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Mr.Buzzy, sorry for the delay but been busy in the box for a cupla days. I will bring some Blue Rams and Yellow Stripy's round. We should flashup the BBQ with a King Brown or 5 very soon. Will call in when drivin past house of Trex soon. Cheers Norma.
OIC will see the folks for number and email soon, Burt.
OIC will see the folks for number and email soon, Burt.
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Reference page 1 quotes that QF will have pilots paying for endorsements, I spoke with a senior QF mate a while back, and he says that new starts will definitely be paying for their FIRST endorsemnt within the near future. The company will cover further training
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Yep, he is a mainline pilot and was talking about mainline entry.
We can thank VB for introducing that to Oz, unfortunately, or was it the personal deodorant company, Impulse? (Isn't that the last name you'd call an airline?? Not for the deodorant connotation, but the association between doing something on impulse and an airline operation)
Incidentally, pilots have been one of the few occupations where the employer pays for training if the applicant is not qualified.
If a law firm seeks a solicitor, or an engineering firm seeks an engineer, etc., with specific qualifications, that's what they want, not somebody who doesn't meet their requiremetns who they must upgrade at their expense.
I do know of cases where an applicant with less than desirable qualifications has been taken on but at a much reduced rate until he gets up to speed with the requirements.
I know it's a tradition that pilots join an airline and the airline pays for their training, and I don't disagree with that, but the times they are a changin'. We dont have to like it, but we are going to see more of it.
Even if QF had as its conditions a pilot must pay for his initial training and then work for nix for a year, they wouldn't run short of applicants.
We can thank VB for introducing that to Oz, unfortunately, or was it the personal deodorant company, Impulse? (Isn't that the last name you'd call an airline?? Not for the deodorant connotation, but the association between doing something on impulse and an airline operation)
Incidentally, pilots have been one of the few occupations where the employer pays for training if the applicant is not qualified.
If a law firm seeks a solicitor, or an engineering firm seeks an engineer, etc., with specific qualifications, that's what they want, not somebody who doesn't meet their requiremetns who they must upgrade at their expense.
I do know of cases where an applicant with less than desirable qualifications has been taken on but at a much reduced rate until he gets up to speed with the requirements.
I know it's a tradition that pilots join an airline and the airline pays for their training, and I don't disagree with that, but the times they are a changin'. We dont have to like it, but we are going to see more of it.
Even if QF had as its conditions a pilot must pay for his initial training and then work for nix for a year, they wouldn't run short of applicants.
I spoke with a senior QF mate a while back, and he says that new starts will definitely be paying for their FIRST endorsemnt within the near future.
Perhaps just speculation based on what is happening in regionals.
Paying for your endorsement will certainly reduce the so called holdfile!
Relax,
Yeh, but those blood-suckers you mention have most of their uni course (and for the special qual) paid for by you and I and then get to pay it back at their leisure via HECS. It wouldn't be so bad for us if we could do the same. But $100k up-front for flying training, then another 30k for endorsement, sucks.
And I wonder how many "special quals" cost $30k upfront?
If a law firm seeks a solicitor, or an engineering firm seeks an engineer, etc., with specific qualifications, that's what they want, not somebody who doesn't meet their requirements who they must upgrade at their expense.
And I wonder how many "special quals" cost $30k upfront?
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Capn Bloggs,
I understand what you say, but as you correctly state, graduates pay for their degrees these days; not the total cost I admit, but significantly more than they did some years ago.
I believe a law degree is up there with medicine at about 50,000 pa, and over four or five years, that is more than a pilot pays for his training. ,Arts is the lowest cost, and it goes up from there.
Don't forget that many graduates will never earn what a 747 Capt earns, or even a 737 Capt for that matter, even one flying for VB.
A first year solicitor is paid well under 30,000 pa. A GP at a dawn to dusk clinic is on about 80,000, no more, and they cover their own professional negligence insurance which is close to 10. Those figures come from my cousin who is a GP.
The only GP's making money these days are the ones who own the clinics and employ others, but then they become businessmen.
Capt Fathom, the time frame my friend mentioned was in the 'near future' or as the Americans would say, 'any time soon'.
Don't you just hate the way yanks make words.
I'll say it again, Even if QF had as its conditions a pilot must pay for his initial training and then work for nix for a year, they wouldn't run short of applicants
And as I said earlier, you don't have to like it, but it's happening.
I understand what you say, but as you correctly state, graduates pay for their degrees these days; not the total cost I admit, but significantly more than they did some years ago.
I believe a law degree is up there with medicine at about 50,000 pa, and over four or five years, that is more than a pilot pays for his training. ,Arts is the lowest cost, and it goes up from there.
Don't forget that many graduates will never earn what a 747 Capt earns, or even a 737 Capt for that matter, even one flying for VB.
A first year solicitor is paid well under 30,000 pa. A GP at a dawn to dusk clinic is on about 80,000, no more, and they cover their own professional negligence insurance which is close to 10. Those figures come from my cousin who is a GP.
The only GP's making money these days are the ones who own the clinics and employ others, but then they become businessmen.
Capt Fathom, the time frame my friend mentioned was in the 'near future' or as the Americans would say, 'any time soon'.
Don't you just hate the way yanks make words.
I'll say it again, Even if QF had as its conditions a pilot must pay for his initial training and then work for nix for a year, they wouldn't run short of applicants
And as I said earlier, you don't have to like it, but it's happening.
Oh those poor Doctors and legal sharks.
If I do IFR training a instructor with an ATPL will cost $40 an hour, my legal advise cost me $260 an hour from a zit faced 21yo who says,,, I will have to get back to you on that,,,,. Hey Doc, fix me up and send me home for $40hr.
Look, does QantasLink still ask for cash upfront to get paid peanuts?
If I do IFR training a instructor with an ATPL will cost $40 an hour, my legal advise cost me $260 an hour from a zit faced 21yo who says,,, I will have to get back to you on that,,,,. Hey Doc, fix me up and send me home for $40hr.
Look, does QantasLink still ask for cash upfront to get paid peanuts?
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Ejector, you've asked the question yet again, and the answer is YES. As to the part concerning peanuts, well I guess that's relative. Ask some poor sod on way less than GA Award, and he'd probably tell you that a Dash-8 F/O salary equates to Christmas - a few times over!
Oh the sad and sorry lot of a pilot... Reminds me of someone on this bulletin board who used to tag their posts with a signature that cracked me up, either because it was funny or because of the pathetic irony of it - probably both......... "I'm too embarrassed to tell my mum I'm a pilot; she still thinks I play piano in a whorehouse."
Oh the sad and sorry lot of a pilot... Reminds me of someone on this bulletin board who used to tag their posts with a signature that cracked me up, either because it was funny or because of the pathetic irony of it - probably both......... "I'm too embarrassed to tell my mum I'm a pilot; she still thinks I play piano in a whorehouse."
