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belowMDA - good luck with the NSN interview or any other that you think are "just friendly chats". Anyone who thinks they're not being assessed continuously at any interview process is assured of coming unstuck.
"What do you mean the Cathay cocktail party isn't just a cocktail party!!?"
Ask someone you know who's had an interview with them if they thought getting p!ssed on all the free booze was a good idea since it was "just a friendly chat".
A couple of questions for you:
Does it cost more to hire a suit for....say 3-4 days than it does for 2 or 3?(assuming travel to & from interview)
Will it be "only" 40 minutes if you get all the questions wrong?
By the way, you'll only get your suit hire back if you pass the interview and the salary(check spelling splat
)difference is more like $3500pa rather than "almost twice"
Thump
ps: Don't apply to QANTAS - they make you pay for the interview for God's sake!! The rotters!!
"What do you mean the Cathay cocktail party isn't just a cocktail party!!?"
Ask someone you know who's had an interview with them if they thought getting p!ssed on all the free booze was a good idea since it was "just a friendly chat".
A couple of questions for you:
Does it cost more to hire a suit for....say 3-4 days than it does for 2 or 3?(assuming travel to & from interview)
Will it be "only" 40 minutes if you get all the questions wrong?
By the way, you'll only get your suit hire back if you pass the interview and the salary(check spelling splat
)difference is more like $3500pa rather than "almost twice"Thump
ps: Don't apply to QANTAS - they make you pay for the interview for God's sake!! The rotters!!
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From my understanding of the latest recruits for Eagle, they are still finding people with High-med time/min multi. Haven't seen a newbie with min total/min multi yet, but assume it will hit the jungle drums when it does.
All I can say to regional wannabes in NZ is....
It won't happen over night...... but it will happen.
If you are familiar with company recruiting processes and you want a go, then be prepared. Have some leave up your sleave ( for the interview and ground course if successful), coin for a suit, haircut etc. I hired a suit for $95 dollars. Picked it up Tues, returned it Mon. Nothing extra for the extra days.
If you are not happy about the process and don't want to work for that company then flag it!! Don't be a hypocrite .
As far as Eagle's process being "rigourous", it's not.
Half hour one day - essentialy to show you can fly an NDB (historical problems from previous recurits they are trying to reduce with future ones)
1 hr another - The interview you would expect from any company, which does focus on your Aviation knowledge
5 hr group discussions the next - An exercise to see how you get on with others, communicate - wether you stand your ground on an issue, or wether you let all opinions be heard and let the discussion flow wether you agree with someone or not. When it's your turn to lead a discussion on a randomly chosen aviation topic - you don't have to be the all knowing guru of your given topic, you just have to "lead" the discussion, encourage others to voice their views, ask for differing opinions etc.
Sure it's stressful when you are participating but take each step at a time and you could potentially enjoy it, maybe even learn something!!
Those who go into an interview postive, prepared and wanting the job will generally get through.
That's my ten cents worth.
S2K
All I can say to regional wannabes in NZ is....
It won't happen over night...... but it will happen.
If you are familiar with company recruiting processes and you want a go, then be prepared. Have some leave up your sleave ( for the interview and ground course if successful), coin for a suit, haircut etc. I hired a suit for $95 dollars. Picked it up Tues, returned it Mon. Nothing extra for the extra days.
If you are not happy about the process and don't want to work for that company then flag it!! Don't be a hypocrite .
As far as Eagle's process being "rigourous", it's not.
Half hour one day - essentialy to show you can fly an NDB (historical problems from previous recurits they are trying to reduce with future ones)
1 hr another - The interview you would expect from any company, which does focus on your Aviation knowledge
5 hr group discussions the next - An exercise to see how you get on with others, communicate - wether you stand your ground on an issue, or wether you let all opinions be heard and let the discussion flow wether you agree with someone or not. When it's your turn to lead a discussion on a randomly chosen aviation topic - you don't have to be the all knowing guru of your given topic, you just have to "lead" the discussion, encourage others to voice their views, ask for differing opinions etc.
Sure it's stressful when you are participating but take each step at a time and you could potentially enjoy it, maybe even learn something!!
Those who go into an interview postive, prepared and wanting the job will generally get through.
That's my ten cents worth.
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Ain't it funny how some people have been 'lost' in the hold... have turned the wrong way... have basically f
d the sim up and still got in. 
Maybe they just kissed good a
ss in the interview!!!! 
Ain't it funny how some people have been 'lost' in the hold... have turned the wrong way... have basically f
d the sim up and still got in. Maybe they just kissed good a
ss in the interview!!!!
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Care to name them incidentreport? Or even tell us how many?
Me thinks you're just bagging Eagle 'cause it's the "cool" or "in" thing to do this week. Next week it'll be someone else, do you want to let us know in advance so the rest of us can be "cool" too?
Good luck with Origin Mortgages
Thump
Me thinks you're just bagging Eagle 'cause it's the "cool" or "in" thing to do this week. Next week it'll be someone else, do you want to let us know in advance so the rest of us can be "cool" too?
Good luck with Origin Mortgages
Thump
Thump: while it is patently obvious that the interview is more than just a friendly chat (hence being called an interview rather than a natter), they make you relax, be yourself, share jokes with you and treat you with respect. I walked away from it and thought, Hey I actually enjoyed that, they're good blokes! And how about that; after our freindly chat they invited me to join their airline!
I do admit I got the figures wrong on the salary for which I humbly apologise. Having said that, the pay rise will take effect shortly!! Bloody marvelous!
I do admit I got the figures wrong on the salary for which I humbly apologise. Having said that, the pay rise will take effect shortly!! Bloody marvelous!
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Thumb...
Do you want to be on my lolly pop list too?? Calm down boy!!!
I can name two off the top of my head... wouldn't take long to ask around and find more... I could name them but we both know that would open a whole different bag of worms.
And as for:
Have you been asleep for the last couple of years?? Eagle have been getting bagged for years mate!!!! Not just this week.
And as for your last comment... if directed at me implies that I work for Origin... Wrong again!!!!
Thumb.. are you a captain at Eagle?
if so... may only have to have a look to your right
Do you want to be on my lolly pop list too?? Calm down boy!!!
I can name two off the top of my head... wouldn't take long to ask around and find more... I could name them but we both know that would open a whole different bag of worms.
And as for:
you're just bagging Eagle 'cause it's the "cool" or "in" thing to do this week
And as for your last comment... if directed at me implies that I work for Origin... Wrong again!!!!
Thumb.. are you a captain at Eagle?
if so... may only have to have a look to your right
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Thump - practise what you preach dude. Dont you think its funny how alot of people bag it?
Eagle are Known for rejecting good people but the way things are going the tables are slowly turning in the pilots favour. As for origin, they have told all current crew what the plans are for upgrades and will be calling any new crew over the next week.
Eagle are Known for rejecting good people but the way things are going the tables are slowly turning in the pilots favour. As for origin, they have told all current crew what the plans are for upgrades and will be calling any new crew over the next week.
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So you like bagging the company that puts food on your table????????
I admit we all have a bi h occasionally, but perhaps you shouldn't be there if you really have that many problems
So lets sum it all up.
Which comapny has the highest turn over rate from F/O to Capt = EAG
Which company has the highest progression to jets (AIRNZ, CX ect) = EAG
Which company has the lowest pay = EAG
If you want to stay in props for 5-8 years before moving on (theres nothing wrong with this) = NSN
Which company has good pay but your in props for the long haul = COOK
My point is all companies have there good and bad points and if the company you work for is not wright for you, simply move.
Nobody will think any less of you for making a move to keep yourself happy.
splat
So you like bagging the company that puts food on your table????????
I admit we all have a bi
h occasionally, but perhaps you shouldn't be there if you really have that many problems So lets sum it all up.
Which comapny has the highest turn over rate from F/O to Capt = EAG
Which company has the highest progression to jets (AIRNZ, CX ect) = EAG
Which company has the lowest pay = EAG
If you want to stay in props for 5-8 years before moving on (theres nothing wrong with this) = NSN
Which company has good pay but your in props for the long haul = COOK
My point is all companies have there good and bad points and if the company you work for is not wright for you, simply move.
Nobody will think any less of you for making a move to keep yourself happy.
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Hey incidentreport, nice to hear back from you and by the way perfectly calm thanks - you'll probably notice from any of my posts I tend to deal with facts not urban legends.
As for the lollypop list, don't bother I have no requirement to have something in my mouth to feel good about myself.
Feel free to PM me with alledged sim failures (FACTS, not what the senior B-Cat at 'ABC' flying school heard from the brother of a guy who missed out whilst they were both on a charter to deepest darkest Hokitika!) - I wouldn't want to open that can of worms publically either.
Hmmm....asleep for a couple of years, I wish!
From memory, no-one bothered bagging Eagle when they flew Bandits - they just accepted that Eagle was the starting point for turbine RPT in NZ and got on with it. At that time Air NSN were able to ask for much higher time guys and as a general rule didn't take too many GA guys.
The bagging phase has been somewhat shorter than years friend, only with the intro of the contentious 3 day interview have people jumped on the "it's cool to bag Eagle bus".
Are you sure you've been around for years???
Sorry for the confusion re the Origin comment, clearly if you worked there you would be aware of their robust candidate selection criteria and interview process and would have no problem with networking (read ar$e-kissing as you so politely put it ). No such implication was meant.
As for your last comment - WRONG again!! If I look to the right all I see is blue sky and the nacelle of a TPE-331.
Or I could be the guy that does the sim evals.Work that one out.
BelowMDA - a good time to be staring with Air NSN - new type, more money, sounds like the guys worked pretty hard to reach agreement.
I'm surprised to hear your Eagle interview was conducted without respect & in a less than friendly atmosphere - that is disappointing.
I thought Eagle always asked for a joke?
I agree that ideally you want to walk away feeling like you're going to work with a good bunch of guys - sounds like you made the right choice. Must be your shout since you're the rich one.
Thump
As for the lollypop list, don't bother I have no requirement to have something in my mouth to feel good about myself.
Feel free to PM me with alledged sim failures (FACTS, not what the senior B-Cat at 'ABC' flying school heard from the brother of a guy who missed out whilst they were both on a charter to deepest darkest Hokitika!) - I wouldn't want to open that can of worms publically either.
Hmmm....asleep for a couple of years, I wish!
From memory, no-one bothered bagging Eagle when they flew Bandits - they just accepted that Eagle was the starting point for turbine RPT in NZ and got on with it. At that time Air NSN were able to ask for much higher time guys and as a general rule didn't take too many GA guys.
The bagging phase has been somewhat shorter than years friend, only with the intro of the contentious 3 day interview have people jumped on the "it's cool to bag Eagle bus".
Are you sure you've been around for years???
Sorry for the confusion re the Origin comment, clearly if you worked there you would be aware of their robust candidate selection criteria and interview process and would have no problem with networking (read ar$e-kissing as you so politely put it
). No such implication was meant.As for your last comment - WRONG again!! If I look to the right all I see is blue sky and the nacelle of a TPE-331.
Or I could be the guy that does the sim evals.Work that one out.
BelowMDA - a good time to be staring with Air NSN - new type, more money, sounds like the guys worked pretty hard to reach agreement.
I'm surprised to hear your Eagle interview was conducted without respect & in a less than friendly atmosphere - that is disappointing.
I thought Eagle always asked for a joke?I agree that ideally you want to walk away feeling like you're going to work with a good bunch of guys - sounds like you made the right choice. Must be your shout since you're the rich one.
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An interview is an interview.
Be prepared and do some study before hand so that you don't look like a D!CK.
1. Look presentable - Suit or not? Doesn't matter I didn't. Look presentable. Shirt and tie - tucked in and looking neat.
Appearance is everything for a start. You don't see shabby pilots do you? Well mostly all of them.
2. Prepare you CV and have current log book and hours up to date. Results of ATPLs (If you have them - doesn't matter if you don't have any, just say you're doing the study for them at the moment)
CV, references, exam results and anything important - get a photocopy for them so that you can leave them a copy.
3. Study. Get the history on Eagle (just an overview), how many pilots, how many planes, where they fly to, GM etc.
The plane you fly, know it. They genreally ask about it. Where you fly etc....
4. Techie questions - if you look through previous threads on Pprune you will find most of the questions for their tech quiz. Not too hard but doo the study.
In the interview if you don't know something say you don't know. Or say I don't know but could give my best guess and the reasons behind it. If you're going to lie to them they will know and just let you talk away until you completely stuff up.
They're not there to trap you but they will let you dig yourself a hole if you want.
Have a good couple of questions for them. Good questions. Interesting questions that they themselves have to think over.
ie. "You guys have obviously been in the same place I am right now getting interviewed, how did you react to the questions?"
or
"What are Eagle looking for in an interview, what sort of pilot do you want?"
Hard to point questions but not over the top and certainly ones to make them think. Worker for a friend of mine.
4. Equiette (sp?) Don't lie, don't be an arse, don't be too pushy. Sure you want to sell yourself but coming across as a used car sales man, wouldn't do the trick.
Smile and keep eye contact. If nervous a few deep breaths, drink a little of the water. Don't gulp it down. Say to them "Look I'm a bit nervous at the moment sitting in the hot seat but I hope you understand"
When answering their questions look them in the eye and talk to both of them. Don't fixate on one person.
At the end shake their hands and thank them for their time.
If and when you find out send a followup note to thank them. Successful or not this leaves a good impression with them. Spell check it.
I should really spell check this response
As regards times. It would be great to see people coming in with 1000TT and 500 multi but in reality at the moment. 100 multi and 500-800TT. Not too sure if this is realistic or not but show them you're keen.
Eagle is the start on a busy career. From Eagle you can go places. Whether it be 1 year to 5 years with Eagle look upon it as a learning experience for greater things.
Take away the things you want from this response. Don't dwell on the negative sides with the company. All companys have negative sides to them. All have good sides to them also.
Eagle salary is not the greatest but it is a company that can lead you onto other better companies.
Sectre Fidem.
Be prepared and do some study before hand so that you don't look like a D!CK.
1. Look presentable - Suit or not? Doesn't matter I didn't. Look presentable. Shirt and tie - tucked in and looking neat.
Appearance is everything for a start. You don't see shabby pilots do you? Well mostly all of them.
2. Prepare you CV and have current log book and hours up to date. Results of ATPLs (If you have them - doesn't matter if you don't have any, just say you're doing the study for them at the moment)
CV, references, exam results and anything important - get a photocopy for them so that you can leave them a copy.
3. Study. Get the history on Eagle (just an overview), how many pilots, how many planes, where they fly to, GM etc.
The plane you fly, know it. They genreally ask about it. Where you fly etc....
4. Techie questions - if you look through previous threads on Pprune you will find most of the questions for their tech quiz. Not too hard but doo the study.
In the interview if you don't know something say you don't know. Or say I don't know but could give my best guess and the reasons behind it. If you're going to lie to them they will know and just let you talk away until you completely stuff up.
They're not there to trap you but they will let you dig yourself a hole if you want.
Have a good couple of questions for them. Good questions. Interesting questions that they themselves have to think over.
ie. "You guys have obviously been in the same place I am right now getting interviewed, how did you react to the questions?"
or
"What are Eagle looking for in an interview, what sort of pilot do you want?"
Hard to point questions but not over the top and certainly ones to make them think. Worker for a friend of mine.
4. Equiette (sp?) Don't lie, don't be an arse, don't be too pushy. Sure you want to sell yourself but coming across as a used car sales man, wouldn't do the trick.
Smile and keep eye contact. If nervous a few deep breaths, drink a little of the water. Don't gulp it down. Say to them "Look I'm a bit nervous at the moment sitting in the hot seat but I hope you understand"
When answering their questions look them in the eye and talk to both of them. Don't fixate on one person.
At the end shake their hands and thank them for their time.
If and when you find out send a followup note to thank them. Successful or not this leaves a good impression with them. Spell check it.
I should really spell check this response
As regards times. It would be great to see people coming in with 1000TT and 500 multi but in reality at the moment. 100 multi and 500-800TT. Not too sure if this is realistic or not but show them you're keen.
Eagle is the start on a busy career. From Eagle you can go places. Whether it be 1 year to 5 years with Eagle look upon it as a learning experience for greater things.
Take away the things you want from this response. Don't dwell on the negative sides with the company. All companys have negative sides to them. All have good sides to them also.
Eagle salary is not the greatest but it is a company that can lead you onto other better companies.
Sectre Fidem.
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Please let me interrupt for second and then you guys can get back to spanking yourselves silly over whatever airline you work for.
The fact of the matter is that most GA pilots will take whatever turbine job they are offered first, that’s what I did and I’m having fun.
In saying that I have started to notice a certain reluctance among some pilots to work for Eagle, to the point where some GA pilots are not even applying for Eagle.
Is there any truth to the rumour that a senior Eagle Manger walked into a ground school and said “You are the best of a bad lot” if so then I would not want to work for a company that welcomed it’s pilots to the company in that fashion. Not very polite if you ask me. Perhaps that is why he can only get “bad” pilots applying to his airline? Maybe they have heard rumours like this?
While we are on the Eagle topic, what is with certain Eagle pilots being the self designated “Airport police” and using “smart” remarks on the radio at unattended airports around the country? How about a little professionalism from you big professional turbine drivers.
I have been out of GA for a few years now and surprisingly enough have never had a smart remark directed at me from an Eagle aircraft, however it was a semi regular occurrence for me and my workmates when we were flying light aircraft.
Isn’t that what the schoolyard bully does? The bully takes the Mickey or picks on the little guy to inflate his own ego in front of others. I feel sorry for these people, obviously they do not have enough to do in their own aircraft so they have to watch and critique others, whatever happened to minding your own business? How about a little manners chaps? Please?
If you have a serious concern about operation of another aircraft then there are proper channels to use, please use them if you feel so strongly, or is it perhaps only you that has the problem……
Would you have the same smart remark to make to a jet on approach to AA/WN/CH?
And as for senior Eagle captains ringing GA pilots up after hours to reprimand them for the way they operate their aircraft and threatening them with damage to their career. Shame on you. You Bully. You know who you are. Shame. What are you thinking?
As for recruiting methods Eagle has theirs and other airlines have their own, each airline uses what works for them. It’s their sandpit and Tonka toys, get over it. If you don’t like the sound of it then don’t apply or withdraw your application.
The industry is moving at the moment so if you are a lucky person you will be able to pick and choose to a certain degree. Pick the airline that you want to fly for, research the process, do the study and get in there. Go hard, good luck, sell yourself.
Take it easy people it’s just a job, what gets done on the weekends is what counts.
I’m of fishing Please continue whacking off in my absence.
Peace
The fact of the matter is that most GA pilots will take whatever turbine job they are offered first, that’s what I did and I’m having fun.
In saying that I have started to notice a certain reluctance among some pilots to work for Eagle, to the point where some GA pilots are not even applying for Eagle.
Is there any truth to the rumour that a senior Eagle Manger walked into a ground school and said “You are the best of a bad lot” if so then I would not want to work for a company that welcomed it’s pilots to the company in that fashion. Not very polite if you ask me. Perhaps that is why he can only get “bad” pilots applying to his airline? Maybe they have heard rumours like this?
While we are on the Eagle topic, what is with certain Eagle pilots being the self designated “Airport police” and using “smart” remarks on the radio at unattended airports around the country? How about a little professionalism from you big professional turbine drivers.
I have been out of GA for a few years now and surprisingly enough have never had a smart remark directed at me from an Eagle aircraft, however it was a semi regular occurrence for me and my workmates when we were flying light aircraft.
Isn’t that what the schoolyard bully does? The bully takes the Mickey or picks on the little guy to inflate his own ego in front of others. I feel sorry for these people, obviously they do not have enough to do in their own aircraft so they have to watch and critique others, whatever happened to minding your own business? How about a little manners chaps? Please?
If you have a serious concern about operation of another aircraft then there are proper channels to use, please use them if you feel so strongly, or is it perhaps only you that has the problem……
Would you have the same smart remark to make to a jet on approach to AA/WN/CH?
And as for senior Eagle captains ringing GA pilots up after hours to reprimand them for the way they operate their aircraft and threatening them with damage to their career. Shame on you. You Bully. You know who you are. Shame. What are you thinking?
As for recruiting methods Eagle has theirs and other airlines have their own, each airline uses what works for them. It’s their sandpit and Tonka toys, get over it. If you don’t like the sound of it then don’t apply or withdraw your application.
The industry is moving at the moment so if you are a lucky person you will be able to pick and choose to a certain degree. Pick the airline that you want to fly for, research the process, do the study and get in there. Go hard, good luck, sell yourself.
Take it easy people it’s just a job, what gets done on the weekends is what counts.
I’m of fishing Please continue whacking off in my absence.
Peace
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Whack whack whack
Far enough well put.................................
Can only say I have heard of one of the above issues.
Remember there are always some di kheads in every company you work for. One should never judge a company or its people by what the few do.
splat
PS. If you just sit back and enjoy your flying these so called unprofesional pilots will never worry you.
enjoy
Far enough well put.................................
Can only say I have heard of one of the above issues.
Remember there are always some di
kheads in every company you work for. One should never judge a company or its people by what the few do.splat
PS. If you just sit back and enjoy your flying these so called unprofesional pilots will never worry you.
enjoy