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Here's a tip, Qantas mainline paying for endorsements within 2 years!!
No, I'll go out even further on a limb and say before the intrduction of the A-380.
Cheers, HH.
No, I'll go out even further on a limb and say before the intrduction of the A-380.
Cheers, HH.
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All these companies are only looking at the short-term bottom line.
Fewer entrants into the industry will be the result, and those already in the industry will go offshore where there is a shortage of aircrew (Ozies ARE well regarded) & there are still companies that accept the cost of training and some don’t even bond you.
Even though I have been with this company a long time. I am headed offshore rather than pay big dollars for progression within this company and the privilege of staying in Oz. (The math no longer works) It’s very disheartening.
Fewer entrants into the industry will be the result, and those already in the industry will go offshore where there is a shortage of aircrew (Ozies ARE well regarded) & there are still companies that accept the cost of training and some don’t even bond you.
Even though I have been with this company a long time. I am headed offshore rather than pay big dollars for progression within this company and the privilege of staying in Oz. (The math no longer works) It’s very disheartening.
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Howard, gidday.
Would love to see AIPA react to that one.
At present the exeutive group are about as popular as a turd in a swimming pool with the members. What a giggle if Dikko's boys decided on A380 endorsements being paid for by the jockeys.
But then this is only a rumour outlet.
Would love to see AIPA react to that one.
At present the exeutive group are about as popular as a turd in a swimming pool with the members. What a giggle if Dikko's boys decided on A380 endorsements being paid for by the jockeys.
But then this is only a rumour outlet.
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So if I am correct:
A$25 to apply through Pilot Staff Cv
A$195 for apptitude
A$49 for crim check
A$150 for sim
Total $420. Ohh wait, what about travel expenses to and from the interview and accomodation for the duration??
And then maybe, if you get in:
A$25000 for Type Rating.
But wait, you get to earn a massive $45000 in return to fly a Dash 8. With that you then have to pay the loan of and save for a jet rating at the same time, not to mention money to live.
Dont know about you, but I am real sick of Qantas having the monopoly here in Australia. Basically, if you cant past their magic apptitude testing and fit their unique profile, you eliminate like %85 of your chance to work on the east coast of Oz flying anything descent.
SHAZZAM.
A$25 to apply through Pilot Staff Cv
A$195 for apptitude
A$49 for crim check
A$150 for sim
Total $420. Ohh wait, what about travel expenses to and from the interview and accomodation for the duration??
And then maybe, if you get in:
A$25000 for Type Rating.
But wait, you get to earn a massive $45000 in return to fly a Dash 8. With that you then have to pay the loan of and save for a jet rating at the same time, not to mention money to live.
Dont know about you, but I am real sick of Qantas having the monopoly here in Australia. Basically, if you cant past their magic apptitude testing and fit their unique profile, you eliminate like %85 of your chance to work on the east coast of Oz flying anything descent.
SHAZZAM.
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If it costs about the same for a 737, a320 and a DASH 8 ($25,000) what would you do????
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Paying for an endorsement
I am not an advocate for paying for an endorsement. It is however here.
Qlink are however protecting themselves from early attrition. My understanding of the arrangement is that a rention bonus will be paid over the first 2-3 years of service for self funded candidates. This covers them if the candidate fails or if they piss off to another mob before the retention period is up.
Anyone holding the argument that they may as well hold off and buy a jet endosement pretty much sum up the reasons for the introduction of this process. If you don't beleive you will be able to provide 2-3 years of service then they are obviously not the employer for you. You both win really they don't have an early leaver and you won't be out of pocket.
Qlink are however protecting themselves from early attrition. My understanding of the arrangement is that a rention bonus will be paid over the first 2-3 years of service for self funded candidates. This covers them if the candidate fails or if they piss off to another mob before the retention period is up.
Anyone holding the argument that they may as well hold off and buy a jet endosement pretty much sum up the reasons for the introduction of this process. If you don't beleive you will be able to provide 2-3 years of service then they are obviously not the employer for you. You both win really they don't have an early leaver and you won't be out of pocket.
I'm sure that many others have also received this from PilotstffCV.com, but here it is anyway. A sad day, really, but at least if some of the lower rungs get made less attractive, and GA is taxed into extinction, there may yet eventually be a REAL shortgae of pilots (in my lifetime!)
31 March 2005
RE: Change in Eastern Australia Airlines' recruitment process
QantasLink has recently reviewed its procedures for First Officer Initial Pilot training. As a result new pilot recruits will be required to possess a Dash 8 endorsement as a pre-employment qualification.
The review highlighted the fact that this process is in line with industry practice and will allow QantasLink to better meet its overall pilot recruitment requirements.
QantasLink First Officer initial training (that is, the Dash 8 Ground School and Simulator Training) has traditionally been conducted in house by the company after a First Officer has been formally employed.
We wish to advise you that from May 2005, Eastern Australia Airlines will be changing their recruitment criteria. From this date First Officer initial training will be conducted by a Preferred Training Supplier and will be required as a pre-employment qualification. Consequently the majority of the cost of the Endorsement Program will be borne by the applicant. However a component of the cost will be subsidised by Eastern.
The actual recruitment process is unchanged (and is detailed on StaffCV). If you are successful through the process you will receive a letter advising that you have been placed on Active Hold.
When the next intake is required Eastern, will contact pilots on Active Hold and advise them of a Ground School date. A Conditional Letter of Employment (CLOE) will support this process. Essentially the CLOE states that you have a job with QantasLink provided you have satisfied the condition of a Dash 8 Endorsement on your pilot's licence.
We are aware that these changes may affect your interest in working for Eastern. If you are no longer interested in applying for employment with us please remove your application from StaffCV.
Yours sincerely,
Captain Mark Davey
Flight Operations Manager and Chief Pilot
Eastern Australia Airlines Pty Ltd
ABN 77 001 599 024
View Eastern StaffCV.com
QANTASLINK SELF FUNDED DASH 8 ENDORSEMENT
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
1 - How will the system work? The recruitment process as we currently know it will remain unchanged up to the point when a candidate is successful and placed on Active Hold. When a vacancy exists the pilot is advised and is provided with a Conditional Letter of Employment (CLOE) that is dependent upon having a valid Dash 8 Endorsement. We will have arrangements with a training provider who will be able to offer a Dash 8 Endorsement at competitive rates. We can also offer competitive finance with the Qantas Credit Union should it be required.
2 - What if I already have a Dash 8 endorsement? In instances such as these, QantasLink will provide in house simulator training at the expense of QantasLink to bridge any training gaps.
3 - Why has QantasLink created such a system? The "pay for your own endorsement" is very much an industry norm. This change will enable QantasLink to continue to contend successfully in a highly competitive market.
4 - How much will the endorsement cost me? At this point in time we are working with a number of potential suppliers to select a preferred supplier that will enable us to offer a subsided endorsement program. On this basis we expect the cost range to be $13,000 to $18,000 per endorsement.
5 - What if I fail the endorsement? Do I get my money back?
No
6 - Would I have a guaranteed job once I have the Endorsement? Yes, provided you have successfully been through our recruitment process and been issued a Conditional Letter of Employment. Once this is satisfied the Letter of Employment becomes active and you are provided with a full time job as a Dash 8 First Officer with QantasLink.
7 - What if I struggle through the training and require extra training in the Sim? Will this effect my employment and cost extra money? Your position as a First Officer is secure pending satisfactory completion of the Dash 8 endorsement training. By satisfactory, we mean that you progress at a rate within expected norms. QantasLink will be following your progress and be aware of any additional training requirements. If extra training is required it must be at the candidate's expense. This will be paid to the course provider and be visible on your training record.
8 - What if I have trouble during Line Training? Does the company assist me in getting through? From the commencement of Line Training you are a full employee. Normal processes will be applied to any candidates who struggle to achieve standards at this point.
9 - Would I be expected to resign from my current job in order to commence the Dash 8 ground school and endorsement training? Not at all, you are welcome to maintain your present employment right up until you commence employment with QantasLink and begin your Line Training.
10 - Could I source my own endorsement? The endorsement program we recommend is subsidised by QantasLink. Additionally, the QantasLink recommended program trains you to our procedures and standards. If a candidate were to be trained by an unknown endorsement supplier, any re-training would be at the individual's expense.
11 - Who is the training provider? We are currently going through a tender process to identify a training provider. We anticipate this will be finalised by mid May 2005 and we will advise the location of the training provider on StaffCV at that time.
12 - Will there also be a bond associated with the system? There is no bond associated with the system. A candidate is free to leave at any point in either the pre-employment or post-employment stage.
13 - Why Self Funded Training and not a bond? Bonds only serve to protect a company against insufficient return of service and poor return on investment.
14 - Do the minimum criteria for consideration as a pilot differ under the Self Funded Training model? The minimum criteria and indeed, the recruitment process, remains unchanged under the Self Funded Model.
15 - Would I get an allowances whilst under training? No, QantasLink will not be providing any remuneration prior to employment
31 March 2005
RE: Change in Eastern Australia Airlines' recruitment process
QantasLink has recently reviewed its procedures for First Officer Initial Pilot training. As a result new pilot recruits will be required to possess a Dash 8 endorsement as a pre-employment qualification.
The review highlighted the fact that this process is in line with industry practice and will allow QantasLink to better meet its overall pilot recruitment requirements.
QantasLink First Officer initial training (that is, the Dash 8 Ground School and Simulator Training) has traditionally been conducted in house by the company after a First Officer has been formally employed.
We wish to advise you that from May 2005, Eastern Australia Airlines will be changing their recruitment criteria. From this date First Officer initial training will be conducted by a Preferred Training Supplier and will be required as a pre-employment qualification. Consequently the majority of the cost of the Endorsement Program will be borne by the applicant. However a component of the cost will be subsidised by Eastern.
The actual recruitment process is unchanged (and is detailed on StaffCV). If you are successful through the process you will receive a letter advising that you have been placed on Active Hold.
When the next intake is required Eastern, will contact pilots on Active Hold and advise them of a Ground School date. A Conditional Letter of Employment (CLOE) will support this process. Essentially the CLOE states that you have a job with QantasLink provided you have satisfied the condition of a Dash 8 Endorsement on your pilot's licence.
We are aware that these changes may affect your interest in working for Eastern. If you are no longer interested in applying for employment with us please remove your application from StaffCV.
Yours sincerely,
Captain Mark Davey
Flight Operations Manager and Chief Pilot
Eastern Australia Airlines Pty Ltd
ABN 77 001 599 024
View Eastern StaffCV.com
QANTASLINK SELF FUNDED DASH 8 ENDORSEMENT
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
1 - How will the system work? The recruitment process as we currently know it will remain unchanged up to the point when a candidate is successful and placed on Active Hold. When a vacancy exists the pilot is advised and is provided with a Conditional Letter of Employment (CLOE) that is dependent upon having a valid Dash 8 Endorsement. We will have arrangements with a training provider who will be able to offer a Dash 8 Endorsement at competitive rates. We can also offer competitive finance with the Qantas Credit Union should it be required.
2 - What if I already have a Dash 8 endorsement? In instances such as these, QantasLink will provide in house simulator training at the expense of QantasLink to bridge any training gaps.
3 - Why has QantasLink created such a system? The "pay for your own endorsement" is very much an industry norm. This change will enable QantasLink to continue to contend successfully in a highly competitive market.
4 - How much will the endorsement cost me? At this point in time we are working with a number of potential suppliers to select a preferred supplier that will enable us to offer a subsided endorsement program. On this basis we expect the cost range to be $13,000 to $18,000 per endorsement.
5 - What if I fail the endorsement? Do I get my money back?
No
6 - Would I have a guaranteed job once I have the Endorsement? Yes, provided you have successfully been through our recruitment process and been issued a Conditional Letter of Employment. Once this is satisfied the Letter of Employment becomes active and you are provided with a full time job as a Dash 8 First Officer with QantasLink.
7 - What if I struggle through the training and require extra training in the Sim? Will this effect my employment and cost extra money? Your position as a First Officer is secure pending satisfactory completion of the Dash 8 endorsement training. By satisfactory, we mean that you progress at a rate within expected norms. QantasLink will be following your progress and be aware of any additional training requirements. If extra training is required it must be at the candidate's expense. This will be paid to the course provider and be visible on your training record.
8 - What if I have trouble during Line Training? Does the company assist me in getting through? From the commencement of Line Training you are a full employee. Normal processes will be applied to any candidates who struggle to achieve standards at this point.
9 - Would I be expected to resign from my current job in order to commence the Dash 8 ground school and endorsement training? Not at all, you are welcome to maintain your present employment right up until you commence employment with QantasLink and begin your Line Training.
10 - Could I source my own endorsement? The endorsement program we recommend is subsidised by QantasLink. Additionally, the QantasLink recommended program trains you to our procedures and standards. If a candidate were to be trained by an unknown endorsement supplier, any re-training would be at the individual's expense.
11 - Who is the training provider? We are currently going through a tender process to identify a training provider. We anticipate this will be finalised by mid May 2005 and we will advise the location of the training provider on StaffCV at that time.
12 - Will there also be a bond associated with the system? There is no bond associated with the system. A candidate is free to leave at any point in either the pre-employment or post-employment stage.
13 - Why Self Funded Training and not a bond? Bonds only serve to protect a company against insufficient return of service and poor return on investment.
14 - Do the minimum criteria for consideration as a pilot differ under the Self Funded Training model? The minimum criteria and indeed, the recruitment process, remains unchanged under the Self Funded Model.
15 - Would I get an allowances whilst under training? No, QantasLink will not be providing any remuneration prior to employment
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Who is the training provider? We are currently going through a tender process to identify a training provider. We anticipate this will be finalised by mid May 2005 and we will advise the location of the training provider on StaffCV at that time.
Last time I looked the only operator of a Dash 8 sim in OZ was Qantas.
Last time I looked the only operator of a Dash 8 sim in OZ was Qantas.
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Spot on Jag.
20 hours at say $800 per hour = $16,000
Plus motel on a weekly rate 4x $300 = $1200
Plus a car(rent a bomb)= $500
Plus fuel for car 4 x $30 = $120
Food say at $40 per dayx 28 = $1120
Total: $18,940
That only covers your training, don't forget you still have to pay for all your other bills and if you are a family man you still have to provide for them.
And for that you get a $42,000 a year job living in the most expensive city in Australia. And if you are lucky you may have a command in 3-5 years.
Me thinks REX and the other regionals are about to be flooded with applications and in 12 months time Eastern will be screaming for pilots.
20 hours at say $800 per hour = $16,000
Plus motel on a weekly rate 4x $300 = $1200
Plus a car(rent a bomb)= $500
Plus fuel for car 4 x $30 = $120
Food say at $40 per dayx 28 = $1120
Total: $18,940
That only covers your training, don't forget you still have to pay for all your other bills and if you are a family man you still have to provide for them.
And for that you get a $42,000 a year job living in the most expensive city in Australia. And if you are lucky you may have a command in 3-5 years.
Me thinks REX and the other regionals are about to be flooded with applications and in 12 months time Eastern will be screaming for pilots.
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Food say at $40 per dayx 28 = $1120
One other thing you forgot is that SHOULD the training be in MEL instead of SYD, then you will have to pay to get to MEL as well.
And what GA employer is going to give you 4 weeks off to do a DHC-8 endorsement ?
A "conditional letter of Employment" probably will NOT make the endorsement tax deductable! (not too sure about that)
AND... the most important cost that you have forgotten is BEER!!! who EVEr heard of going 28 days without beer ? and $40 ain't gonna get you maccas AND beer!
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Looks like the same goes at Sunstate.
This was sent to all Sunstate applicants today.
Qantaslink has recently reviewed its procedures for First Officer Initial Pilot training. As a result new pilot recruits will be required to possess a Dash 8 endorsement as a pre-employment qualification.
The review highlighted the fact that this process is in line with industry practice and will allow QantasLink to better meet its overall pilot recruitment requirements.
Qantaslink First Officer initial training (that is, Dash 8 Ground School and Simulator Training) has traditionally been conducted in house by the company after a First Officer has been formally employed.
We wish to advise you that from May 2005, Sunstate Airlines will be changing their recruitment criteria. From this date First Officer initial training will be conducted by a Preferred Training Supplier and will be required as a pre-employment qualification. Consequently the majority of the cost of the Endorsement Program will be borne by the applicant. However a component of the cost will be subsidised by Sunstate.
The Sunstate recruitment process is unchanged. We will contact successful applicants and advise them of a Ground School date. A Conditional Letter of Employment (CLOE) will support this process. Essentially the CLOE states that you have a job with Sunstate Airlines provided you have satisfied the condition of a current Dash 8 Endorsement on your pilot's licence.
We are aware that these changes may affect your interest in working for Sunstate. If you are no longer interested in applying for employment with us please remove your application from StaffCV.
Yours sincerely,
Captain Don Anderson
Flight Operations Manager and Chief Pilot
Sunstate Airlines (Qld) Pty Ltd
ABN 82 009 734 703
View Sunstate StaffCV.com
QANTASLINK SELF FUNDED DASH 8 ENDORSEMENT
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
1 - How will the system work? The recruitment process as we currently know it will remain unchanged up to the point when a candidate is successful and placed on Active Hold. When a vacancy exists the pilot is advised and is provided with a Conditional Letter of Employment (CLOE) that is dependent upon having a valid Dash 8 Endorsement. We will have arrangements with a training provider who will be able to offer a Dash 8 Endorsement at competitive rates. We can also offer competitive finance with the Qantas Credit Union should it be required.
2 - What if I already have a Dash 8 endorsement? In instances such as these, QantasLink will provide in house simulator training at the expense of QantasLink to bridge any training gaps.
3 - Why has QantasLink created such a system? The "pay for your own endorsement" is very much an industry norm. This change will enable QantasLink to continue to contend successfully in a highly competitive market.
4 - How much will the endorsement cost me? At this point in time we are working with a number of potential suppliers to select a preferred supplier that will enable us to offer a subsided endorsement program. On this basis we expect the cost range to be $13,000 to $18,000 per endorsement.
5 - What if I fail the endorsement? Do I get my money back?
No
6 - Would I have a guaranteed job once I have the Endorsement? Yes, provided you have successfully been through our recruitment process and been issued a Conditional Letter of Employment. Once this is satisfied the Letter of Employment becomes active and you are provided with a full time job as a Dash 8 First Officer with QantasLink.
7 - What if I struggle through the training and require extra training in the Sim? Will this effect my employment and cost extra money? Your position as a First Officer is secure pending satisfactory completion of the Dash 8 endorsement training. By satisfactory, we mean that you progress at a rate within expected norms. QantasLink will be following your progress and be aware of any additional training requirements. If extra training is required it must be at the candidate's expense. This will be paid to the course provider and be visible on your training record.
8 - What if I have trouble during Line Training? Does the company assist me in getting through? From the commencement of Line Training you are a full employee. Normal processes will be applied to any candidates who struggle to achieve standards at this point.
9 - Would I be expected to resign from my current job in order to commence the Dash 8 ground school and endorsement training? Not at all, you are welcome to maintain your present employment right up until you commence employment with QantasLink and begin your Line Training.
10 - Could I source my own endorsement? The endorsement program we recommend is subsidised by QantasLink. Additionally, the QantasLink recommended program trains you to our procedures and standards. If a candidate were to be trained by an unknown endorsement supplier, any re-training would be at the individual's expense.
11 - Who is the training provider? We are currently going through a tender process to identify a training provider. We anticipate this will be finalised by mid May 2005 and we will advise the location of the training provider on StaffCV at that time.
12 - Will there also be a bond associated with the system? There is no bond associated with the system. A candidate is free to leave at any point in either the pre-employment or post-employment stage.
13 - Why Self Funded Training and not a bond? Bonds only serve to protect a company against insufficient return of service and poor return on investment.
14 - Do the minimum criteria for consideration as a pilot differ under the Self Funded Training model? The minimum criteria and indeed, the recruitment process, remains unchanged under the Self Funded Model.
15 - Would I get an allowances whilst under training? No, QantasLink will not be providing any remuneration prior to employment
This was sent to all Sunstate applicants today.
Qantaslink has recently reviewed its procedures for First Officer Initial Pilot training. As a result new pilot recruits will be required to possess a Dash 8 endorsement as a pre-employment qualification.
The review highlighted the fact that this process is in line with industry practice and will allow QantasLink to better meet its overall pilot recruitment requirements.
Qantaslink First Officer initial training (that is, Dash 8 Ground School and Simulator Training) has traditionally been conducted in house by the company after a First Officer has been formally employed.
We wish to advise you that from May 2005, Sunstate Airlines will be changing their recruitment criteria. From this date First Officer initial training will be conducted by a Preferred Training Supplier and will be required as a pre-employment qualification. Consequently the majority of the cost of the Endorsement Program will be borne by the applicant. However a component of the cost will be subsidised by Sunstate.
The Sunstate recruitment process is unchanged. We will contact successful applicants and advise them of a Ground School date. A Conditional Letter of Employment (CLOE) will support this process. Essentially the CLOE states that you have a job with Sunstate Airlines provided you have satisfied the condition of a current Dash 8 Endorsement on your pilot's licence.
We are aware that these changes may affect your interest in working for Sunstate. If you are no longer interested in applying for employment with us please remove your application from StaffCV.
Yours sincerely,
Captain Don Anderson
Flight Operations Manager and Chief Pilot
Sunstate Airlines (Qld) Pty Ltd
ABN 82 009 734 703
View Sunstate StaffCV.com
QANTASLINK SELF FUNDED DASH 8 ENDORSEMENT
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
1 - How will the system work? The recruitment process as we currently know it will remain unchanged up to the point when a candidate is successful and placed on Active Hold. When a vacancy exists the pilot is advised and is provided with a Conditional Letter of Employment (CLOE) that is dependent upon having a valid Dash 8 Endorsement. We will have arrangements with a training provider who will be able to offer a Dash 8 Endorsement at competitive rates. We can also offer competitive finance with the Qantas Credit Union should it be required.
2 - What if I already have a Dash 8 endorsement? In instances such as these, QantasLink will provide in house simulator training at the expense of QantasLink to bridge any training gaps.
3 - Why has QantasLink created such a system? The "pay for your own endorsement" is very much an industry norm. This change will enable QantasLink to continue to contend successfully in a highly competitive market.
4 - How much will the endorsement cost me? At this point in time we are working with a number of potential suppliers to select a preferred supplier that will enable us to offer a subsided endorsement program. On this basis we expect the cost range to be $13,000 to $18,000 per endorsement.
5 - What if I fail the endorsement? Do I get my money back?
No
6 - Would I have a guaranteed job once I have the Endorsement? Yes, provided you have successfully been through our recruitment process and been issued a Conditional Letter of Employment. Once this is satisfied the Letter of Employment becomes active and you are provided with a full time job as a Dash 8 First Officer with QantasLink.
7 - What if I struggle through the training and require extra training in the Sim? Will this effect my employment and cost extra money? Your position as a First Officer is secure pending satisfactory completion of the Dash 8 endorsement training. By satisfactory, we mean that you progress at a rate within expected norms. QantasLink will be following your progress and be aware of any additional training requirements. If extra training is required it must be at the candidate's expense. This will be paid to the course provider and be visible on your training record.
8 - What if I have trouble during Line Training? Does the company assist me in getting through? From the commencement of Line Training you are a full employee. Normal processes will be applied to any candidates who struggle to achieve standards at this point.
9 - Would I be expected to resign from my current job in order to commence the Dash 8 ground school and endorsement training? Not at all, you are welcome to maintain your present employment right up until you commence employment with QantasLink and begin your Line Training.
10 - Could I source my own endorsement? The endorsement program we recommend is subsidised by QantasLink. Additionally, the QantasLink recommended program trains you to our procedures and standards. If a candidate were to be trained by an unknown endorsement supplier, any re-training would be at the individual's expense.
11 - Who is the training provider? We are currently going through a tender process to identify a training provider. We anticipate this will be finalised by mid May 2005 and we will advise the location of the training provider on StaffCV at that time.
12 - Will there also be a bond associated with the system? There is no bond associated with the system. A candidate is free to leave at any point in either the pre-employment or post-employment stage.
13 - Why Self Funded Training and not a bond? Bonds only serve to protect a company against insufficient return of service and poor return on investment.
14 - Do the minimum criteria for consideration as a pilot differ under the Self Funded Training model? The minimum criteria and indeed, the recruitment process, remains unchanged under the Self Funded Model.
15 - Would I get an allowances whilst under training? No, QantasLink will not be providing any remuneration prior to employment
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A modest family of 4 will chew through about $800 per week during your training (4 weeks at least). Add that to No worries mates $19,000.
Factor in loss of income over this period: $3-4,000.
No entitlement to dole either.
Ya looking at coming up with around $27,000 to tide you over during this period.
Dont forget to add in the opportunity cost on $27,000. Or the interest if you borrow.
All of a sudden, Q-Link is starting to seem like a very bad deal.
Put another way, let's just say on your $42,000 ya manage to SAVE $2000 per year (yeah, I know , stop laughing. No chance with a wife at part-time work, 2 kids and a $150,000 mortgage)IT WILL TAKE 15 YEARS TO RE-SAVE YOUR OUTLAY. F#$%^ that!! Use the money to self-train into a career that gives a decent return.
I love the way that these management jerks now expect pilots to continually part with more and more of the family wealth to add to their BoNu$ and subsidise the companies operation. I hope that no Q-LINk pilots have subsequent financial worries that distract them from keeping their mind on the job!
I heard from a Delta pilot in FRT some time ago that Delta Connetion pilots were so badly paid that they were eligible for welfare assistance if they had kids. When one guy did ask for his entitlements the manager's ( presumably as a measure of their 'decency') put out a memo that any Delta Connection pilot who claimed welfare would be sacked!!
Evidently these managers were very worried that the public might actually find out about the sh!t conditions that they gave their staff. Shame that the same concern did not extend to their pilots who were working 2 jobs (now common with even mainline US carriers) in order to put bread on the table!
Factor in loss of income over this period: $3-4,000.
No entitlement to dole either.
Ya looking at coming up with around $27,000 to tide you over during this period.
Dont forget to add in the opportunity cost on $27,000. Or the interest if you borrow.
All of a sudden, Q-Link is starting to seem like a very bad deal.
Put another way, let's just say on your $42,000 ya manage to SAVE $2000 per year (yeah, I know , stop laughing. No chance with a wife at part-time work, 2 kids and a $150,000 mortgage)IT WILL TAKE 15 YEARS TO RE-SAVE YOUR OUTLAY. F#$%^ that!! Use the money to self-train into a career that gives a decent return.
I love the way that these management jerks now expect pilots to continually part with more and more of the family wealth to add to their BoNu$ and subsidise the companies operation. I hope that no Q-LINk pilots have subsequent financial worries that distract them from keeping their mind on the job!
I heard from a Delta pilot in FRT some time ago that Delta Connetion pilots were so badly paid that they were eligible for welfare assistance if they had kids. When one guy did ask for his entitlements the manager's ( presumably as a measure of their 'decency') put out a memo that any Delta Connection pilot who claimed welfare would be sacked!!
Evidently these managers were very worried that the public might actually find out about the sh!t conditions that they gave their staff. Shame that the same concern did not extend to their pilots who were working 2 jobs (now common with even mainline US carriers) in order to put bread on the table!