get Jetstar Star Class seating. That would be a shock as you walked out of the Qantas Club ???
Firstly, I wanted to test the COST issue. On the internet, I randomly selected a return flight SYD/HNL .. out 1/2/07, back 10/2/07. Here are the results for the cheapest fares(incl taxes, but not food purchaes) available on the Airlines' sites:
QANTAS
Economy $1693
Business $9358
JESTSTAR
Economy $1267
Star Class $2547
So, obviously, for this specific example, Jetstar provides a cheaper option ... with at least a 99.9% chance of getting there safely. I'm sure you can find other examples that don't weigh up... but I haven't got the energy to look.
MORE INTERESTINGLY, guess which aircraft runs both Economy outbound flights? Yes, Jetstar A330. (The Economy return leg for QANTAS is on a flight through Nadi.)
EVEN MORE INTRESTINGLY, guess which aircraft runs BOTH Business class legs for QANTAS? Yes, Jetstar A330. So, for $9358 you get Jetstar Star Class seating. That would be a shock as you walked out of the Qantas Club ???
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Longjohn, aviation is global, with the amount of pilots that move between airlines..JQ and QF guys now leaving for CX, Japan, EK etc I don't think people view it as a big deal...
I never said the public are less savvy...merely pointing out the amount of spin and crap Jetstar have to put out to generate business.
Your last point is interesting...Jetstar Int have not proved themselves yet, they may not be successfull, albeit unless QF pump mega amounts of dough into them and lets face it..after the cost base is lowered far enough who says the yeild may not be there under a QF red tail brand?
I never said the public are less savvy...merely pointing out the amount of spin and crap Jetstar have to put out to generate business.
Your last point is interesting...Jetstar Int have not proved themselves yet, they may not be successfull, albeit unless QF pump mega amounts of dough into them and lets face it..after the cost base is lowered far enough who says the yeild may not be there under a QF red tail brand?
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No Rennuurrp, not suggesting that it is as good as Q/Link. But having flown alot with VB and Jet*, I reckon their service is identical, save the odd crappy cabin crew, and Vbs prices are usually alot closer to QF than Jet*
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and Vbs prices are usually alot closer to QF than Jet*
Where DJ and QF compete head to head, guess what, the lower fares are generally comparable.
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TAA & Ansett?
Crap! Where DJ and JQ compete head to head, the prices are almost always identical and specials are almost always matched. Just do a bit of a comparision to some of the holiday destinations in QLD.
Where DJ and QF compete head to head, guess what, the lower fares are generally comparable.
Where DJ and QF compete head to head, guess what, the lower fares are generally comparable.
Sounds to me like there's a two airline policy in place??!! Ahhh the good old days!!
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Leane and Peuce,
Both of these appear to be attempts to push Q customers onto J*. Once those at the top have managed this, the figures about J* 'success' won't lie. Its easier to knock down and build from scratch than to change what's already there; this is the knocking down...
Both of these appear to be attempts to push Q customers onto J*. Once those at the top have managed this, the figures about J* 'success' won't lie. Its easier to knock down and build from scratch than to change what's already there; this is the knocking down...
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Hey Murga, you're right, checked AD to DN,CG and SY, VB only 10-20% dearer, except where the VB CG fare is via ML.
Thats mid feb next year, no sale prices.
Try getting yer facts straight
Thats mid feb next year, no sale prices.
Try getting yer facts straight
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It's interesting to note that even QF Chairman's Lounge members who used to fly QF J class internationally would rather travel to SIN on Tiger Airways at 0300 than Jetstar Asia at 1650 despite the "convenience" of daily schedules. 
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I generally tend to fly with Virgin because their fares are cheaper, and the flights more frequent. J* tends to have slightly cheaper fares or excellent deals, but you get the choice between what, two flights a day on the sectors I fly the most: Mel-Bne and Bne-Mel. Virgin tends to fly about every hour and a hlaf or something, but they are always loads more frequent.
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Hi, Yes regarding some previous posts regarding the cost including the taxes. travelling in Asia anyway, you will find cheaper options than Jetstar, I have studied numerous destinations and dates and ignoring the sale seats, in general Singapore Airlines, Malaysian Airlines, Garuda, Air Pacific in that order are cheaper than Jet* Price. And dare I say the service would be better, or should I say "And of course the service will be better!" Yes it is true that the other Airlines may have a stop-over but hey if your travelling with Budget in mind who cares? People will do it to save a buck. But its not about the bottom line price its the spin and the attempt to make Jet* the cheapest option in peoples PERCEPTION rather than fact. A Brain washing technique to alter the publics perception of the Airline ie "What do you mean its Jetstar? It has to be the cheapest Airline?" I had a mate travel to Melbourne earlier this year and he called me up and said he was going to buy a $129 one way ticket JetStar to Melbourne(Avalon) from Brisbane, and seemed pretty pleased about it. I asked him "Have you checked other Airlines?" His response was "Well its Jetstar should be cheapest right?" After he checked he got a $89 one way ticket to Melbourne with Qantas, haha, he couldnt believe it!!
Interesting times lets see how Jet* go after the holiday season ends..
Interesting times lets see how Jet* go after the holiday season ends..
I travel on Jetstar, Qantas, Virgin, America West, Alaska Airlines, Hawaiian Airlines, Harmony Airlines etc etc. I pick the flight that provides the best value, schedule & comfort ... for my particular travelling date.
The example I picked was from a random date and the fares are correct. As I said, I am sure you could pick another date and possibly find the reverse oucome.
My point is ... those that say that Jetstar don't have cheper flights once you take into account taxes etc ... are purely sprouting generalisations. My example proves that.
Jetstar is just one of the options available when planning a trip. Sometimes it will be the airline selected (for all the reasons stated above) sometimes it won't. But what tips it a bit MY way is the Star Class option.
Qantas don't have a comparable product. Virgin do, Blue Zone ... but they don't fly on the routes I'm looking at. Air New Zealand does, so I take them into consideration.
You can choose whoever you like to fly with. I'm just offering my thoughts on how I choose.
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To peuce and others who believe that J* is the way to go had better hope that your baggage will not go astray.
In their ever ending quest to lower costs J* has announced that when a passengers baggage goes astray will be referred to a number in India.
The cost of handling this inquiry in Australia is $1.80 whereas it is only $0.05 in India.
I can just see this after a friend was trying to deal with a tech support issue for his computer with the phone center located in India.
""J* baggage handling can I help you sir" .."Can you tell me your name please"
"Ahh yes my name is papazoglopous ..initial C for Con"
"Sir ...let me repeat your name.... is ...Paper ..what..."
'No Papazoglopou...P...A...P...A...Z
Anyway..you get my drift....Another great step forward for J* but not for the customer
In their ever ending quest to lower costs J* has announced that when a passengers baggage goes astray will be referred to a number in India.
The cost of handling this inquiry in Australia is $1.80 whereas it is only $0.05 in India.
I can just see this after a friend was trying to deal with a tech support issue for his computer with the phone center located in India.
""J* baggage handling can I help you sir" .."Can you tell me your name please"
"Ahh yes my name is papazoglopous ..initial C for Con"
"Sir ...let me repeat your name.... is ...Paper ..what..."
'No Papazoglopou...P...A...P...A...Z
Anyway..you get my drift....Another great step forward for J* but not for the customer
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As pointed out by Leanne Jet* international prices are advertised without taxes.
Check out a fare to Bali where taxes amount to around $300. This certainly changes the fare from cheap to no different to what was previously available.
$300 taxes on a short international flight is bullsh*t. Australian Airlines were not adding $300 to their fares.
Methinks Jet* are indulging in some imaginative advertising with these so called cheap fares. Why not advertise $50 tickets to Bali with a $500 tax.
It might get a few suckers in.
Its a bit like a service station advertising petrol for 70 cents a litre, plus taxes. Despite this the ACCC think this is OK. As long as its in the fine print its OK.
Check out a fare to Bali where taxes amount to around $300. This certainly changes the fare from cheap to no different to what was previously available.
$300 taxes on a short international flight is bullsh*t. Australian Airlines were not adding $300 to their fares.
Methinks Jet* are indulging in some imaginative advertising with these so called cheap fares. Why not advertise $50 tickets to Bali with a $500 tax.
It might get a few suckers in.
Its a bit like a service station advertising petrol for 70 cents a litre, plus taxes. Despite this the ACCC think this is OK. As long as its in the fine print its OK.