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I would never condone anyone holding any employer to "randsome" or ransom either. You are not helping engage your employer in professional solutions to this problem by this kind of behaviour.
The best thing to do is have contract language in your next bargaining session to prevent this, as my union has done.
The best thing to do is have contract language in your next bargaining session to prevent this, as my union has done.
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....and Aussie guys are whinging in Emirates!!!!! They obviously have lost touch with what a miserable state Dixon has turned aviation carreers into down under.
Being obstructive won't change a thing, the company have dealt with that type of passive protest for a long time. Dixon makes Strong look like a family councellor when it comes to giving a damn.
Seize the day and make a huge effort guys to get outta Oz away from restrictive industrial policies and the worlds 3rd highest taxed country.
Being obstructive won't change a thing, the company have dealt with that type of passive protest for a long time. Dixon makes Strong look like a family councellor when it comes to giving a damn.
Seize the day and make a huge effort guys to get outta Oz away from restrictive industrial policies and the worlds 3rd highest taxed country.
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This scenario is getting ridiculous. It is time Pilots grew some back bone and just not accepted this as a reasonable offer of employment. Pay for your endorsement and be paid peanuts! The more folks accept this the more employers will force the conditions down.
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Paying for a pre-employent endorsement for the likes of Jetstar and Virgin is bad enough. Paying to fly for Qlink is just ridiculous.
We need to get tough on this and start a concerted co-ordinated action.
If every pilot writes to Qlink and withdraws their application this will quickly bring things to a head. Who do they think they will employ. Do you really think pilots from overseas will re-locate to Australia to fly for Qlink and be paid FO wages on our tax schedules.
The same goes for Virgin and Jetstar. Just withdraw your application. Just say NO. Once the airlines realise that they cannot get people to fly for them, that pilots from O/S either won't come or even if some pilots do come from will leave once a job opens in the own country. This pox on the oz avaition scene will dissappear.
We need to get tough on this and start a concerted co-ordinated action.
If every pilot writes to Qlink and withdraws their application this will quickly bring things to a head. Who do they think they will employ. Do you really think pilots from overseas will re-locate to Australia to fly for Qlink and be paid FO wages on our tax schedules.
The same goes for Virgin and Jetstar. Just withdraw your application. Just say NO. Once the airlines realise that they cannot get people to fly for them, that pilots from O/S either won't come or even if some pilots do come from will leave once a job opens in the own country. This pox on the oz avaition scene will dissappear.
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MrWooby from MrBuzzy..... I like it.
As tight as your plan seems, you appear to be forgetting that there are still plenty of pilots that have been overseas for a considerable amount of time, have made plenty of money and would just love to come home. I agree with you, paying for an endorsement is far from ideal but look at how effective the CX ban has been.
Personally, I don't mind the idea of a bond or training wage or whatever you call it. It would certainly take a brave person to refuse a job based on a tax deductible training fee knowing full well that dozens are lined up overseas just waiting for a chance to return to OZ.
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As tight as your plan seems, you appear to be forgetting that there are still plenty of pilots that have been overseas for a considerable amount of time, have made plenty of money and would just love to come home. I agree with you, paying for an endorsement is far from ideal but look at how effective the CX ban has been.
Personally, I don't mind the idea of a bond or training wage or whatever you call it. It would certainly take a brave person to refuse a job based on a tax deductible training fee knowing full well that dozens are lined up overseas just waiting for a chance to return to OZ.
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Oh really Mr Buzzy?
So you've seen these resumes? So you're a management clown trying to convert the masses are you?
"Welcome to white slavery ladies and gentlemen, your master...Mr Buzzy!"
"First up...how to destroy your finances and put yourselves in the poor house, while funding your own training to fly an overgrown weed-whacker with wings!"
So you've seen these resumes? So you're a management clown trying to convert the masses are you?
"Welcome to white slavery ladies and gentlemen, your master...Mr Buzzy!"
"First up...how to destroy your finances and put yourselves in the poor house, while funding your own training to fly an overgrown weed-whacker with wings!"
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Yes there are probably some pilots o/s who would like to return to fly for Jetstar / Virgin but that number must be dwindling by now. But who in their right mind would want to return to fly a Dash 8. Capt Davey from Easterns would not have wanted this, he is a reasonable guy, but unfortunately his hands are tied from above.
Qlink are basically out of their minds. Lets see, pay for your own endorsement, earn about 42,000 per year as an FO, work bloody hard doing 1-2 overnights per week with absolute minimum turnaround overnight flying up to six sectors per day with many early starts. And probably the biggest thing against Qlink is that you give yourself virtually no chance of being employed by Qantas, the only remaining airline paying a decent wage. Sure Qlink / Qantas management will say this is not true, however just look at the numbers. In times of record recruitemnt for QF mainline, there were about 8 pilots hired from Easterns in 2000, and then 1 in late 2004. Basically if you want to fly for QF, DO NOT APPLY TO EASTERNS/SUNSTATE !!!!!
Its too late to stop pay for endorsement in Virgin / Jetstar but not too late for Qlink. Come on AFAP, put on a ban on joing Qlink, recommend that all members withdraw applications. AIPA, you represent some members now, start applying any pressure (which isn't probably very much) you can too.
On a different topic, lets get some unity amongst the pilot groups. For example with the Dash 8 400 coming lets not fight about who is going to fly it. When Easterns ask their pilots how much they will fly it for say (example only) 95K. The same for Sunnies 95K, and National Jet 95K. Will Dixon start another airline to fly the 400 then to undercut everyone else, I don't think so.
Come on guys lets show some balls.
Qlink are basically out of their minds. Lets see, pay for your own endorsement, earn about 42,000 per year as an FO, work bloody hard doing 1-2 overnights per week with absolute minimum turnaround overnight flying up to six sectors per day with many early starts. And probably the biggest thing against Qlink is that you give yourself virtually no chance of being employed by Qantas, the only remaining airline paying a decent wage. Sure Qlink / Qantas management will say this is not true, however just look at the numbers. In times of record recruitemnt for QF mainline, there were about 8 pilots hired from Easterns in 2000, and then 1 in late 2004. Basically if you want to fly for QF, DO NOT APPLY TO EASTERNS/SUNSTATE !!!!!
Its too late to stop pay for endorsement in Virgin / Jetstar but not too late for Qlink. Come on AFAP, put on a ban on joing Qlink, recommend that all members withdraw applications. AIPA, you represent some members now, start applying any pressure (which isn't probably very much) you can too.
On a different topic, lets get some unity amongst the pilot groups. For example with the Dash 8 400 coming lets not fight about who is going to fly it. When Easterns ask their pilots how much they will fly it for say (example only) 95K. The same for Sunnies 95K, and National Jet 95K. Will Dixon start another airline to fly the 400 then to undercut everyone else, I don't think so.
Come on guys lets show some balls.
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I now understand AIPA have over 70 members from Eastern, if Career Progression is to follow maybe paying for a DASH 8 endorsement might not be so bad, are any Sunstate pilots joining AIPA???
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Chris Higgins what planet are you on mate. Many at Q are currently in the throws of negotiating(?) their respective EBA negotiations now. Typically a log of claims is put to the Company and the overwhelming response to those is NO NO NO NO NO adnausium. Why we evan call it an AGREEMENT is beyond me. 3% is yours and you should consider yourself lucky. The rising/sky rocketing price of unleaded/diesel doesn't cover this pathetic amount let alone the surging prices of everything else indirectly related to fuel prices. You can't negotiate anything with this currant crop of empire building,self righteous pack of rseholes.
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Hey hey Norma,
Memories of Kuhli loaches and El toro fuente chateau fuentes! Talk about some great times!
Will chat very soon and hook up for another roast-up!
The best to you!
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Memories of Kuhli loaches and El toro fuente chateau fuentes! Talk about some great times!
Will chat very soon and hook up for another roast-up!
The best to you!
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I cetainly believe you are correct in your assumptions that negotiating terms of an EBA are difficult right now.
Collective Bargaining hasn't ever been easy...I didn't say it was, but you have to show them how you feel about it and explain the financial burdens, lowered morale, smaller choice of quality candidates and potential safety issues and later costs of upgrades.
I cetainly believe you are correct in your assumptions that negotiating terms of an EBA are difficult right now.
Collective Bargaining hasn't ever been easy...I didn't say it was, but you have to show them how you feel about it and explain the financial burdens, lowered morale, smaller choice of quality candidates and potential safety issues and later costs of upgrades.
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Qantas Management don’t give a siht about the employees, you could
“Explain the financial burdens, lowered morale, smaller choice of quality candidates and potential safety issues and later costs of upgrades.”
Till you go blue in the face.
Qantas Management don’t give a siht about the employees, you could
“Explain the financial burdens, lowered morale, smaller choice of quality candidates and potential safety issues and later costs of upgrades.”
Till you go blue in the face.
